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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by cortelyounext on Sun Dec 18 14:33:05 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 18 12:30:59 2011.

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That video is excruciating. That place is f'd up.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 18 14:41:07 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 18 12:30:59 2011.

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We need to see more footage. Just like the "pepper spray" videos, we need to see more than edits. Yes, soldiers are heavy handed, but why not show them being pelted over and over and over with bricks and metal pipes, which is what provokes soldiers to be so violent when the get their hands of the Time People of the Year-The Protester.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 18 16:29:07 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 18 12:30:59 2011.

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Are you aware that the military oppose the Islamist parties?

The people doing the beating here are the ones you have been supporting.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by Easy on Sun Dec 18 16:35:14 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by AlM on Sun Dec 18 16:29:07 2011.

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The people doing the beating here are the ones you have been supporting.

Link to where he supported the military?

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 18 17:39:46 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by Easy on Sun Dec 18 16:35:14 2011.

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One of many Olog posts where he says the revolution (which he opposes0 is Islamist and not liberal.

Who do you think Olog supports in Egypt?

http://www.subchat.com/otchat/read.asp?Id=755514

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by Easy on Sun Dec 18 17:42:09 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by AlM on Sun Dec 18 17:39:46 2011.

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Well seeing as how he opposed the uprising which was lead by Islamists and the military, I imagine that he supported keeping the status quo until such a time as they would be able to elect a modern government.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 18 18:00:54 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by Easy on Sun Dec 18 17:42:09 2011.

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Oh sure. One that wants to march on Al-Quds Jerusalem . . .

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 18 20:40:43 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by Easy on Sun Dec 18 17:42:09 2011.

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The uprising was led by Islamists and liberals. The military sat on the sidelines until they realized Mubarak was a hopeless case, then they supported the uprising. Before that they had been staunch Mubarak supporters.

Now that the Islamists have won the election, the military is trying to hold them back. Olog may not love the Egyptian military, but he sure loves their goal, which is to keep the Islamists out of power.

So now he is publishing a piece about abuses by the military as if to say "See what the US caused by supporting the liberals."


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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 18 20:45:04 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by AlM on Sun Dec 18 20:40:43 2011.

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Heh. And to think ... it was Americans who wanted "democracy" over there and now their sympathizers are bitching about the result of their wish. :-\

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by SMAZ on Sun Dec 18 20:56:57 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 18 12:30:59 2011.

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Thank God for the Egyptian Armed Forces.

The only institution preventing these harlots from having their pimps establish an Islamic Republic.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Dec 18 23:41:58 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by SMAZ on Sun Dec 18 20:56:57 2011.

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Thank God for the Egyptian Armed Forces.

In my drunker moments, I'd argue that the ideal would be for the military to take a deep state role where it stays in the background, but steps in when an Islamist government comes to power. The secularists and reformers should ally with the military to write a Constitution and keep the Islamists out of power, but one could argue that it's too late for that now.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Dec 19 00:11:29 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Dec 18 23:41:58 2011.

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That formula worked for Turkey for decades until true democratic values finally took hold among the citizenry and the military slowly let go.

That would be the best-case scenario for Egypt.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 19 00:27:32 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Dec 18 23:41:58 2011.

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The secularists and reformers should ally with the military

You do like living in dreamworld, don't you? The military's already taken the side of the Islamists.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Dec 19 00:29:44 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by SMAZ on Mon Dec 19 00:11:29 2011.

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That formula worked for Turkey for decades until true democratic values finally took hold among the citizenry and the military slowly let go.

The training wheels theory of democracy.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Dec 19 00:51:47 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 19 00:27:32 2011.

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LOL!

If they have, then why are they shooting them? Wow ... just wow. :(

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Dec 19 08:00:27 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 18 12:30:59 2011.

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Yep - and everyone is still focused on Israel.

Humanity really is pretty stupid.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 19 08:10:22 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by Mitch45 on Mon Dec 19 08:00:27 2011.

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People like JayZee were actually pulling for the barbarians that took over the country when this all started some months ago.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 19 08:13:25 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 19 00:27:32 2011.

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Then why are they beating them up? The protestors ARE Islamists who are objecting to the slow pace at which the military is handing over power to the elected government.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by Fred G on Mon Dec 19 08:29:29 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 18 12:30:59 2011.

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So now you sympathize with the Islamists against the military?

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 19 08:35:49 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by Fred G on Mon Dec 19 08:29:29 2011.

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No. It's that every injustice perpetrated against anyone in Egypt is the direct fault of US foreign policy there.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 19 08:37:54 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by AlM on Sun Dec 18 20:40:43 2011.

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IAWTP

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by Fred G on Mon Dec 19 10:16:32 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by AlM on Mon Dec 19 08:35:49 2011.

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More precisely, the fault of some OTChatters.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Dec 19 16:48:19 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by Fred G on Mon Dec 19 08:29:29 2011.

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Pakistan is about to blow up too ... wonder who's side he'll be taking there?

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Re: Egypt Revolts, Police Raid US-backed Pro-Democracy/Human Rights Groups

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 30 03:21:57 2011, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Can't have that pesky human rights thing in the way now that they used up their portion of democracy.

Reuters

Egypt police raid U.S.-backed pro-democracy groups

By Marwa Awad and Sherine El Madany
Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:44pm EST
CAIRO (Reuters) — Egyptian prosecutors and police raided offices of 17 pro-democracy and human rights groups on Thursday — drawing criticism from the United States, which hinted it could review its $1.3 billion in annual military aid.

The official MENA news agency said the groups had been searched in an investigation into foreign funding.

"The public prosecutor has searched 17 civil society organizations, local and foreign, as part of the foreign funding case," MENA cited the prosecutor's office as saying. "The search is based on evidence showing violation of Egyptian laws including not having permits."

Among groups targeted were the local offices of the U.S.-based International Republican Institute (IRI) and National Democratic Institute (NDI), a security source and employees at the organizations said.

The U.S. State Department said the raids were "inconsistent with the bilateral cooperation we have had over many years" and urged Egyptian authorities to immediately halt "harassment" of non-governmental organization staff.

State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland indicated to a news briefing that military aid could be difficult to push through Congress if the situation did not improve.

"We do have a number of new reporting and transparency requirements on funding to Egypt that we have to make to Congress," Nuland said. "The Egyptian government is well aware of that and it certainly needs to be aware of that in the context of how quickly this issue gets resolved."

Nuland said U.S. officials had been in touch with Egyptian Prime Minister Kamal al-Ganzouri and with Egypt's ambassador to Washington to underscore Washington's concern.

Germany's Foreign Ministry said it would summon Egypt's ambassador to Berlin on Friday after the raid targeted the German-based Konrad Adenauer Foundation, which is close to Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats.

Criticism Of Army

Civil society groups, a driving force behind the protests that toppled President Hosni Mubarak in February, have become increasingly vocal in criticizing what they call the army's heavy-handed tactics in dealing with street unrest.

"This is a campaign the military council has launched to defame and stigmatize activists, rights groups and the various forces that have participated in the making of the January 25 revolution," said 27 civil society groups in a joint statement.

The groups added that such a campaign was "unprecedented even in the era of Mubarak and aimed to cover the failures of the military council in its management of the transitional period."

The ruling generals have pledged to stand aside by mid-2012 but many democracy activists say the military is keen to preserve its privileges and broad business interests.

One analyst said the crackdown on civil society groups was an attempt to stymie the protest movement.

"Civil society groups and the media are the two pillars of a successful revolution, because they are radical in their demands. The military council launches intermittent attacks to contain them," said analyst and researcher Yasser Abdel Aziz.

The U.S. State Department comments followed stinging criticism by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton over the "systematic degradation" of women during protests in Cairo this month in which 17 people were killed.

Images of troops beating demonstrators as they lay on the ground brought thousands of Egyptians onto the streets in protest. The harsh treatment of women protesters attracted particular attention.

The National Democratic Institute (NDI) said in an e-mailed statement that the raid took place on its offices in Cairo, Alexandria and Assiut, from where police confiscated equipment and documents.

"Cracking down on organizations whose sole purpose is to support the democratic process during Egypt's historic transition sends a disturbing signal," NDI President Kenneth Wollack was quoted as saying.

One person working at NDI, who gave her name as Rawda, said: "They are grabbing all the papers and laptops."

A Reuters television reporter who approached the offices of the International Republican Institute (IRI) in central Cairo found the doors sealed shut with wax and saw several police vehicles driving away from the area.

The NDI and IRI, which are loosely associated with the U.S. Democratic and Republican political parties and receive U.S. government funding, say they take a neutral political stance, fostering democracy in Egypt by training members of nascent parties in democratic processes.

Campaign

Other groups that were raided included U.S.-based Freedom House and local groups set up to defend judicial independence, individual freedoms and democracy, according to the Egyptian Organization for Human Rights.

"This looks like a campaign against human rights defenders," said prominent Egyptian rights activist Negad al-Borai. He said similar campaigns happened during Mubarak's three-decade rule. For this to happen after what we call the 'revolution', I am astonished."

Egypt's military has vowed to investigate how pro-democracy and rights organizations are funded and has said repeatedly it will not tolerate foreign interference in the country's affairs.

Egyptian presidential hopeful and former U.N. nuclear watchdog head Mohamed ElBaradei said: "Human rights organizations are the icon of freedom ... Everyone will be watching closely any illegal attempts to distort them. The revolution will prevail."

(Additional reporting by Yasmine Saleh and Patrick Werr; Christian Ruettger in Berlin; and Andrew Quinn in Washington; Writing by Tom Pfeiffer; Editing by Myra MacDonald)

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Re: Egypt Revolts, Police Raid US-backed Pro-Democracy/Human Rights Groups

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 30 03:29:32 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, Police Raid US-backed Pro-Democracy/Human Rights Groups, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 30 03:21:57 2011.

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Sooooo ... you want the Muslim Brotherhood to continue taking power in Egypt while the military is trying to stop it. Can you EVER make up your mind what you want?

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Re: Egypt Revolts, Police Raid US-backed Pro-Democracy/Human Rights Groups

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Dec 30 12:15:00 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, Police Raid US-backed Pro-Democracy/Human Rights Groups, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 30 03:29:32 2011.

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Do me a favor. I lost your personal E-mail address when my old PC killed both it's hard drives so drop me an e-mail so I can add it to my list of correspondents. Thanks.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, Police Raid US-backed Pro-Democracy/Human Rights Groups

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 30 12:38:48 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, Police Raid US-backed Pro-Democracy/Human Rights Groups, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Dec 30 12:15:00 2011.

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I lost your personal E-mail address when my old PC killed both it's hard drives

LOL!!!!! Haven't you ever heard of Gmail?!?!? LOL!!!! You probably lost all your saved email too!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Egypt Revolts, Police Raid US-backed Pro-Democracy/Human Rights Groups

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Dec 30 12:55:21 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, Police Raid US-backed Pro-Democracy/Human Rights Groups, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 30 12:38:48 2011.

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GET A JOB, Turtle!!! Stop making the breadwinner's job on your wife.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, Police Raid US-backed Pro-Democracy/Human Rights Groups

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 30 13:19:03 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, Police Raid US-backed Pro-Democracy/Human Rights Groups, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Dec 30 12:55:21 2011.

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LOL!

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Re: Egypt Revolts, Police Raid US-backed Pro-Democracy/Human Rights Groups

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 30 15:50:39 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, Police Raid US-backed Pro-Democracy/Human Rights Groups, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 30 13:19:03 2011.

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:)

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Re: Egypt Revolts, Police Raid US-backed Pro-Democracy/Human Rights Groups

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 30 15:51:03 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, Police Raid US-backed Pro-Democracy/Human Rights Groups, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Dec 30 12:55:21 2011.

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LOL!!!!! Haven't you ever heard of Gmail?!?!? LOL!!!! You probably lost all your saved email too!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Egypt Revolts, Police Raid US-backed Pro-Democracy/Human Rights Groups

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Dec 30 21:37:01 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, Police Raid US-backed Pro-Democracy/Human Rights Groups, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 30 15:51:03 2011.

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I don't use ANYTHING Google. You are a 100% jerk.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, Police Raid US-backed Pro-Democracy/Human Rights Groups

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 31 00:49:08 2011, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, Police Raid US-backed Pro-Democracy/Human Rights Groups, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Dec 30 21:37:01 2011.

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Too bad for you.

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Egypt Revolts—Muslim Brotherhood won't recognize Israel, looking to cancel peace treaty

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 2 20:57:50 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Jerusalem Post

Muslim Brotherhood vows not to recognize Israel

By JPOST.COM STAFF AND REUTERS
01/01/2012 11:42

Egyptian party's deputy leader tells 'al-Hayat' that they won't negotiate with Israel, will seek to cancel peace treaty.

Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood will not recognize Israel “under any circumstance,” the party’s deputy leader Dr. Rashad Bayoumi told Arabic daily al-Hayat in an interview published on Sunday.

In recent Egyptian elections, the Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party (FJP) won 36.3 percent of the list vote, while the ultra-conservative Salafi al-Nour Party took 28.8%.

When asked whether it is a requirement for the government in Egypt to recognize Israel, Bayoumi responded by saying: “This is not an option, whatever the circumstances, we do not recognize Israel at all. It’s an occupying criminal enemy.”

The deputy leader stressed during the interview that no Muslim Brotherhood members would ever meet with Israelis for negotiations.“I will not allow myself to sit down with criminals.”

Bayoumi went on to say that the Muslim Brotherhood would take legal procedures towards canceling the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel that was signed in 1979.

“The Brotherhood respects international conventions, but we will take legal action against the peace treaty with the Zionist entity,” he told the paper.

At the beginning of December, Egypt’s two leading Islamist parties won about two-thirds of votes for party lists in the second round of polling for a parliament that will help draft a new constitution after decades of autocratic rule.

The vote, staged over six weeks, is the first free election Egypt has held after the 30-year rule of president Hosni Mubarak, who routinely rigged polls before he was overthrown by a popular uprising in February.

The West long looked to Mubarak and other strongmen in the region to help combat Islamist militants, and has watched warily as Islamist parties have topped votes in Tunisia, Morocco and now Egypt.

The Egyptian Parliament’s prime job will be appointing a 100-man assembly to write a new constitution which will define the president’s powers and parliament’s clout in the new Egypt.

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Egypt Revolts—peace treaty with Israel to be put to a referendum

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 2 21:03:09 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts—Muslim Brotherhood won't recognize Israel, looking to cancel peace treaty, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 2 20:57:50 2012.

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Ha'aretz
Published 00:46 02.01.12 | Latest update 00:46 02.01.12

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood plans to put treaty with Israel to a referendum

MB says 'will not recognize Israel under any circumstances'; move to cancel peace treaty could represent strategic chance too great for MB as it seeks international legitimacy.

By Jack Khoury
The Muslim Brotherhood, the overwhelming victor in the first round of elections for the Egyptian Parliament, has announced it will not recognize Israel and intends to bring the Israeli-Egyptian peace treaty to a referendum.

"We will not recognize Israel under any circumstances; we are talking about an occupation entity and a criminal enemy," said Dr. Rashad Bayoumi, the deputy head of the Brotherhood.

"There is no condition that obligates the movement to recognize Israel," Bayoumi reportedly told the London-based Al-Hayat newspaper.

This position appears to be in stark contrast to the previous reports by Western diplomats, who stated that the movement's leaders had told them the Brotherhood would not endanger Egypt's relationship with Israel.

Yet Bayoumi is rejecting any possibility that he or any member of his movement would agree to meet with Israelis. He said the Muslim Brotherhood would uphold all international agreements signed by Egypt during the current "interim" period, but added that once a new government is in place the peace treaty with Israel would be reopened and the people would be asked to decide.

"This is an agreement that was formulated and signed far from the eyes of the people and the Parliament, so we must return this agreement to the people and let them have their say about whether this agreement hurts Egyptian interests and sovereignty," Bayoumi said.

A senior Egyptian journalist told Haaretz, however, that this position could change after the government is formed.

He noted that the Muslim Brotherhood is seeking international legitimacy, particularly among Western countries such as the United States, and any move to cancel the peace treaty with Israel could represent a strategic chance too great for the movement to take upon itself. This likely explains why the Brotherhood is discussing a referendum, he said.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—peace treaty with Israel to be put to a referendum

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 3 03:11:12 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts—peace treaty with Israel to be put to a referendum, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 2 21:03:09 2012.

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You'd think they might wait until things get a bit more difficult in terms of running their own country before scapegoating Israel and play that card when they are in bigger trouble...

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Muslim Brotherhood won't recognize Israel, looking to cancel peace treaty

Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 3 08:25:39 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts—Muslim Brotherhood won't recognize Israel, looking to cancel peace treaty, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 2 20:57:50 2012.

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Its their funeral. Sadat entered into the peace treaty because he recognized that Egypt will not be able to defeat Israel militarily. If these clowns think they can do it, let them try.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Muslim Brotherhood won't recognize Israel, looking to cancel peace treaty

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 3 11:00:45 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Muslim Brotherhood won't recognize Israel, looking to cancel peace treaty, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 3 08:25:39 2012.

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If they're infected with the same spirit of "jihad" as Iran is (and for the overwhelming majority, the Sunni Salafist Muslim Brotherhood and their Salafist "rivals" Al-Nour are aligned with Iran), they don't care about a military victory at all, but in mass auto-martyrdom and the second coming of the Mahdi. Sadat was anti-Iran and against their philosophies; not so the majority of Egyptian (Arab Muslims) today.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 4 22:50:00 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by SMAZ on Sun Dec 18 20:56:57 2011.

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Oh, so now you're a misogynist.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—peace treaty with Israel to be put to a referendum

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 4 22:50:42 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—peace treaty with Israel to be put to a referendum, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 3 03:11:12 2012.

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"Now" is always the right time for jihadists, don't forget.

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Egypt Revolts—Muslim Brotherhood dominant in final voting round

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 4 23:00:07 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Ain't that nice . . . just hand power over to the murderers of Sadat and Mahmoud an-Nukrashi Pasha (prime minister back in 1948). The press and the politicians have gone nuts in calling the Brotherhood "moderate" and/or "secular".

Reuters

In final leg of vote, Egypt's Islamists eye majority

By Sherine El Madany
Wed Jan 4, 2012 5:45pm EST
CAIRO (Reuters) — The Islamist Muslim Brotherhood looks set for a dominant role in Egypt's first free parliament in decades and is promising rivals a role in writing a new constitution as military generals face growing pressure to hand power to civilians.

Egyptians voted for a second day on Wednesday in the final stage of the lower-house election, the first free legislative vote since army officers overthrew the monarchy in 1952.

The staggered election is part of the military's plan to hand power to civilians before July, ending its turbulent interregnum that began with the overthrow of President Hosni Mubarak in February last year in a popular uprising.

Welcomed then as heroes who helped nudge the autocratic leader from office, the generals now face anger over their handling of protests that have left 59 dead since mid-November and an economic crisis that is worsening the plight of the poor.

Meanwhile, the Brotherhood has surfed a wave of hostility to long-time foe Mubarak. For millions of poor Egyptians, its record of charitable work in areas ignored by his government suggests it would care for their needs if it won power.

In the working class suburb of Shubra al-Khaima on the northern limits of Cairo, citizens queued to vote in pot-holed streets littered with rubbish.

"I've voted for the Muslim Brotherhood. They have experience in running politics and I am convinced they will start implementing serious reforms," said pensioner Fawzi Mohamed.

Its Freedom and Justice Party (FJP) leads after two of the three rounds of voting and the rise of Islamist parties in the poll has prompted Western concern for the future of Egypt's close ties to Washington and peace with Israel.

Raids last week on non-governmental organizations by police in a judicial probe into foreign funding for political parties have incensed rights activists and drawn a rebuke from Egypt's long-time ally the United States.

Secular Ties

The more hardline Islamist al-Nour Party has come second in the voting so far but some analysts believe the Brotherhood may seek to build a coalition with liberal groups. That could ease concerns at home and in the West about the rise of the Islamists in a country whose economy is propped up by tourism.

"The party's winning of the majority in the new parliament does not mean going it alone in writing the constitution without consideration for the rights of other Egyptians, or ignoring the political forces which did not get a majority or failed in the parliamentary elections," said FJP head Mohamed Mursi.

Founded in 1928, the Brotherhood is Egypt's best organized political force, emerging stronger than others from three decades of Mubarak rule.

With so much to gain from its return to mainstream politics, the Brotherhood has insisted that the elections proceed as planned and has shunned recent street protests against the army.

Jobs And Homes

In Shubra al-Khaima, where many voters are illiterate laborers and factory workers, poll officials said many citizens had turned up just to avoid paying a fine for not voting.

However, turnout on Tuesday and Wednesday seemed lower than in the first rounds, some poll organizers said, with many voters apparently feeling the result was already decided.

Rania, a 37-year-old housewife, said she had voted for the FJP because they will create more jobs for the young and provide apartments.

"Don't get confused and mark down the wrong candidate," she told her elderly mother as they stood in the queue.

Throughout the staggered election, agents for several parties have hustled for votes outside polling stations, flouting a ban on election-day campaigning.

"In many districts our members saw people affiliated to al-Nour and FJP telling voters to vote for them, which the election law totally prohibits," said Ahmed Said of the liberal Free Egyptians party.

An official from the liberal Egyptian Bloc, which includes the Free Egyptians, said the electoral alliance should get 15 percent of votes in the third stage, slightly above earlier rounds. Another source in the alliance said it would be lower.

Preliminary third-round results are due to be given on Saturday, the High Elections Committee said.

The lower house election concludes with a run-off vote on January 10 and 11, with final results expected on January 13. The new parliament will then pick a 100-member assembly to write a new constitution.

Voting for the upper house will be held in January and February.

(Additional reporting by Tom Perry, Marwa Awad, Yasmine Saleh and Tamim Elyan; Writing by Tom Pfeiffer; Editing by Louise Ireland)

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Egypt Revolts, heading for having its own Revolutionary Guard (like Iran)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 6 21:45:06 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Al-Arabiya

‘Egyptian Revolutionary Guard’ says it is inspired by Iran’s Khamenei

Tuesday, 03 January 2012

A group of young Egyptians launched a page on Facebook entitled “The Egyptian Revolutionary Guard” and their profile pictures show the Iranian flag with modified colors to match the colors of the Egyptian flag. Other profile pictures show the Egyptian flag where the picture of Ayatollah Kamenei replaces the eagle. These young Egyptians declared on their page that the Islamic revolution in Iran, led by Ayatollah Khamenei, is their source of motivation and inspiration.

Mustafa Barakat and Ali Rajab from “al-watan al-Arabi” magazine interviewed the members of this movement, who said that they were the first movement to hammer the wall built by the Egyptian armed forces in front of the Israeli embassy in Cairo and to storm the embassy. They also criticized the slow performance of the military council, saying that it that “does not fulfill the revolution’s objectives.”

In a call to Al Arabiya, the reporter Mustafa Barakat affirmed that the movement is currently calling for people storm the U.S. embassy on the 25th of January on the occasion of the Egyptian revolution’s first anniversary.

Mohammed l-Hadari, secretary of the Egyptian Revolutionary Guard, affirmed that the idea of establishing the Egyptian Revolutionary Guard evolved after the Egyptian revolution had erupted and when many alliances arose.

Al-Hadari said that the Egyptian Revolutionary Guard has 400 members from different ideological and religious backgrounds. This movement embraces Sunni and Shiaa Muslims, Christians, Arab nationalists, left-wing partisans and liberals.

“The Egyptian Revolutionary Guard is linked to many interior and foreign movements, including the Labbayka ya Akssa association and the international alliance to end the blockade on Gaza and other local Egyptian political movements,” al-Hadari said.

“However, the Egyptian Revolutionary Guard has no ties with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. But the goals behind the establishment of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard would be similar to those of the Egyptian Revolutionary Guard, namely, defending the revolution. We would be honored to see the Egyptian Revolutionary Guard as important as the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.”

The Egyptian Revolutionary Guard secretary said the movement aims to “allow Egypt to be a self-determined country that is not affiliated to any other country like the U.S. or any other state. The revolution’s main goal is to put an end to Egypt’s dependence on the U.S. and Israel. The political decision in Egypt always came from the White House or the Israeli Knesset and not from the presidential palace in Cairo. This is why we are trying to promote the independent decision of Egypt in all political, economic and military affairs.”

Al-Hadari said: “The revolution brought down the biggest U.S. and Israeli agent in the Arab world and we will hunt down all the agents affiliated with the state of arrogance and the Zionist entity. We want to bring Egypt back to the objecting sates because it is Egypt’s natural duty to resist the Zionist-American plan in the Arab region. This is a primary role that some Arab leaders are trying to impede by seeking to abort the Egyptian revolution. In fact, the success of the Egyptian revolution means the end of all those who are affiliated to the U.S. and the Zionist entity.”

In addition, al-Hadari confirmed that the political figures and movements that are affiliated to America and Israel are well known and that the Egyptian Revolutionary Guard will name them.

“They are all getting paid from foreign sources to impede the revolution and prevent the independence of the Egyptian political decision,” he said.

Concerning the arming of the Guard, al-Hadari affirmed that the Egyptian Revolutionary Guard will lead a military resistance by fighting in wars just as Nasrallah did in Lebanon or by supporting resistant factions in Palestine.

“We want to support the movements that are defying the Zionist-American project in the region in a bid to dismantle this plan and liberate the occupied Arab territory. We do not want to pressure them or limit their prospects as the ousted president did. In fact, Mubarak wanted to destroy the resistance when he imposed a siege on Gaza in compliance with the orders of his masters in Tel Aviv and the White House.”

Al-Hadari noted that some members of the Egyptian Revolutionary Guard were very influenced by the Iranian revolution, its values, goals and prominent role in supporting the Islamic resistant movements in Lebanon and Palestine.

“They were highly impressed by its efforts to resist the Israeli American project in the region.”

“We want to forge a political, economic and military alliance between Egypt and Iran. There’s nothing wrong in such an alliance between the biggest two powers in the region. Everybody sees in this alliance a threat to Israel that would eradicate the Zionist entity from the region. However, some western countries, mainly the U.S., and Israel would spare no effort to prevent any type of alliance and communication between Egypt and Iran, although the two countries share many common values that might impede the Zionist-American plan.”

Speaking of the Salafi movement, al-Hadari declared that the Salafi is not a revolutionary movement but rather a “materialistic” movement that tends toward financial benefits. “The Salafi movement adores the power’s hypocrisy. It revealed its intentions when it contacted the Zionist entity; this is why they will have no role to play in the Egyptian decision making in the future. We were not surprised to hear them praise the relationship with Israel, but the Egyptian people refuse to have any tie with the Zionist Entity”.

(Translated from Arabic by Stanela Khalil)

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Re: Egypt Revolts, heading for having its own Revolutionary Guard (like Iran)

Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jan 6 21:48:17 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts, heading for having its own Revolutionary Guard (like Iran), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 6 21:45:06 2012.

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So you're taking a group of young arabs...as the WHOLE of Egypt... good job.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, heading for having its own Revolutionary Guard (like Iran)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 6 21:50:39 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, heading for having its own Revolutionary Guard (like Iran), posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jan 6 21:48:17 2012.

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So you're taking a group of young arabs...as the WHOLE of Egypt

Don't be silly. The Revolutionary Guard isn't the whole of Iran by any stretch, but most of Iran agrees with them as most of Egypt agrees with this bunch.

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Re: Egypt Revolts, heading for having its own Revolutionary Guard (like Iran)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 6 21:54:55 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, heading for having its own Revolutionary Guard (like Iran), posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jan 6 21:48:17 2012.

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Good ... it'll keep him occupied instead of fretting about Iran while we continue to arrange for things to mysteriously blow up there without his approval. :)

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Re: Egypt Revolts, heading for having its own Revolutionary Guard (like Iran)

Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jan 6 22:05:04 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts, heading for having its own Revolutionary Guard (like Iran), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 6 21:50:39 2012.

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You really took that article and stretched it!

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 16 14:25:02 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by AlM on Sun Dec 18 20:40:43 2011.

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So now he is publishing a piece about abuses by the military as if to say "See what the US caused by supporting the liberals."

Funny how you contradicted yourself. You said it was supported by "Islamists and liberals" in the first paragraph you wrote. And then you try and twist things as well as put words in people's mouths that they didn't say. The results speak for themselves, BSer.

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Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse)

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 16 14:25:20 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts—Women Get Beaten Up With Metal Poles By Soldiers (and worse), posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 19 08:37:54 2011.

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YAWAS?

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Egypt Revolts, ends up with fuel shortages

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 16 14:28:28 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Try not to infer anything from the oil deputy minister's last name . . .

Reuters

Fuel shortage in Egypt leads to rising tensions

By Sherine El Madany
Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:44am EST
CAIRO (Reuters) — A gasoline shortage in Egypt has led to long queues at fuel stations and raised suspicions among drivers that it may be a prelude to a cut in subsidies, despite official reassurances that there is no plan to hike prices.

The streets of Cairo and other cities have been blocked by queues of cars, often snaking around the block, since shortages started becoming apparent on Saturday.

Many drivers have reached the pumps only to find fuel had run out, stoking tensions in a nation already reeling from months of political unrest and leaving many people frustrated that the uprising that ousted Hosni Mubarak in February last year has not yielded the economic dividend they expected.

"I have toured 15 gasoline stations looking for fuel," said Mahmoud Rabie, a merchant who travelled from his hometown in the Nile Delta province of Sharqiya, north of Cairo, to the capital searching for gasoline.

The shortages have prompted speculation that the government, which has asked the International Monetary Fund to help plug a gaping budget deficit, may be using a tactic to prepare people to pay more for fuel and rein in subsidies that weigh on state coffers. The government has said it has no such plan.

Some have speculated that it shows how dire Egypt's finances are as its foreign currency reserves have tumbled. Egypt exports crude but also imports some refined products to meet its needs.

Oil Deputy Minister Mahmoud Nazim said on Monday the government had no intention of raising gasoline prices and said that supplies to local markets had been increased.

"Companies providing petroleum products to stations have begun increasing their gasoline supplies to 5.21 million liters per day, 33 percent higher than usual quantities," Nazim said in an Oil Ministry statement.

But he did not explain the reason for the shortage.

Hoarding

Some analysts say that, whatever the original cause, it may have been exacerbated by hoarding for fear of a possible flare-up during the January 25 anniversary of the start of the anti-Mubarak uprising. Some fear renewed violence during protests by those opposed to the generals now in charge.

Gasoline station managers are puzzled.

"There is barely any fuel across the country. Quantities supplied to us are very low. We don't even know why," said Howaida al-Sayid, deputy manager at a Cairo Exxon Mobil station.

Egypt's economy is in tatters after a series of protests against the ruling military council turned violent, hammering investment and tourism.

Any jump in gasoline prices would put upward pressure on inflation, which is accelerating and was one of the main drivers of the January 25 uprising. Inflation in the 12 months to December climbed to 9.5 percent from 9.1 percent in November.

Several fuel station employees in Cairo said their stations were receiving only a third of their regular quotas, with queues piling up as early as 6 a.m. and supplies running out by noon.

"I told you to fill up my entire tank, and it's only half full," one customer shouted at a worker at one packed station.

Egypt, which subsidizes fuel, has about a fifth of its 80 million people living on $2 a day. The cheapest and lowest grade fuel, 80 Octane, is sold for just 1 Egyptian pound (17 U.S. cents) a liter, well below its market value.

"I have been searching in vain for gasoline since last night, and now that I have found a station that actually sells gasoline, I will fill up my entire tank," said Alaa al-Sheikh, manager of a garments factory.

"This shortage seems to either be a prelude by the authorities to hike prices or an attempt to prevent people from taking to the streets again on January 25."

Mounting public anger over what many see as the military council's mismanagement of the transition is seen as possibly sparking another flare-up of protests on the revolt anniversary.

"I believe this is just one problem created by the authorities to try and divert attention away from the January 25 anniversary," Sheikh said. "They are still following the exact same steps of the previous regime."

Analysts say the most pressing economic threat is the slide in Egypt's foreign reserves, which tumbled from around $36 billion at the end of 2010 to about $18 billion at the end of 2011.

(editing by Jane Baird)

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Egypt Revolts, gets Islamist as Parliament Speaker

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 16 15:28:50 2012, in response to Egypt Revolts!, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 28 16:01:55 2011.

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Islamist majority now at 69 percent (and they're still counting ballots!), but the liberals that are not in Egypt tell us not to worry while the liberals that are in Egypt are very worried.

Reuters

Islamist set to be Egypt's new parliament speaker

By Tamim Elyan
Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:01pm EST
CAIRO (Reuters) — Leading Egyptian political parties will back a senior figure in the Muslim Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party (FJP) for the assembly's speaker, with another Islamist group and a liberal party taking the deputy posts, an FJP official said on Monday.

The prime task of the new parliament, the first elected since an uprising swept Hosni Mubarak from power last year, will be to pick a 100-strong assembly to write a new constitution.

Liberals fear that sweeping gains by Islamists in elections will put faith-based parties in the driving seat and lead to more religious strictures.

Islamists insist they want an inclusive government and a constitution that represents all Egyptians.

"No political stream or popular group will be eliminated from this political process," said Emad Abdel Ghaffour, head of the Islamist al-Nour party. "The proportional weight of these parties and their competencies will be taken into consideration."

The FJP, which secured the biggest bloc in the parliamentary election, is proposing its Secretary-General Mohamed al-Katatni for speaker, its head Mohamed Morsi said after meeting other key parties.

"The parties meeting today have agreed to respect the popular will that formed the parliament and was expressed in the vote results," Morsi told reporters. "The party with the proportional majority would field a candidate for the parliament speaker post."

Under the agreement between parties which included liberal and Islamists groups, the two deputy speaker posts would go to the Nour party, runners up in the vote, and the party with the next biggest number of votes.

FJP is projected to secure 232 seats, or 46 percent, while the more hardline Nour party, which advocates the strict application of Islamic law, has 113 seats, or 23 percent.

Two liberal groupings, the Wafd Party and the Egyptian Bloc, are projected to come in third and fourth, but the full results of the staggered election that began in November have yet to be announced because votes in some areas are going to be run again.

Wafd, which trailed Islamists in the vote, wasn't part of the deal but said it will decide its position on Thursday.

"We weren't informed of anything and weren't part of any talks," said Wafd's secretary general Foad Badrawy. "The issue will be discussed on Thursday and we will decide."

The Egyptian bloc is an alliance of three liberal and leftist groups.

Members of parliament will choose the speaker and his two deputies when they gather for the first time on January 23.

(Reporting by Tamim Elyan; Writing by Edmund Blair and Sherine El Madany)

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