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Re: LIRR Westbridge Station

Posted by NYRailman on Wed Jul 14 15:09:45 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Westbridge Station, posted by ntrainride on Tue Mar 2 15:39:23 2010.

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Wow, I wish you had photos that you could share!

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Re: LIRR Westbridge Station

Posted by NYRailman on Wed Jul 14 15:09:57 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Westbridge Station, posted by ntrainride on Tue Mar 2 15:39:23 2010.

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Cool, I wish you had photos that you could share!

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 14 17:02:41 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by NYRailman on Wed Jul 14 15:05:31 2010.

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There are hazards but it's not like you're walking through a minefield. I walked part of it in 10th grade alone (in a private school uniform carrying a camera, hardly the most nimble of attire), a year or two after one of the SubTalk walkabouts. Did a photo essay on it for English class, so it was all legit schoolwork:).

Unexpected hazards I remember:
-Yellowstone blvd overpass has no guardrails and the path of least resistance (less foliage) was near the edge. At the time, you could go down to street level, then come back up on the other side, so I did. Nowadays fencing might force you to have to traverse it.
-Several washed out sections where you have to tightrope on the rails (there were sometimes ties which helped keeping balance). You could also just go down then back up, but where's the fun in that.
-When you reach the LIRR Lower Montauk, the rails abruptly end with a 20 foot drop since the bridge was popped off (probably to make room for the C1s). The nearest safe exit at the time was Metropolitan ave, and having to double back was quite annoying with all the foliage. At least the Metrop. ave bridge has walls(ish).
-If you rejoin the route in Forest Park, I recommend avoiding the underpasses as they are very popular among the homeless. I felt the southern section was far more trouble than it was worth, so I didn't venture beyond that.

Other than the above the hazards are the same as if you're walking through the woods, so if you're an outdoors type it shouldn't be a problem. Just add in remembering to not trip on the rails, and use discretion when putting your weight on ties or the remains of the 3rd rail protection board.

As for trespassing: There was no patrolling at the time. You might get told to leave if a neighbor complains / sees you acting suspiciously, but that only will happen if you stay in one area too long. Lots of people used it as a 'shortcut' from A to B anyway.

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 14 17:11:27 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Jul 13 07:45:21 2010.

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I did it in the 80's many times, south of the now gone trestle over the lower Montauk.

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch extension from the Queens IND line

Posted by NYRailman on Wed Oct 20 16:42:00 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by NYRailman on Mon Jul 12 15:45:11 2010.

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I recently found out that the MTA sometime ago actually started construction on a cut-off from the E/F/R/M line from Queens Blvd to connect with the Old Rockaway Line (which I still think is a great idea). It's just outside of the 63rd Drive train station. On the Queens-bound side you can see where they cut out the wall to create a switch to the line going toward the LIRR. On the Manhattan-bound side you can again see where the tracks would make a switch onto the Queens Blvd line just before you hit the 63rd Drive station. For people traveling from the Rockaways it would shave a whole 45 minutes off of their trip to Midtown if they ever decided to go thru with it. I do know that the communities of Rego Park, Parkside, Woodhaven and Ozone Park probably wouldn't be thrilled at all about it if the city ever claimed eminent domain and took back the ROW to do just that. It would ease the overcrowded Transit system a bit if it did happen.

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by NYRailman on Wed Oct 20 16:44:33 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by Doctor B on Mon Jul 12 16:44:20 2010.

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Hey Doctor B, I'd love to take one of your tours. Are you planning on doing any in the future?

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch extension from the Queens IND line

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 20 17:42:56 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch extension from the Queens IND line, posted by NYRailman on Wed Oct 20 16:42:00 2010.

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The only construction that was done is turnouts within the width of the existing tunnel, which were built at the time the line was built, to ease construction in the future.

Thanks to such turnouts, connections to the 57th Street station, to the 63rd Street Tunnel from Broadway and the Archer Avenue Line from QB were easier to build (although in every one of those cases they were not built as the provisions intended).

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch extension from the Queens IND line

Posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 20 19:42:10 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch extension from the Queens IND line, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 20 17:42:56 2010.

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Were those apartment buildings in the way when the IND was being built ?

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch extension from the Queens IND line

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 20 19:44:04 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch extension from the Queens IND line, posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 20 19:42:10 2010.

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No, they were built after the IND.

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Re: LIRR Westbridge Station

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Oct 20 19:53:20 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Westbridge Station, posted by wwwd on Sun Feb 28 14:35:53 2010.

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I think it's probably just that it had a bridge and it was west of Jamaica. There is no likely London connection (there is a Westbridge Road in Battersea, but it is a relatively minor street).

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Re: Matawok Question (Re: LIRR Westbridge Station)

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Oct 20 19:57:27 2010, in response to Re: Matawok Question (Re: LIRR Westbridge Station), posted by Joe V on Mon Jul 12 18:43:51 2010.

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There was a Matawok Land Company. That does, however, only delay the etymology question. There are four plausible possibilities:
1) there was a place called Matawok;
2) "Matawok" means something in some Indian language or other (probably Lenape, but there's no knowing);
3) "Matawok" was made up to sound like an Indian word;
4) it's some sort of acronym.

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Re: LIRR Westbridge Station

Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Wed Oct 20 20:01:17 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Westbridge Station, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Mar 2 08:27:11 2010.

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A most interesting post!!! Its even better since i live very close to this area.Its amazing to think how many times i have driven/walked by there and no there is almost no clue it ever existed.If i am correct the Fence Company that is there today sits right near the old station.

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch extension from the Queens IND line

Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Oct 20 21:52:06 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch extension from the Queens IND line, posted by NYRailman on Wed Oct 20 16:42:00 2010.

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Eminent Domain is NOT required to use that ROW, the city has never "abandoned" it. It is only disused. The city owns the property, and can build upon it whenever they want, and any squatters will be shoved aside at their own peril.



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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch extension from the Queens IND line

Posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu Oct 21 11:11:40 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch extension from the Queens IND line, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 20 17:42:56 2010.

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wromg,wrong,wrong.the tunnels extend for over a train length down 66th.ave.there is track,3rd.rail&signals still in place on the lirr bound tunnel.a train used to be layed up on this tunnel before the ind was extended to kew gardens,the last stop being roosevelt ave.under the 4 track ROW is a single track tunnel,no tracks,lights,etc.I have been in it ,as several other posters here.it runs on an angle four about 200feet under the row& is stopped by a concrete wall on both ends. I have seen the as built blue prints showing the tunnel coming out at 63rd drive.I have posted on this many times.

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch extension from the Queens IND line

Posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu Oct 21 11:29:53 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch extension from the Queens IND line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Oct 20 19:44:04 2010.

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch extension from the Queens IND line

Posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu Oct 21 11:45:34 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch extension from the Queens IND line, posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu Oct 21 11:11:40 2010.

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Several other things about this tunnel.when I was a kid[11 or 12] I first noticed the pocket at 66th ave was OPEN,no concrete wall.there is an emergency exit where the tunnel first turns off.in the middle 1950`s at this exit was a big blue&white sign stating"motormen beware,dead end"when I started with the T.A.in 1964 I asked a signal maintainer who had started with the orignal IND about this & several other pockets around the system.he told me a train used to be stored in it.at 63rd.drive the structure at the end of the queensbound end was to be a tower& S/M`S quarters.It is unknown if any equipment was ever installed.He also worked pitkin yard&WAS in 76st several times.if any of the naysayers on this board say this ain`t so,KISS MY ASS!this is a verbal history of some parts of the system that have been lost to history.

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by R143 on Thu Oct 21 12:56:34 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by NYRailman on Mon Jul 12 15:45:11 2010.

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Send the M train or the R train from the Queens IND to Rockaway .

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Re: LIRR Westbridge Station

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 21 13:27:35 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Westbridge Station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 2 08:39:00 2010.

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Yeah..it was suppose to be a planned PARKWAY/EXPRESSWAY that was cancelled...only a very small section was ever constructed..an elevated section near Atlantic Avenue..

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch extension from the Queens IND line

Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Oct 21 13:49:58 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch extension from the Queens IND line, posted by NYRailman on Wed Oct 20 16:42:00 2010.

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I'd like to see the old Rockaway Branch connected into the Queens Blvd IND too. But that turnout connects only to the local tracks. If the R or M were extended out to the Rockaways, riders would transfer to the E or F at Roosevelt (or Woodhaven if it's converted to an express stop), thus making the E and F even more overcrowded than they already are.

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Re: LIRR Westbridge Station

Posted by Brighton Private on Thu Oct 21 14:01:24 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Westbridge Station, posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Tue Mar 2 08:54:24 2010.

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In that same photo, you can still see the ash dump, owned, I believe, by the Brooklyn Ash Removal Company, made famous by "The Great Gatsby" and eventually the location of the 1939 and 1964 World's Fairs and Flushing Meadow Park.

If you look closely at the ROW of the Bay Ridge Branch, you will see Brooklyn Ash Removal facilities at several points, where ash was collected and loaded on hopper cars for the trip to the dump. One of them is at the Vanderveer Yard, adjacent to the team tracks.

And while we're on the subject, check out Arrts-Arrchives for some amazing newly posted pictures of the electrification of the Bay Ridge Branch, the post-passenger service modifications of Manhattan Beach Junction, and its sad decline from a four-track line to its current state.

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 21 15:35:10 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by NYRailman on Wed Jul 14 14:45:58 2010.

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I would disagree about access from the Montauk Branch; the hill is too steep and covered in growth.

Good luck on your endeavor, it was a pain back in Spring '99 and it's probably a worse pain now.

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch extension from the Queens IND line

Posted by Randyo on Thu Oct 21 16:24:39 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch extension from the Queens IND line, posted by NYRailman on Wed Oct 20 16:42:00 2010.

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It was not the MTA, but the City of NY that built those bellmouths for eventual connection to the Rockaway Line long before either the MTA or the NYCTA was even though of and there are reports that the ends of those bellmouths are actually false walls and the tunnels from the IND actually extend all the way to the LIRR ROW. Until a few years ago, on the Jamaica bound side of the mezzanine of the 65 Station near the N/E stairways, there was tilework which said "To Jamaica and Rockaway" with the words "and Rockaway" painted over but still visible from the appropriate angle. I haven't been there in many years so I'm not sure if the tilework is still there or whether it has been covered over by one of those new MTA style enamel signs.

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 21 16:26:58 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by NYRailman on Wed Jul 14 14:45:58 2010.

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I took these photos back around 1993.....at the Woodhaven station. The second to last photo was a random photo along the ROW, and the very last one is a photo of the station when it was in use. It was easy to access the station back then, we just crawled in under the platform, onto the former trackbed, and then just jumped up on the platform. In the enclosure area, there were mattresses and debris like someone "lived" there, but no one was there.

It was also easy to get in by the LIRR Montauk branch, where the bridge used to be. But that was back then...I don't know about now. Also, either way, you should wait until after it freezes, the area around the Montauk Branch was infested with poison ivy. I assume that may still be the case:













Photo Below from 'Change at Ozone Park":


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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch extension from the Queens IND line

Posted by Randyo on Thu Oct 21 16:38:59 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch extension from the Queens IND line, posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu Oct 21 11:45:34 2010.

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I missed your post, but made reference to the status of the 63 Dr bellmouths and the tunnels behind the false wall in my post. I would tend to think that there may have been an interlocking machine installed in what was to be the tower room. Otherwise, unless there was a hand throw switch at that location, how would a train be laid up there? As an aside, there are spare levers on the Roosevelt Av board which were intended for the interlocking controlling the switches to the Winfield Cutoff and the switches, signals, trackways along with their associated switch and signal numbers are actually on the model board although painted over. If you look at the board in a certain light, you can easily see them. It is also known, that the SB ramp to/from the upper level had rail at one time and that track was used for layups when Roosevelt was the terminal. The present (if it hasn't been removed and replaced by new signaling) automatic signal D1-1415 N/O Roosevelt on the S/B lcl tk is actually a home signal with the lower lenses covered over by blanking plates like the kind used to cover over unused signal lenses on signals that don't display the full 3 aspects.

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by arnine on Thu Oct 21 16:40:26 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 21 16:26:58 2010.

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Wow, nice pics :)

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Re: LIRR Westbridge Station

Posted by Randyo on Thu Oct 21 16:46:38 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Westbridge Station, posted by VictorM on Sun Feb 28 10:05:52 2010.

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If the platform was south of Jamaica Av, then the photo is looking EASTBOUND, not westbound.

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Oct 21 18:52:44 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by murray1575 on Tue Jul 13 06:20:01 2010.

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I wouldn't go anywhere near that route. Among other things it is MTA property and you could get arrested for trespassing.

I believe the abandoned Rockaway Division ROW is property of the City of New York and not the MTA.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 21 20:59:46 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Oct 21 18:52:44 2010.

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Yes. It's owned by "The Department of Citywide Administrative Services (DCAS)".

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 21 22:23:00 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 21 15:35:10 2010.

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Too Steep and Covered with Growth do not matter. That it *is* an ROW does matter. It will have to be rebuilt, embankment and all for any new service. The existing embankment not only has tree growing on top of it, but also has tree roots growing inside of it making it unstable as it is for any resumption of service without that full rebuild from the foundations up.



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Re: Matawok LIRR Question

Posted by Widecab5 on Thu Nov 25 12:19:54 2010, in response to Matawok Question (Re: LIRR Westbridge Station), posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jul 12 18:28:01 2010.

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I found this posting on Thanksgiving Day through Wikipedia while researching the LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch.

Early Queens atlases show the Matawok Main Line station as being accessed from White Pot Blvd., which is now Yellowstone Blvd. It was only open from 1922 to 1925.

It appears this was actually a second stop to be called Matawok. The other was on the Rockaway Beach Branch and also accessed from White Pot (Yellowstone) Blvd. I haven't seen a photo of this one but its shows up on Bob Emery's blue print of White Pot Junction, with the notation "Burned 1925?". It consisted of a one-car high platform on each track with an overpass.

Think "Atlantic" on Staten Island, but on a curve.

Anyhow, in reference to the original question, the present bridge is evidently a replacement (probably second generation by now). If you can read the notations in the above sketch, it says the former Matawok overpass was removed in 1947 and the original pedestrian bridge installed in its place in 1949.

On Google maps it now looks like a typical concrete slabbed, fenced-to-death installation, as per above I'd guess a second generation replacement or rebuild/re-deck.

What I need to know is this (if anyone can answer):

Was the Matawok station on "The Rock" open before or after the one on the Main Line?

Thanks much, and...Happy Thanksgiving!!

Regards,

George Chiasson Jr.
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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by mike cruz on Thu Nov 25 23:05:00 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by arnine on Thu Oct 21 16:40:26 2010.

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WOW indeed it was soo beautiful soo to speak. they should at least cut the trees down so it looks better, and how come LIRR never took any of the rails up?

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by Fred G on Thu Nov 25 23:54:37 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 21 16:26:58 2010.

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We used to climb around up there when we were kids, like back in the early 70's. It was overgrown but nothing like your photos show. I can imagine it now. Your pics are cool, bring back good memories.

your pal,
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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 26 00:22:28 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by Fred G on Thu Nov 25 23:54:37 2010.

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And just think, my photos were taken around 1992 or 1993....going on 20 years ago. Just imagine another 20 years of growth!

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Re: Matawok Question (Re: LIRR Westbridge Station)

Posted by gbs on Fri Nov 26 02:00:47 2010, in response to Matawok Question (Re: LIRR Westbridge Station), posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jul 12 18:28:01 2010.

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That can't be the same bridge, or the same location; the topography is wrong. The current foot bridge at 67 Av connects Austin and Burns Streets at high points for both streets, which rise uphill from Yellowstone Blvd going west. The photo of that old bridge shows no high point on one side, just stairs going down to the platform.

Also, to walk to the 67 Av IND station from the bridge, you would not have turned right onto Austin St after crossing the bridge, you would have continued straight on 67 Av, passing Wetherole, Booth, and Saunders Streets, to Queens Blvd and the subway station.

I share your memory of watching the LIRR trains zooming by under the bridge; I waited for many a train to pass. From that vantage point, you can see far in both directions, especially west.

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Nov 26 02:08:09 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 21 16:26:58 2010.

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I like how that platform after 25 years of disuse is in better shape than many still-used ones...

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Nov 26 07:38:53 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by mike cruz on Thu Nov 25 23:05:00 2010.

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how come LIRR never took any of the rails up?

IINM, because they didn't technically abandon it. Legally the LIRR could run a train from Penn Station to Ozone Park tomorrow. Technically they might experience some difficulties if the tried that though...

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 26 07:45:52 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by mike cruz on Thu Nov 25 23:05:00 2010.

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The Rockaway line was never officially abandoned originally. The line was never supposed to grow over like that, the line was put into 'temporary disuse", as originally, that's why all the signals, rails, third rail, and infastructure remained.
Of course, time chose to put "temporarily disuse" into abandoned, but that is the reason all the rails remained.
The subway was supposed to take over the whole line, but money to convert the whole stretch wasn't available at the time.

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Nov 26 11:38:14 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 26 07:45:52 2010.

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The queens blvd.line was operating at capacity[or so the city says]so that no additional trains could be accomadated.so the rockaway div.was diverted to the A train.I believe the tracks&signals were left in place because it would cost more to remove them then there scrape value was worth.

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 28 09:08:28 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Nov 26 07:38:53 2010.

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I think sometime during the period that the Hamilton Beach or Ozone Park franshise trains were operating, the whole ROW was sold to the City. But, I agree, either the TA or LIRR could start tearing down the trees, and run it next year if they wanted to.

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 28 11:49:37 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 28 09:08:28 2010.

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LION thinks it will take a lot more than just tearing down trees.

LION thinks the entire embankment will have to be stabilized due to damage caused by roots, water and freezing. LION *knows* that the entire power and signal system will have to be replaced.

LION suggests that the first train through be lead by an armoured train with machine gunners to take out the NIMBYS, how are sol anyway.



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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 28 12:16:00 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 28 11:49:37 2010.

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Well they can keep enjoying the Q11.

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 28 12:17:02 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Nov 26 02:08:09 2010.

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Parkside and Brooklyn Manor platforms are gone w/o a trace.
Shame.

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Nov 28 15:38:35 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 28 11:49:37 2010.

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um,there ain`t no power or signal system.

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Sun Nov 28 16:48:47 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Nov 28 15:38:35 2010.

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Any one have any other current pics of the rockaway beach branch?

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 28 18:23:41 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Nov 28 15:38:35 2010.

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There *was* a power system as evidenced by the third rail. That there is none there now is beyond a doubt.



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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Nov 28 19:42:05 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 28 18:23:41 2010.

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um,thats what I said.

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 28 20:07:58 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Nov 28 19:42:05 2010.

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Broadway Lion does that a lot. He is clueless.

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Nov 28 20:08:50 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 28 20:07:58 2010.

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Crikey

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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 28 21:17:00 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 28 20:07:58 2010.

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Come Here Moi Little One
I'll give you a clue!




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Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Nov 28 22:06:31 2010, in response to Re: LIRR Rockaway Branch aka The Dead Tracks, posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 28 12:17:02 2010.

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They were wooden, unlike Woodhaven and Ozone Park which were/are concrete.

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