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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 19 10:43:37 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 19 04:04:51 2012.

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Someone of your intelligence wasting so much time, so many words on someone like him. Unreal.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 19 11:09:53 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 18 12:51:40 2012.

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Cucurrit

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 19 11:12:31 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 18 13:46:48 2012.

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These people would want a repeat of Operation Ajax.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 19 11:14:23 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 18 17:05:16 2012.

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Hey, our days of being puppetmaster are over (not that we were ever that successful).

You like to criticize. What do you think President McCain would have done better in handling the Arab Spring?

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 19 11:22:32 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 19 11:12:31 2012.

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Of course! That turned out really well for us, didn't it?

Geez. Time flies. The ayatollahs have been there longer than the Shah, now.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 19 11:24:57 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 18 12:26:41 2012.

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Excellent post and excellent realism.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 19 11:31:03 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 19 02:58:45 2012.

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Why?

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jun 19 11:31:24 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 19 10:43:37 2012.

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Says the racist troll.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Jun 19 11:59:25 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Jun 18 07:47:27 2012.

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Mob rule it is.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 19 12:45:47 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Jun 18 17:56:06 2012.

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Israel could've been a beacon, a leader, and supported those fighting for freedom and equal rights HOWEVER instead Israel became hypocrites and stayed silent. So much for being a beacon of freedom and democracy, I guess Israel is only for those privileged enough to get over the other side of the fence?

You can't be serious.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 19 12:48:07 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 19 12:45:47 2012.

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Sadly, he is.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 19 14:06:29 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Jun 18 17:56:06 2012.

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So you are a Nazi.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 19 14:21:51 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 19 14:06:29 2012.

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I thought it was RockParkMan who called everyone he disagreed with a Nazi.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 19 15:12:55 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 19 10:43:37 2012.

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You'll thank me when posts from this thread can be reused in the future...

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 19 15:13:18 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jun 19 11:31:24 2012.

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Are you going to respond to my posts, or do you lack answers to the questions I'm putting out there???

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by Rockparkman on Tue Jun 19 15:48:55 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Jun 18 17:56:06 2012.

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FUCK YOU! Too bad BO chickened out and left Mubarak in the lurch. Same thing happened with Carter and the Pahlavis.

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Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood threatens military

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 19 16:05:26 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood candidate wins presidency, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 18 17:56:37 2012.

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Manchester Guardian

Muslim Brotherhood warns Egypt's generals

Islamic group claims victory in elections and threatens to flood streets if military continues to 'rebuild old regime'

Jack Shenker and Abdel-Rahman Hussein in Cairo
Monday 18 June 2012 14.29 EDT
The Muslim Brotherhood has vowed to face down Egypt's ruling generals in a "life or death" struggle over the country's political future, after declaring that its candidate had won the presidential election and would refuse to accept the junta's last-ditch attempts to engineer a constitutional coup.

As final ballot results trickled in and unofficial tallies suggested that Mohamed Morsi had secured approximately 52% of the popular vote, the Brotherhood deployed its harshest language yet against the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF), promising to bring millions of Egyptians back on to the streets if attempts to rebuild the old regime continued.

"Over the past 18 months we were very keen to avoid any clashes or confrontations with other components of Egypt's political system because we felt that it would have negative consequences for the democratic system and for society as a whole," said Fatema AbouZeid, a senior policy researcher for the Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice party and a media coordinator for the Morsi campaign. "But now it's very clear that Scaf and other institutions of the state are determined to stand in the way of what we're trying to achieve, and we won't accept this any more. Egypt will not go back to the old regime through any means, legal or illegal.

"If we find that Scaf stands firm against us as we try to fulfil the demands of the revolution, we will go back to the streets and escalate things peacefully to the highest possible stage," she said. "Now we have a new factor in Egyptian politics, the Egyptian people themselves, who will not accept a return to the old regime in any form, not after so much Egyptian blood was shed to remove it. The revolution is facing a life or death moment and the Egyptian people have put their faith in Dr. Morsi to represent them at this time."

On Monday the parliamentary speaker, Saad el-Katatni, a Brotherhood veteran, said he did not recognise last week's decision by Mubarak-era judges in Egypt's supreme constitutional court to dissolve the legislature, a move widely viewed as highly politicized and designed to bolster the generals. Katatni said MPs planned to attend parliament — which was surrounded by armed soldiers — as usual on Tuesday or convene in nearby Tahrir Square, setting the stage for a showdown between the generals who have held sway for six decades and the long-outlawed Islamist movement now on the brink of political control.

An 11th-hour constitutional declaration issued unilaterally by Scaf awarded the generals sweeping powers including the right to put forward legislation and an effective veto over clauses in the new constitution, and formalized the army's ability to detain civilians and sweep out of barracks at moments of "internal unrest".

Political analysts described the move as a constitutional obscenity and said it left the three major institutions of the post-Mubarak Egyptian state — the presidency (now curtailed), the parliament (now dissolved) and the constitutional assembly (now floundering in legal uncertainty) — all under the full or partial influence of the armed forces.

"Military encroachment on civilian authority has been a pretty constant process over the past year and a half but this really embeds it," said Heba Morayef, of Human Rights Watch. "In the past 18 months we've already seen the military literally get away with murder. The military's involvement in civilian law enforcement without the oversight of the civilian judiciary, as outlined in this declaration, is a recipe for abuse and impunity, and it sends a terrifying signal about what measures may be in the works when it comes to dealing with future protests against military rule."

At a press conference on Monday Scaf generals insisted their motives had been misinterpreted, and repeated their commitment to handing over executive authority to the new president by the end of the month — a handover that many Egyptians now view as largely meaningless.

With 99% of the presidential ballot papers tabulated, the Brotherhood claimed Morsi had garnered 13.2 million votes, against 12.3 million for his rival, Ahmed Shafiq, who served as Hosni Mubarak's final prime minister. In an early morning address to the nation, Morsi promised to stand for the whole of a deeply fractured country, not just the portion of it that voted for him. "I will be serving all Egyptians," he declared, "and standing at an equal distance from all of them."

Chants of "Allahu Akbar" and "Down with military rule" rang out and supporters spilled out into the streets to celebrate. Their headquarters sit across the road from the interior ministry, which once housed many Brotherhood members behind its high walls. Shafiq's team dismissed the Brotherhood's celebrations as premature and said their own tallies suggested that a win for their candidate was "beyond all doubt". Initial results contain a margin of error of about two percentage points and both sides can launch appeals against the conduct of the vote before official results are announced on Thursday. But by Monday evening it seemed increasingly likely that Morsi had done enough to become the first democratically elected president in Egypt's history.

Revolutionaries expressed optimism that that the twists and turns of the past week would reanimate the struggle for change. "I'm not pessimistic at all," said Salma Said, a 26-year-old campaigner with the alternative media collective Mosireen. "I think the fight is going to be tougher, just like any game gets harder in the later levels, but what the revolutionaries really need to do now is unite.

"People are already making lists of urgent demands to put to the new president and which must be met within the next few months. Now we can stop being distracted by elections and get back to work on what's really needed: releasing military prisoners, retrying those convicted in military courts, implementing a minimum and maximum wage, and so on."

Said said the Brotherhood had consistently weakened the revolutionary front, but a Morsi victory was preferable to a Shafiq one because it opened up new political space and allowed revolutionaries to move beyond rallies in Tahrir Square and engage with Egyptians in bigger and more creative ways.

"The Egyptian government and the western media always try to equate Tahrir with the revolution and vice versa in an effort to limit the space of the revolution, but that utopian, materialistic image of Tahrir has long been distorted," she said. "Now we need to concentrate on mass marches across the whole country. Tahrir can be a start or end point, but no longer just a destination in its own right."
. . . and then they'll make Jerusalem the capital of Israel, of course.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood threatens military

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jun 19 16:11:36 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood threatens military, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 19 16:05:26 2012.

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In the Arab world, there seldom is change for the better.

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood threatens military

Posted by Rockparkman on Tue Jun 19 16:30:41 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood threatens military, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 19 16:05:26 2012.

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Time for BO to grow some balls and beef up the Egyptian military.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 19 17:48:14 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jun 19 11:31:24 2012.

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what is racist about my posts?

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jun 19 18:05:41 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 19 17:48:14 2012.

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Look at the stupid post you wrote about why "Rock of Ages" bombed on the big screen and my reply to it.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jun 19 18:08:27 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 19 15:13:18 2012.

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Only have enough time to answer small posts for now, your post requires a longer post, in all fairness it took you nearly 18 hours to reply to my post. So be patient.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 19 18:10:13 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 19 17:48:14 2012.

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Don't take that from a Nazi.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 19 18:17:32 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jun 19 18:05:41 2012.

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nothing stupid about my post. it certainly wasn't racist, as much as a recognition of changing attitude and demographics in America. I have no problem with Rock Of Ages bombing. I was one of the first people to run out to see Beat Street in 1984. I hated hair metal.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jun 19 18:21:01 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 19 14:06:29 2012.

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Remember that post you made a long time ago... where you claimed you didn't call people Nazis? Exhibit A...

Being critical of the Israeli government =/= antisemite =/= Nazi

Now when are you going to step out of your radiation proof hole and get with the times.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by Rockparkman on Tue Jun 19 18:31:46 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jun 19 18:21:01 2012.

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Olog calls me a Nazi all the time. The fluid in his skull is VERY RANCID but I'd like to see a "snatch crew" grab Mubarak out of his prison and give him the mu$cle to regain power in Egypt.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jun 19 18:43:23 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 19 11:31:03 2012.

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Because he failed on Saturday. Oh, wait, wrong WMATA. Never mind. :-)

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jun 19 18:57:08 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Jun 18 17:56:06 2012.

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Israel could've been a beacon, a leader, and supported those fighting for freedom and equal rights

Your average middle eastern Muslim for the most part distrusts Israel at the very least, yet Israel is supposed to act as a beacon for them? That's wildly optimistic.

Democracy doesn't happen overnight

How quickly did Israel set up a democratic government?

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 19 19:07:51 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jun 19 18:57:08 2012.

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You forgot to tell the Nazi that Nasser's Pan-Arabism was a copy of Hitler's Pan-Germanism.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jun 19 19:11:05 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 19 02:46:05 2012.

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"No country maintains a foreign policy that possibly results in that country going to war or being wiped off the face of the earth. This is a point that Olog and I actually agree on, foreign policies serve the interests of the country that is setting its own policy. One can debate whether a specific policy is actually beneficial, but you cannot deny the risks at stake for Israel with the Muslim Brotherhood running the show in Egypt. Should the US begin to recognize terrorist governments such as that of Hamas in Gaza because the people in Gaza voted for that government? By your logic, the answer seems to be yes. Are the Americans hypocritical and no longer a beacon of freedom and democracy because the US government doesn't recognize the democratically elected government within the Gaza Strip?"

Using the Gaza strip is bad because the palestinians are divided between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank so you have two voices speaking for what is supposed to be one state and neither technically respect each other. Then you go on a notion about War, do you honestly think that Egypt with the Muslim Brotherhood would want to go to War with Israel? Their nation is broke, wars cost money, military equipment costs money and they know if they go to war there would be economic and political sanctions and they risk isolating their nation and causing a huge refugee crisis. It wouldn't take much for Israel to win that war, מלחמת ששת הימים, ring a bell? A war would be devastating and for a rebuilding Egypt even with the Muslim Brotherhood at the helm it would be in their best interests to foster relations with the west for IMF and other international funds to rebuild their nation especially if they don't they risk a coup from the military or another uprising from the people. Muslim Brotherhood needs stability and economic recovery, a war would be counter to both, even the most hardline pressed islamist in Egypt knows that. When fear is set aside and common sense prevails it makes sense. Want proof? That is why Iran for all its talk, about how much it hates Israel has yet to fire a single missile in its direction (directly not through proxy groups ala Hezbollah), and thats been the situation since the 70s! Same thing with Syria.... worst comes to worst the biggest fear would be that the MB would use proxy groups or open the floodgates for weapons but that also comes to the risk for starting a war with Israel which again is not in Egypt's best interest especially since the military is keen on not respecting the MBs authority.
If you're worried about whether attacking Egypt would spark a larger confrontation with Iran, I say look at when Israel went to war with Hezbollah and everyone feared a larger conflict but it remained localized so Iran isn't keen on justifying an Israeli strike on their nation so any conflict with Egypt would likely stay localized.

Israel is still a beacon of freedom and democracy, the religious establishment does not have unilateral control over most governmental affairs on a daily basis and religious law does not rule the land. There are fair and free elections on a regular basis. People protests and are outspoken against the government. Minorities can vote and have political representation. Many of those things aren't happening in Egypt, because as you rightly point out, we are only 18 months in. But when an organization that first maintained it wouldn't field candidates and thinks that Egypt should be governed by religious laws wins a majority of the seats in parliament (and doesn't play by the rules to do it), do you really feel that good about the odds of those those defining aspects of democracy that exist in Israel today showing up in Egypt in the near future? I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd love to be wrong and can admit it when I am, but I think I have quite a bit of reason for being concerned that I might be right.

Israel by definition and by the actions of the government to its people are true of a real democracy, however its foreign policy is counter to it. Especially with the use of things like White Phosphorus, bulldozing houses, and illegal settlements (under international law). It was fine that Mubarek was doing what he was doing because there was security, in other words Israel turned a blind eye to what was happening INSIDE egypt because they got the peace treaty. However even if the Brotherhood came to power Israel wouldn't face the doomsday scenario you think might happen and the article you posted said it best "I think they will be very careful not to dismantle it. These uprisings have nothing to do with Israel. Israel isn’t the reason, and Israel isn’t the solution." Perhaps by being more vocal and supportive of freedom and democracy in Egypt perhaps you might be able to keep the treaty and secure the borders with Egypt even with the Muslim Brotherhood in power. You managed to get a treaty with a dictator... so how hard can it be?


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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jun 19 19:12:11 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 19 19:07:51 2012.

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You seem to know a lot about Hitler and Nazi culture in general... for a guy who likes to call others Nazis.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jun 19 19:28:23 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jun 19 19:11:05 2012.

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Also with the recent election of the president chosen by the people, yes its a Muslim Brotherhood member, however this person who chosen democratically by the Egyptian people. So no matter what you must respect the decision of the Egyptian people. As for how long it might take for Egypt to become a western style democracy or more likely towards a Malaysia or Indonesia type democracy can range anywhere for years to decades, if the evolution time for nations like Germany, the US, UK, Russia, France, Japan are any indication it can vary widely from a few years, to decades and have its teething problems, step forwards and step back, however as a person living in a democratic nation, I must support the people who want freedom and democracy because getting freedom is not easy, getting rights is not easy and there might be some chaos, but to deny it like certain people want here is against values we have as Americans. No matter how long it takes, its our job as Americans to support those who want democracy even if its a slim chance because in the end it will happen, and history has proved that.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 19 19:29:48 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 19 18:10:13 2012.

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There's nothing Nazi about that post. Get a grip.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jun 19 19:32:26 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 19 19:29:48 2012.

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This is the guy that wears a tin foil hat, and believes that we're communists seeking to bring mother russia here to the states.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 19 19:38:11 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by Rockparkman on Tue Jun 19 18:31:46 2012.

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Ain't gonna happen; Mubarek has had a stroke.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 19 19:40:11 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jun 19 19:32:26 2012.

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He's late to GO PRAY!

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Jun 19 19:44:28 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 19 18:10:13 2012.

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Whats Nazi about it care to explain?

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Egypt Revolts; Mubarak probably dead after stroke

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 19 19:46:16 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Cable News Network

Mixed reports about whether Mubarak has died

By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 7:05 PM EDT, Tue June 19, 2012
Cairo, Egypt (CNN) — Reports conflicted Wednesday over whether the 84-year-old former president of Egypt, Hosni Mubarak, was clinically dead.

The state-run Middle East News Agency, citing medical sources, said he was declared clinically dead shortly after arriving late Tuesday night at a military hospital in Cairo, where he was taken after suffering a stroke and cardiac arrest earlier in the day.

But Gen. Mamdouh Shaheen, a member of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, told CNN, "He is not clinically dead as reported, but his health is deteriorating and he is in critical condition."

Mubarak was taken by helicopter to the military hospital in the Maadi suburb of Cairo, Shaheen said. "He had a heart attack and his heart stopped and he was saved by electric shocks, then placed on respirator," he said. "His pulse is 40. He then got a brain clot. He is NOT clinically dead as reported but his health is deteriorating and he is in critical condition."

And Mubarak's lawyer, Fareed El Deeb, told CNN, "He has been in a coma for hours now. He has had water on the lungs for 10 days now and his blood pressure is down today, which obstructed his breathing and forced doctors to put him on a respirator. He was given medicine intravenously to relieve the brain clot, and electric shocks were used to revive him but there was no substantial response. He is not dead as reported."

Adel Saeed, the official spokesman of the Egyptian prosecutor, had said earlier, "We were informed by prison authority that Mubarak's heart has stopped and they used electric shocks and CPR to resurrect him. He is now on an artificial respirator and doctors from the armed forces and International Medical Center will inspect him."

Nile TV reported that Mubarak had suffered a stroke.

He was taken from Tora prison hospital to Maadi military hospital, his defense lawyer, Fareed El Deeb, told CNN. "He has suffered a stroke but he is not dead," El Deeb said.

But the prosecutor and the military council denied Mubarak had been moved.

His health has been reported to be in decline since he was ousted as president of Egypt in February 2011 and found guilty of charges related to the killings of hundreds of anti-government demonstrators during the revolution.

Last week, an Interior Ministry spokesman said he was comatose; the spokesman said he suffered from high blood pressure, irregular heartbeats and difficulty breathing.

"We should be skeptical," said Fouad Ajami, a senior fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution.

"There's a great Arab expression I like and it asks the following question: When you're told that someone is dead, you say, 'Is he dead and buried, or just dead?' I think we are in the middle of this kind of situation."

"Clinically dead is not a phrase that is commonly used, but when it is used, what it usually means is that someone is brain dead," said CNN Senior Medical Correspondent Elizabeth Cohen. "In the United States, we would call this person dead because they have no brain activity."

Meanwhile, crowds jammed Tahrir Square once again on Wednesday. But their focus this time was not on Mubarak. Instead, it was on the power grab by the Egyptian military, which last week stripped the position of president of much of its power as Muslim Brotherhood candidate Mohammed Morsi faced off against Mubarak's former prime minister, Ahmed Safik.

"I've come from far away. I'm not leaving until Morsi swears the oath in front of the legitimately elected parliament," said demonstrator Sayed Ahmed. "We're having a sit-in. I don't care about Mubarak. These are games played by the intelligence services."

"If he's really dead, its God's will," said Nasser Shaaban, another demonstrator. "I would hope he lives to see the new president."

Outside Maadi Military Hospital, shortly before midnight Tuesday, there was no additional security. Instead, just a few policemen outside the main gate and two military police inside the gate. Across the street were perhaps a half-dozen journalists and cameramen sitting on the curb smoking cigarettes.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 19 19:48:50 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by Railman718 on Tue Jun 19 19:44:28 2012.

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Everything. Anything having to do with supporting Islamic terror dates back to WWII, where the Ottoman Turks and Arabs were in league with Hitler. Nasser's pan-Arabism is copied from pan-Germanism and his philosophy is described as "nationalist/socialist" (from whence the term "Nazi" comes).

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Jun 19 19:50:39 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 19 19:48:50 2012.

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So are you calling him a terrorist too now?

So those who may "think" like that "nationalist/socialist" are Nazis then?

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 19 19:55:35 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by Railman718 on Tue Jun 19 19:50:39 2012.

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What do you think "Nazi" is short for?—the name of the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei in German). The Ba'athist philosophy, like Nasserism, is also based on National Socialism.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jun 19 19:56:48 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by Railman718 on Tue Jun 19 19:50:39 2012.

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Olog is a hypocrite, he swears he doesn't called people Nazis but then has on several occasions. This is the man that knows more about Hitler and Nazis than anyone else on this board. However Olog is anti democracy and anti democratic.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by Railman718 on Tue Jun 19 19:57:06 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 19 19:55:35 2012.

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Well you think hes a Nazi then right?

Help me out here...

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jun 19 19:57:46 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 19 19:55:35 2012.

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So the British parliament is full of Nazis under your definition... go to the UK parliament and call them all Nazis... lets see how far you get.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 19 20:02:01 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 19 11:14:23 2012.

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McCain? Just as bad insofar as the Arab Spring. But there are others who would have handled the Arabs better,

As to puppetmaster, better to attempt that than be the puppet. Or the patsy.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jun 19 20:12:40 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 19 20:02:01 2012.

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As to puppetmaster, better to attempt that than be the puppet. Or the patsy.

People don't like to be considered puppets (or patsies for that matter), which is why a foreign power trying to act as puppetmaster over a people's situation tends to greatly irritate the people. The penalty for failure at trying to be puppetmaster is extremely high, and with the situation so unstable, the gains are dubious. I can see the wisdom of letting it shake itself out for the most part, but not completely being out of the picture (a "casual" reminder that we supply billions to them helps to jog their memory).

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Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood threatens military

Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jun 19 20:19:59 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts; Muslim Brotherhood threatens military, posted by Rockparkman on Tue Jun 19 16:30:41 2012.

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Depends if the situation turns into military vs. entire country, in which case it would be an awful mess the US would not want to be seen as partially responsible.

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 19 20:33:33 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by SLRT on Mon Jun 18 17:05:16 2012.

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It didn't cost us a trillion dollars to hand over a country to the Islamists like it did in Iraq.
We also don't have thousands killed and many thousands more injured. It is what it is.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy

Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jun 19 20:43:15 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Jun 18 17:56:06 2012.

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Huh? This is the unicorn thread?

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Re: Egypt Revolts!

Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jun 19 20:44:49 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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CNN is only claiming that the youth is behind Obama.

Good for them. After Farouk the country went into the gutter with it's concentration camps and other trash. I don't think we need another Cindy Sheehan style failed new age terror state like Turkiye

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