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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jun 19 02:46:05 2012, in response to Re: Egypt Revolts! Looks like we have more Military Rule, not Democracy, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Jun 18 17:56:06 2012. No country maintains a foreign policy that possibly results in that country going to war or being wiped off the face of the earth. This is a point that Olog and I actually agree on, foreign policies serve the interests of the country that is setting its own policy. One can debate whether a specific policy is actually beneficial, but you cannot deny the risks at stake for Israel with the Muslim Brotherhood running the show in Egypt. Should the US begin to recognize terrorist governments such as that of Hamas in Gaza because the people in Gaza voted for that government? By your logic, the answer seems to be yes. Are the Americans hypocritical and no longer a beacon of freedom and democracy because the US government doesn't recognize the democratically elected government within the Gaza Strip?Israel is still a beacon of freedom and democracy, the religious establishment does not have unilateral control over most governmental affairs on a daily basis and religious law does not rule the land. There are fair and free elections on a regular basis. People protests and are outspoken against the government. Minorities can vote and have political representation. Many of those things aren't happening in Egypt, because as you rightly point out, we are only 18 months in. But when an organization that first maintained it wouldn't field candidates and thinks that Egypt should be governed by religious laws wins a majority of the seats in parliament (and doesn't play by the rules to do it), do you really feel that good about the odds of those those defining aspects of democracy that exist in Israel today showing up in Egypt in the near future? I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd love to be wrong and can admit it when I am, but I think I have quite a bit of reason for being concerned that I might be right. Perhaps you should have tried to figure out Israel's official policy towards the Egyptian Revolution (to the extent it has one) before labeling Israel's policy, which is not all that different from that of other countries. This may not be a bad place to start, Google would be another. Paying attention to things such as WHY Israelis might be concerned about an Islamist government in Egypt before lambasting them for their concerns might get you a bit more respect around here when you enter in to these sorts of discussions. Also, not answering a single question about why you make the points you do is inconsiderate IMHO (I'd love to be proven wrong on this and actually have you answer the questions in this post which would allow me to understand why you feel the way you do about these issues, even if I don't end up agreeing with you). Frankly, I find it hard (and I sense others do, too) to have a reasonable discussion with you when you ignore what people actually have to say and the facts on the ground and instead just narrow in on a few choice words that you think will somehow prove the other person to be wrong. You don't only do it in this thread, you have done it in many others over the years. If you think people don't notice your tactics, you are wrong. |
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