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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 27 01:57:12 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Apr 26 10:46:02 2011. DONALD TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT! 
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 02:09:34 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by AlM on Tue Apr 26 16:17:10 2011. Trump wonders how Obama got into Columbia and Harvard. Well, Columbia and Harvard like to accept people who will succeed there rather than flunking out. It looks like they guessed right in accepting Obama. Maybe he got really good recommendations from professors at Occidental who said his academic ability was far greater than his grades would indicate.Percy Sutton, a black activist and civil rights attorney, went on NY1 and said that he and another activist played a role in getting Obama into Harvard. You know this, because you've been told 100 times. The interview with Sutton on ny1 is all over youtube. We'll never see Obama's grades. And even if we do and they're not as high as his supporters think, it still won't hurt his chances for reelection. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 02:12:27 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 26 17:17:54 2011. His skin color played a role in the GRADES that he earned?We don't know what GRADES he earned. We may never know. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 04:00:15 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 02:12:27 2011. He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School (which are the GRADES I was talking about). That implies high grades.You need to pay more attention to threads. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 04:48:46 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 04:00:15 2011. A civil rights attorney said, on NY1 that he helped get Obama into Harvard Law. He might have lied. If true, it sure seems to indicate that Obama got in as an affirmative action beneficiary.Would Harvard graduate Obama "magna cum laude" to have a black student who graduated with honors even if his grades weren't very high? Why not? It looks great. Especially if Obama's sponsors are from the civil rights/activist community. Harvard isn't the only school he attended. His Occidental and Columbia records are also being withheld. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 05:03:06 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 04:48:46 2011. A civil rights attorney said, on NY1 that he helped get Obama into Harvard Law. He might have lied. If true, it sure seems to indicate that Obama got in as an affirmative action beneficiary.Which doesn't mean anything here. Even if true, this would not have allowed him to attain high grades once in school as he would not be qualified. Generally schools admit people they expect would be able to succeed in school. "Succeed" can include people who just barely pass. Would Harvard graduate Obama "magna cum laude" to have a black student who graduated with honors even if his grades weren't very high? Why not? It looks great. Especially if Obama's sponsors are from the civil rights/activist community. LOL! Do you realize how these honors work? They are based EXCLUSIVELY on one's GPA. Nobody with even a 3.0 (in a standard grading system) is graduating magna cum laude. Sometimes there may even be an additional requirement that people be in a certain top percentage of their class. Unless of course you say that Obama's GPA was tampered with. But here's another piece of information: Law school exams are graded anonymously. The person grading the exam would not know who they're awarding the grade to. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 05:21:04 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 05:03:06 2011. Are they based EXCLUSIVELY on one's GPA? Or almost exclusively? Who can stop them from giving Obama such honors? The advancement and progress of blacks is a pressing issue. Has been for decades. So why not lower the standards for him and give him honors? That's what affirmative action is.Obama's own writings indicate that he was a bad student. Interesting that Harvard would verify that Obama graduated magna but not release the grades. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 06:00:58 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 05:21:04 2011. Are they based EXCLUSIVELY on one's GPA? Or almost exclusively? Who can stop them from giving Obama such honors?EXCLUSIVELY. There is absolutely no other criterion that qualifies one. There might be a criterion that disqualifies someone but no one without the threshold GPA or in the appropriate percentile group of the class is getting latin honors. Interesting that Harvard would verify that Obama graduated magna but not release the grades. Latin honors are printed on one's diploma. Grades are not. Grades are confidential. Releasing them without the student's permission is a violation of federal law. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 06:20:13 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 06:00:58 2011. Harvard did confirm that Obama graduated magna cum laude. That's going beyond verifying that he graduated from there. Why would they do that? Using your logic, it's almost the same as releasing his grades.Besides, Trump's claim is that Obama is an affirmative action admission to Harvard. He bases it on Obama's own words in "Dreams" where he talks about being a slacker in school and messing with pot and cocaine and the fact that a prominent civil rights attorney and activist said he was involved in getting Obama into Harvard. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 06:40:47 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 06:20:13 2011. Harvard did confirm that Obama graduated magna cum laude. That's going beyond verifying that he graduated from there. Why would they do that? Using your logic, it's almost the same as releasing his grades.Absolutely not. Once again, it's printed on the diploma, so it's not the kind of thing that's confidential. It's bizarre that you consider his entire transcript, with every single one of his courses and the grade earned to be equivalent. Besides, Trump's claim is that Obama is an affirmative action admission to Harvard. And I didn't respond to this claim. He bases it on Obama's own words in "Dreams" where he talks about being a slacker in school and messing with pot and cocaine Some people can "slack off" and still get good grades. Others work hard and get poor grades. People who are Harvard material generally are in the former group. and the fact that a prominent civil rights attorney and activist said he was involved in getting Obama into Harvard. "Getting Obama into Harvard" probably means writing a letter of recommendation. Those are generally useless. There's also the fact that this is some guy whom people haven't heard of for 30 years, so he's probably trying to latch on to a currently successful person. Then there's the invisible hand of the market. If Harvard Law School admitted and graduated unqualified candidates, employers would steer clear of hiring their graduates, which would cause potential applicants to choose other schools, further lowering their prestige and their ranking and hurting the school overall. Much more than bringing in token minorities would improve it. Once again capitalism solves the problem. This also applies to undergraduate schools, but to be fair, less so as they have a much larger number of students so they can fudge things more. I have read that Obama become more conscientious at Columbia. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 27 14:04:51 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 06:40:47 2011. Then there's the invisible hand of the market. If Harvard Law School admitted and graduated unqualified candidates, employers would steer clear of hiring their graduates, which would cause potential applicants to choose other schools, further lowering their prestige and their ranking and hurting the school overall. Much more than bringing in token minorities would improve it. Once again capitalism solves the problem.Not only that, but those universities also choose people based on their highest likelihood of success later in life based on their personality and achievements before admission. Kids with 4.0 GPAs are a dime a dozen. Kids with 3.7 GPAs who start charities, organize programs and make an impact on the community are much fewer and far between. It's the latter who get chosen over the former. They not only have grades that are good enough but also demonstrate the kind of drive in other aspects of life that almost guarantees their success later in life. This translates into donations for that college once they make it. It's a clear-cut investment decision. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 27 14:15:51 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 27 14:04:51 2011. Additionally when Obama was admitted universities really weighted test scores. I knew people admitted to universities and even offered scholarships based on their SAT score when they hadn't even applied. Also being black must have helped significantly. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 14:19:30 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by AlM on Tue Apr 26 12:52:18 2011. Not really. Trump will not win a single primary. Forget his antics, he simply isn't a conservative.Trump is more dangerous as a self-financed independent. That could screw the GOP, allowing Obama to win with 38 or 39 percent of the PV. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 27 14:23:15 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 14:19:30 2011. Yet you also claimed that GWB wasn't "really conservative" and he won twice. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 14:52:21 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 27 14:23:15 2011. Fiscally, not to my satisfaction. Socially, he was as conservative as they come. It's also not 2000 anymore. The Tea Party will NOT permit a presidential candidate that does not address profligate spending to win the nomination. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 27 15:06:45 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 27 14:15:51 2011. Additionally when Obama was admitted universities really weighted test scores.True. You didn't have as much grade inflation back then. Grades could tell you a lot. That's the not the case anymore in the era of classes 40 valedictorians. Aside from legacy admissions, all those other attributes are the make or break factors now. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 27 15:24:50 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 06:40:47 2011. I have read that Obama become more conscientious at Columbia.I'm sure he got good grades at Columbia and also good LSATs. Your points about the market are dead on. Harvard Law requires good coursework skills AND hard work to get through. They don't squander their admissions on people that they don't think can make it. Columbia might have given Obama some affirmative action points, but something about Obama's performance at Occidental must have been reasonably decent. It could simply be that when Obama says he was slacking off he means he wasn;t working up to his potential. Given that his potential was to ace Harvard Law School, that could have been pretty decent. maybe he's embarassed because he got a C or two due to slacking off. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 27 15:29:23 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by AlM on Wed Apr 27 15:24:50 2011. Columbia might have given Obama some affirmative action pointsI think that's a certainty unless he put down "white" on his application. The way that he ended up at Columbia is a little odd given that none of his friends at Occidental even knew that he had applied. I'm guessing that he applied under some program or maybe he blew the right person on one of his modeling gigs. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 27 15:38:39 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 27 15:29:23 2011. I'm neither a Birther or a Truther but I'm a Whoomper.What is the President of the United States hiding about this? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 15:55:19 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 27 14:15:51 2011. Also being black must have helped significantly.Absolutely. And in the case of being admitted into Harvard Law, we know that a well-known civil rights attorney, Percy Sutton, publicly stated that he played a role in getting Obama into that school. It's Obama's own words in "Dreams" that Trump is playing off of. He described himself as a slacker and occasional drug user. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 27 16:12:09 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 15:55:19 2011. And in the case of being admitted into Harvard Law, we know that a well-known civil rights attorney, Percy Sutton, publicly stated that he played a role in getting Obama into that school.Is that wrong? My nephew applied to UConn law school with a recommendation from the District Attorney of a sizeable Connecticut city. Should he not have done that because it was using influence? |
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Posted by johnl on Wed Apr 27 18:50:09 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by Charles G on Tue Apr 26 08:11:06 2011. Not at all. He’s going to be very entertaining, but doesn’t have a chance of being elected, so it doesn’t matter what he does. |
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Posted by johnl on Wed Apr 27 18:51:50 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 26 15:41:38 2011. Sanity was never the issue: whether she would know what to do with a clue if one were presented to her is. But entertaining nonetheless, with a great family backing act! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 27 19:19:34 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by johnl on Wed Apr 27 18:50:09 2011. He's already doing wonders for his ratings on "Celebitty whatever" ... :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 27 19:21:20 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by johnl on Wed Apr 27 18:51:50 2011. Well ... sanity was never a qualifier in that party ... but ya gotta admire the reality show is presenting ... wiped Snooki right off the map. :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 27 21:57:55 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 27 15:29:23 2011. Why would they have to know that he applied? Why would he tell them. I would (and have) told no one who doesn't need to know. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 27 23:11:20 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by SMAZ on Tue Apr 26 15:09:47 2011. hell..he doesnt even vote! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 28 04:05:13 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 27 14:19:30 2011. Trump could win a crazy state primary, like Minnesota or New Hampshire. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 28 05:39:22 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 28 04:05:13 2011. Iowa or New Hampshire. Something early to give his candidacy some legs.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Apr 28 10:07:44 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 27 04:48:46 2011. Wow Trump only has to say it and the crazy rumors abound. There is no evidence that Obama was not qualified for his place at Harvard and the fact that he graduated Magna Cum Laude (which is exceptionally difficult to do) testifies to his performance there.Are Republicans just naturally gullible, natural conspiracy theorists, or both? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 10:20:19 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by JayMan on Thu Apr 28 10:07:44 2011. Are Republicans just naturally gullible, natural conspiracy theorists, or both?Like the Democrats that think Bush blew up the WTC so he could go to war with Iraq. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Apr 28 10:50:00 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by JayMan on Thu Apr 28 10:07:44 2011. Yup - every Republican is convinced that a missile took out The Pentagon.Yup - every Republican is convinced that Prescott Bush planted explosives in the framework of the world trade center. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 28 11:06:24 2011, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 28 10:20:19 2011. Those Democrats aren't claiming they might run for President and doing well in the polls.If you claimed there was something fishy about Obama's school record, that would be no big deal. If trump was doing it and getting 3% in the polls, ditto. It's that someone who actually has good poll numbers is doing it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 16 13:26:20 2025, in response to Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 26 03:35:31 2011. Almost sounded like he wanted to run in 2012. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 16 01:58:29 2025, in response to Re: Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League, posted by Charles G on Tue Apr 26 08:11:06 2011. Only if you're a leftist.Sadly, there are too many leftists in the world now. |
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