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Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question

Posted by Charles G on Thu Mar 6 10:48:48 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 6 10:16:34 2008.

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You know what I mean. Subway riders taking the most direct route. Via HB. But if anything, that just shows more inequity. Why are some MTA riders charged and other MTA riders not charged?

It has nothing to do with being an MTA rider or not. Take the MTA out of the picture. People using the entrance at Howard Beach are charged. People using the entrances via the highway or from local streets are not charged. The charge is an access fee -- or as you call it, a pedestrian toll. In some respects, it is like a highway toll -- those taking the most direct route will pay the toll, those using a less direct route (on local streets) will not.

As respects inequity, life is full of it. Why do you choose to object to it so strenuously here?

Some people drive to the airport and park in the long-term lot and get a space right near the AirTrain entrance. Others end up parking further away and must wait for a shuttle bus to take them to the AirTrain station or walk with their luggage. Yet they pay the same parking fee (the person further away might even pay more, if the additional time to get to his car were to tick him up into the next per hour or per day bracket). Inequity? Absolutely.

Not true. No where in there does it say to maximize revenue. This pedestrian toll / fare inequity only does that - maximize revenue. It does not "To identify and meet the critical transportation infrastructure needs of the bistate region's businesses, residents, and visitors" ... "providing access to the rest of the nation and to the world, and strengthening the economic competitiveness of the New York-New Jersey metropolitan region."


The entrance at Howard Beach provides access to the airport. That is entirely within the mission of the PA. There are no restrictions in their mission or in their charter that prevent them from charging for the access that they provide.

From my reading of this thread, you are the only one who is claiming that the PA makes this charge solely to "maximize revenue", and you've provided nothing to support that other than your opinion. Other logical reasons for the charge have been offered, but you have rejected them out of hand, stating that you simply believe that their reason is to maximize revenue.

Finally, what is wrong with maximizing revenue? The PA charter requires it to be self supporting. Why shouldn't they maximize revenue -- especially since it only goes out the other end to benefit travelers?




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