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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Sep 11 10:04:23 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Sep 9 08:37:30 2011. Nice catch!! :-) |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 11 10:15:06 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Lance52 on Sun Sep 11 08:12:32 2011. Converted how ? Stripping end cars to be intermediate cars to reconfigure as 6 car sets ? |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 12 14:40:43 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 11 10:15:06 2011. No. The R-188 cars will be inserted in intermediate positions in the selected 5 car units to make them into 6 car units. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 12 14:49:04 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Sep 10 04:09:52 2011. There was a thread here recently that indicated that the MTA is considering retrofitting all roll sign equipped cars with the possible exception of the R-32s with LED signs to expedite sign changing at terminals. Whether they will be the simpler R-46 type that merely displays route, train classification and destination inside the car or will include FIND wasn't made clear. It may depend on which type the MTA finds cheaper to install. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 12 16:54:51 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 12 14:40:43 2011. Oh. I thought the R188's were to be 2 * 11 car trains, plus a 23rd cars to make an R142 11 cars. |
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Posted by Widecab5 on Tue Sep 13 20:18:27 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 12 16:54:51 2011. All:AFIAK, so far the entire R-188 contract still consists of just three 11-car pilot trains, one of 10 rebuilt R-142A's (7211-7220) plus one new "B" car (I believe to be 7921). Also two entirely new 11-car trains of one 5-car and one 6-car set. These will be equipped with CBTC. There is no funding as yet for the balance of this order so it is all "on hold" until the money becomes available to acquire the balance of a proposed 506 cars for the 7 line. Another problem is funding the actual CBTC installation on the 7 line. I believe they have a contractor for system design, but I am unsure if physical plant work has actually begun. Either way, it will also require hundreds of million$ that MTA may not as yet have, and would probably take 2-3 years of service disruptions to complete. One phrase I have heard passed around as a joke in this regard is: "CBTC = Catch Bus To Corona..." Perhaps someone out there has more recent information in this regard to share, but 33 cars is all there is to this (so far) as I understand things. The 10-car test train is supposed to identify potential operational issues regarding the use of R-142A's (plus one) on the 7 line prior to delivery of the first pilot train at the end of 2011 or early in 2012. This set will be permanently assigned to Corona. Barring the unexpected it seems that the Javits extension, when opened, will be getting plain old block signals and using the R-62As (pilot trains aside). Regards, George Chiasson Jr. (Widecab5@aol.com) |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 14 16:56:45 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Widecab5 on Tue Sep 13 20:18:27 2011. I thought is was just 23 new cars + 10 rebuilds:2 * 5, 2 * 6, 1, upgrade 2 * 5 R142 to R188 |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 14 17:15:18 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Widecab5 on Tue Sep 13 20:18:27 2011. Are those the 10 R142's that will be converted into R188's ? |
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Posted by joe c on Wed Sep 14 19:26:06 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 14 17:15:18 2011. Those 10 R142A cars are just gonna be equipped with CBTC.they arn't gonna be converted into R188's.til next time |
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Posted by Widecab5 on Wed Sep 14 19:48:09 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 14 16:56:45 2011. That's the same math that I have.And yes, the outright "conversion" of R-142A's to R-188's was forsaken to cut projected costs even more, but they will be equipped with CBTC THROUGH the R-188 Contract. I am not sure if that means there will be some kind of re-classification as a result (say an R-142C?). It's all a sign of the times, but bottom line is I wouldn't be waiting for that first R-62A train at Pelham Bay Park or Flatbush Ave. anytime soon. Regards, George Chiasson Jr. (Widecab5@aol.com) |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 14 19:57:42 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Widecab5 on Wed Sep 14 19:48:09 2011. < I wouldn't be waiting for that first R-62A train at Pelham Bay Park or Flatbush Ave. anytime soon.>It will be politically difficult to replace NTT trains with dingy SMEE cars from the 1980's on any of the main lines routes. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 14 19:58:36 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by joe c on Wed Sep 14 19:26:06 2011. Surprised they didn't take a numerically sequential 10 cars. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 14 20:40:41 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Widecab5 on Wed Sep 14 19:48:09 2011. Now I finally understand . |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 14 20:46:35 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 14 19:57:42 2011. I've been saying that all along. The politicians will be screaming. A sort of NIMBYism. "Put them somewhere else but not on my line."The best place for them would be on line 5. Of course, the number of cars needed could be adjusted, if some cars are left over no problem on putting them on another line. But since E.180th is the barn for the 5 line and the newest in the IRT and a showcase barn, I would think NYCT politics would dictate R142's to say on the 5. No rush, it will be several years and more than one NYCT administration down the road who will have to deal with who gets the current Corona fleet. A currently unknown group of passengers will be pissed then. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 14 20:50:27 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 14 19:58:36 2011. True.Maybe they're bad performers so some suit decided that this would be the best way to "fix" them. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 15 03:19:42 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 14 19:57:42 2011. It didn't seem any different to the jamaica people in the 1970s when the R-27/30s were replaced by R-9s due to the swapping of the M and J(QJ) on the Southern Division. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 15 11:40:45 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 15 03:19:42 2011. oh..it made an impact. my pops complained plenty..operating them for those few months before his issues the R44's put him off the railroad for good. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 15 11:52:16 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Sep 10 09:19:13 2011. They could in fact replace the R142 cars TRANSFERED FROM the 2/5 lines to the 6,who's R142A cars are going to the 7.Anyone with common sense knows they couldnt replace the entire fleet car to car ratio with the 62a from Corona.. didnt you know that? |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 15 13:17:32 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 15 11:52:16 2011. I did. Whoever told you the 62As are going to the 2/5 lines apparently doesn't know that. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 15 13:23:47 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 15 11:52:16 2011. What's common sense is that a two-way fleet swap is preferable over a three-way fleet swap. Therefore, it's common sense to keep the R142s on the 2 and 5 lines right where they are. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 15 16:52:32 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 15 03:19:42 2011. Bad analogy. The TA didn't give a flying shit about the Eastern Division in those days.Don't compare Jamaica thru Woodhaven in those days with Pelham Bay Park and Co-Op city today. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 15 16:54:24 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 14 20:46:35 2011. Or else they really need to clean-up those R62's, starting with ripping down the yellowed, back lit lighting. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 15 17:00:22 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 15 11:52:16 2011. Absent a 500-car order, there will be no swapping of the mainline & Corona fleets. Even the R179 won't be here for another 5 years. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 15 18:23:47 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 15 13:23:47 2011. noy if those eastsiders start crying the blues about their "new cars being replaced with old junk.."I actually heard someone say that TODAY at while waiting at 51st...[spoiled pampered whiner..LOL!] |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 15 20:03:03 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 15 18:23:47 2011. "noy if those eastsiders start crying the blues about their "new cars being replaced with old junk.."Too bad for them! You don't hear West Siders complaining about not getting the R142s on the 1 line. The R62As, along with the much older Redbirds, ran on the the 6 for so many years and no one complained then. They also dealt with graffiti'ed up SMEE cars for years. I keep asking, what is so different now that they would complain about subway cars they already had? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 16 00:37:16 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 15 20:03:03 2011. and I keep saying..Spoiled brats..! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 16 04:25:22 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 15 20:03:03 2011. The point is if a line currently has R142's and they are replaced by R62A's they'll bitch. Since the #1 never had R142's they're not going to bitch about equipment. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 16 07:02:53 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 15 20:03:03 2011. You don't hear West Siders complaining about not getting the R142s on the 1 line. You may start considering how bad the A/C has been all summer on the R-62A cars... |
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Posted by merrick1 on Fri Sep 16 17:36:41 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 15 20:03:03 2011. How about mixing it up? When I lived in Astoria in the 1990's I liked the fact that almost anything might show up on the N train. |
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Posted by 7 Local on Fri Sep 16 17:47:22 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 16 07:02:53 2011. Really? The 62As on the 7 have been pretty good this past summer, aside from one or two hot cars. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 16 18:39:39 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by 7 Local on Fri Sep 16 17:47:22 2011. The operating enviornment is much much different for the R62A's on the 7 vs. the 1. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 17 04:20:53 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by merrick1 on Fri Sep 16 17:36:41 2011. stop trying to explain it to him. he'll never get it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Sep 22 23:12:58 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by 7 Local on Fri Sep 16 17:47:22 2011. Yes, really. It's been really really bad. I'd say that on at least 15% to 35% of the 1 trains I've been on, the car I initially boarded was a HOT car. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Thu Sep 22 23:18:04 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Widecab5 on Tue Sep 13 20:18:27 2011. The 10-car test train is supposed to identify potential operational issues regarding the use of R-142A's (plus one) on the 7 line prior to delivery of the first pilot train at the end of 2011 or early in 2012. This set will be permanently assigned to Corona.So you believe this set will remain at Corona Yard for the forseeable future, and at some point receive an 11th car so it can run in passenger service? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 23 04:39:37 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Sep 22 23:12:58 2011. That has always been my issue with linked 4 or 5 car units. If one car is bad, be it dead motor, faulty air conditioning or whatever so many times they run the car anyway. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Sep 23 04:58:24 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 23 04:39:37 2011. In DC, they can lock out a hot car or a car with a minor enough of a defect such that passengers shouldn't be in that car but they can keep the train in service. After all IMO, better to have 5 out of 6 or 7 out of 8 cars on a train available as opposed to zero. I take it that can't be done in New York? |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Fri Sep 23 09:05:22 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by G1Ravage on Thu Sep 22 23:18:04 2011. IIRC, didn't they do this once before and the problems they discovered were the reason why the line did not get any of these cars when the Redbirds were retired ? |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 23 15:38:00 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by Mr. D - Type on Fri Sep 23 09:05:22 2011. The reason that the line didn't get any of these cars is because there were no cars available to make any of them into 6 car sets for the 11 car trains that the line requires. When the car order for additional cars to make such sets is finally decided on and delivered, then the NTTs can be transferred to the Flushing Line. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Sep 23 17:21:31 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Sep 23 04:58:24 2011. A while ago, I spotted an A train of R32 cars that had only nine cars carrying passengers. The tenth car was not only empty, but the doors didn't open when the doors on the other nine did.IIRC, it was the day that it hit 104°F in NY. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 24 23:03:28 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Sep 23 04:58:24 2011. It increases station dwell time as passengers have to crowd into adjacent cars. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Sat Sep 24 23:07:55 2011, in response to Re: R-142A to Corona Yard, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Sep 23 04:58:24 2011. I remember 4 years ago I caught an R32 E Train where in the first car the lights where off, the doors didn't open, and a TA worker was gesturing for pax to take the car behind in in the set. |
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