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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 11:11:06 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Apr 6 06:32:13 2011.

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Your mother loves it..at least thats what she told me last night when she was BLOWING ALL OF MY FRIENDS.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 11:15:03 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Apr 6 06:32:13 2011.

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Your mother loves it..at least thats what she told me last night when she was BLOWING ALL OF MY FRIENDS.

Besides..you're so damn pitiful..whining like a little bitch..about how someone else behaves..

STFU before I BITCH SLAP YOU..PUSSY!
GROW UP..BE A MAN..THEN YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP PEOPLE LIKE I DO..INSTEAD OF WHINING..!

YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF,MUTHAPHUCKA.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 11:16:04 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 09:49:56 2011.

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He wouldn't..but you never know..so i always come prepared.

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Re: Nope.

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 11:22:42 2011, in response to Edwards! Is On A Tear, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 6 03:10:01 2011.

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nah..Im just watching..

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 6 11:34:19 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 11:04:31 2011.

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Edwards, in light of the past 2 days, do you really think that we need more inflammatory rhetoric? I would have thought that most of us here were tiring of the subject. Perhaps not.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 11:40:12 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 09:24:02 2011.

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STATING A FACT IS NOT RACIST! It not racist to point out that something is true, provided it is true and not a sweeping generalization. Saying "white men can't jump" is obviously not true and is racist. Saying blacks dominate sprint-based sports, and in fact many sports in general is NOT racist because it is a simple statement of fact.

If statistical statements (something that is true only on average, not of every last individual) are properly qualified as such, they are not racist or disparaging in and of themselves.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 11:43:50 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 11:40:12 2011.

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LuchAAA did not know that was a fact and was expecting you to bail him out which you did.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 11:44:40 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 09:29:26 2011.

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You most certainly can copy and paste from a PDF. Just go to tools and select text.

Without knowing what you're claiming specifically, I don't have anything to respond to. Rushton's and Jensen's discussion on brain size clearly indicate a correlation between brain size and IQ and increase trend in brain size as you go black -> white -> E. Asian.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 11:46:57 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 11:44:40 2011.

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Then you're trying to avoid a serious discussion, thanks for letting your intentions be further known.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 11:51:03 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 11:16:04 2011.

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Yup, here's a rule of thumb to any closet racist here, you should feel comfortable expressing it in Brownsville, if not, then you're a coward.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 11:51:14 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 09:33:51 2011.

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Yeah, and that's a drawback with the science about race differences: people jump to all sorts of (ill-founded) conclusions. Note to any and all black people here (all people in fact): evidence for race differences in intelligence and other traits only apply to group averages and have no bearing on individuals. I am not saying anyone is dumb because they are black (nor for that matter am I saying anyone is smart because they are white/E. Asian/Jewish). This, essentially, has nothing to do with YOU (everybody) as a person. But this has implications for society in general, something we would do well to understand and appreciate.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 6 11:51:24 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 6 11:34:19 2011.

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Steve this type of talk just rubbed him the wrong way and some others did nothing but help fan the flames.

Still i have read those links he posted i found something interesting reagrding "Brain Size"..

I wonder if anybody else read them or did they just accept them as "facts"?

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 11:53:35 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 11:51:03 2011.

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Excuse the incomplete post, I meant to say that if you don't feel that what you're saying is racist, then you should honestly be able to tell yourself that you'd feel comfortable saying it in an area like Brownsville.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 6 11:53:46 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 11:51:14 2011.

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I am not saying anyone is dumb because they are black (nor for that matter am I saying anyone is smart because they are white/E. Asian/Jewish). This, essentially, has nothing to do with YOU (everybody) as a person. But this has implications for society in general, something we would do well to understand and appreciate.

It looks like people are drawing thier own conclusions to what you are saying it seems...

You are quoting articles and soruces, are you making these articles as well?



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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 11:55:08 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 11:04:31 2011.

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I don't think white people are more prone to any of this (look at Africa today if you doubt this). It's just that white people have been more of a position to carry it out. Because of white dominance (partly due to their greater average intelligence) whites have made up more of your corporate sharks/politicians/kings/corrupt generals.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 6 11:56:05 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 11:53:35 2011.

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Jones you know good and well people who think like that will never admit to such a thing...

My dad used to say "Pay no mind to the ones who call you n****r" Its just them using a word....

Worry about the ones who may "think" it and you see them everyday..

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 6 11:57:04 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 11:55:08 2011.

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Now this has gotten even deeper..

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Re: Nope.

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 6 11:57:56 2011, in response to Re: Nope., posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 11:22:42 2011.

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Admit it you was livid the other day...

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 12:24:28 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 11:46:57 2011.

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Dude, how do you expect me to logically address what you're saying when all you said was that "the PDF file says that there are flaws in the theory" in "section that mention's Albert Einstein's brain" which, in context of our discussion, means zip (as it's far too vague)? When you have a specific claim, I'll give you a specific answer.

I find it interesting that you accuse me of avoiding serious discussion when I've answered every one of your questions/claims in clear detail...

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 12:27:26 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 6 11:53:46 2011.

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See here for the ultimate source of most of my claims.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 12:52:08 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 6 11:57:04 2011.

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Why?

There is evidence that indicates personality differences (again on average) between the races.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 13:19:08 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 12:24:28 2011.

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I don't know how to copy & paste a PDF file, and I did everything I could to present such passage short of copy & pasting it, if you don't want to see it that's fine.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 13:51:15 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 09:34:55 2011.

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Nah, just you. Reread the thread for proff. The entirety of your posts were based on your misunderstandings of what was being discussed. You then attacked me when all that I did was suggest that you didn't know what an IQ test measured which was later proven to be correct by your subsequent responses. Up to that point I hadn't even commented on JayMan's posts because I rarely read his posts.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 13:53:46 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 13:51:15 2011.

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You have no idea what you're talking about, it really gets your self-hating self off to know that you can talk big to a black person online huh?

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck? (semi-NSFW Videos)

Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 14:00:32 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 19:47:32 2011.

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To emphasize, perhaps they're intelligent in a different way not yet discovered due to differences in origin & misunderstandings of each race's thinking abilities.

As I mentioned, difference races have different average mental strengths irrespective of their average g-scores. One group who possess the lowest g-scores, even lower than most blacks, are the Australian Aborigines, who have an average IQ in the 60s. Yet, they are incredibly directionally oriented, and can point which way they are oriented geographically down to the inch (and that finds its way into their languages, even to the point that their languages are geocentric and not egocentric like ours are (you say not in front of oneself, but "north of oneself").

Blacks have a talent for improvisational creativity that lends itself to certain sports like basketball and football (especially on the defensive positions). Just look at all the things blacks do with language. In short, blacks are better at just coming up with shit on the fly.

Black stereotypes are worst than stereotypes for other races, and I think that instead of dwelling on them like you are, we focus on the positive & start to improve our image from there.

I'm not dwelling on the negative stereotypes, I just so happen to mention the negative ones. I could have (and perhaps should have) mentioned the positive black stereotypes as well, like black domination of many big-league sports (as long as they don't involve swimming), that blacks are better dancers; and that blacks are better entertainers: many of the best comedians are black, like one of my favorite comedians and surely one of the greatest of all time, Chris Rock, and others like Martin Lawrence, Cedric the Entertainer, D.L. Hugely, and even Snoop Dogg, who sure the hell put "The Situation" to shame on Donald Trump's Roast on Comedy Central—along with other legends like Richard Pryor or Eddie Murphy in his day.



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This talent for improvisation lends itself well to those careers. Blacks are also more extraverted and hence more charismatic (i.e. more socially/alpha masculine).

Naturally also some of the best cuisine is black, as I definitely prefer food from my home culture Jamaica—but then maybe I'm biased because I grew up on it. But, exactly opposite to IQ, cuisine is something that is negatively correlated with latitude, getting worse as you go away from the equator.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 14:04:53 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 13:19:08 2011.

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If select text doesn't show up on your Adobe toolbar, go to Customize Tools and make sure the box for Select Text is checked. Then click that button and you can highlight and copy and normal.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 6 14:10:10 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 12:52:08 2011.

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No you misunderstood what I meant. Deep as in discussion wise.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 6 14:13:49 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 12:27:26 2011.

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I seen those as well.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 14:14:16 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 13:53:46 2011.

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It's sad that you think that's "talking big". Would you like me to use smaller words or are you saying that you'd like to meet me in person?

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 14:16:50 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 6 14:10:10 2011.

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Hehe yes. Forgive me for perhaps being overly sensitive but I have been criticized by certain individuals a lot for posting what I did. But as you see, the matter of racial differences runs very deep, especially in multi-racial America, it cuts into many aspects of our lives.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 14:17:41 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 6 14:13:49 2011.

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OK. Just clearing up that I didn't make them up.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Apr 6 14:21:36 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 14:17:41 2011.

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No problem.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 14:24:38 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 14:14:16 2011.

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It's sad that you think that's "talking big".

Of course it is for a sad person like you.

Would you like me to use smaller words or are you saying that you'd like to meet me in person?

So you're gonna go the e-Thug route huh?

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 14:28:18 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 14:24:38 2011.

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I see that you're confused again. You're the one that brought up "online". FTR I'm neither a thug online nor in person, but unlike you I don't say anything online that I wouldn't say in person.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 14:29:05 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 14:28:18 2011.

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Well I rarely say stuff online that I wouldn't say in person and try not to.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 14:33:50 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 14:28:18 2011.

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You're the confused one boy, one minute you're a self-hating pitiful piece of shit, and the next minute you're a raging e-Thug to help you feel better about being the former.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 14:36:12 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 14:04:53 2011.

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Wow you're annoying

However, a Black-White
difference in brain size is not always found, as shown in a
compilation of data from the National Aeronautics and Space
Administration [111].


When brain size differences between Blacks and Whites are found, they may have environmental
causes.


There are several other anomalies for the race/brainsize/
IQ hypothesis. For example, the brain-size/IQ correlation
has not been shown to be causal. If bigger brains were
smarter because of their size, we would expect to find a correlation
within families. Siblings who get larger brains by
luck of the genetic draw should also be the ones who have
higher IQ scores. In fact, however, there is no such correlation.
Schoenemann et al. [114] found that the sibling with
the larger brain has no higher IQ on average than the sibling
with the smaller brain. Another anomaly is that Albert Einstein’s
brain was decidedly smaller, at 1,230 grams, than the
overall average found for Blacks in the studies by Rushton.
In Ecuador there exists a group of very short-stature individuals
whose head size is several standard deviations below
the mean [115]. These individuals have not merely normal
intelligence but unusually high intelligence, with a majority
being among the highest ranking in their school class.


Since 1 cubic centimeter of brain
tissue contains millions of brain cells and billions of synapses,
race differences in brain size help to explain their IQ
differences. Indeed, if the racial differences in brain size did
not relate to cognitive ability, it would be a mystery why
such differences in number of neurons would ever have
evolved since they are metabolically very expensive.




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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 14:36:18 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 14:33:50 2011.

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I see. At least we know where we stand. I'll let you have the last word, but I'm done for now.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 14:39:58 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 14:36:18 2011.

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If you're serious about that meeting me in person thing, next time you come to New York feel free to contact me & we can sort this out if you feel you have something to prove.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 15:18:37 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 14:36:12 2011.

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Rushton & Jensen wrote this paper as a point-by-point critique of the book Intelligence and How to Get It by Richard Nisbett, in which Nisbett doubts race differences—and individuals differences for that matter—in intelligence and the heritability of such. As such, Rushton & Jensen wrote this paper with Nisbett's words followed by their own rebuttal. What you quoted was Nisbett's (erroneous) claims about the connection between brain size and intelligence, which Rushton & Jensen in their following segment debunk, which summed up says:

1. Individuals with bigger brains do have higher IQ's than their siblings.
2. The size of Einstein's brain was measured after his death at 76 years of age! Brains shrink in adulthood so the comparison is misleading.
3. The short Ecuadorians do not perform better than their normal size compatriots but about the same. Besides, in addition to smaller brains, they also have smaller bodies, so their level of encephalization (brain size relative to body size) is the same.

The last paragraph you quote was the beginning of Rushton's & Jensen's response, which pretty much explains the situation with brain size and its relationship to intelligence.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 15:21:45 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 15:18:37 2011.

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"The American Psychological Association in a 1996 report stated that the US racial IQ gap was not the result of bias in the content or administration of tests, nor simply reflect differences in socio-economic status. They go on to state that cultural factors may be appropriate but have little direct empirical support, nor is there such support for a genetic interpretation, and that presently no one knows the cause of the differential."

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 15:24:59 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 15:21:45 2011.

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From the Wikipedia article "Race and intelligence".

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 15:26:45 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 15:21:45 2011.

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That is the official position of the APA (as of 1996), and within it does state that the evidence shows that test bias and poverty are not the causes of the achievement gap, and no evidence for cultural forces have been found. As for saying no one knows the cause that is, well, them being politically correct, for as you see in the paper, there is abundant evidence pointing to a considerable genetic component.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 15:31:43 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 15:26:45 2011.

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As for saying no one knows the cause that is, well, them being politically correct, for as you see in the paper, there is abundant evidence pointing to a considerable genetic component.

There are too many disputable factors in that statement for it to be true, at least according to the "Race and intelligence" and "Arthur Jensen" Wikipedia articles, which states that Arthur Jensen's funding sources are questionable, although I haven't read into why they're questionable yet.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 15:34:50 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 15:31:43 2011.

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Here are my sources: Arthur Jensen

Race and intelligence

It should be noted that some sort of dispute is going on about the 2nd article, but I have yet to quote something from it that wasn't cited by the editor.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 15:41:53 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 15:31:43 2011.

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A good general rule is that Wikipedia isn't a good place to get the final word on any topic for which there is academic controversy, because owing to its policy of neutrality it will present both "sides" of the argument, even if both sides do not deserve merit.

It's OK to be critical, as you should be. And, at this point, it is possible in principle for race differences in intelligence to due to environmental factors, but in light of all the evidence that is extremely unlikely. (If blacks are poor because they are oppressed or started poor, why are they poor the world over, even in countries that have been black-run for centuries, and why do other initially underprivileged groups, like Japanese indentured servants in Brazil, now do well?) You have to pose bigger and bigger stretches for that to be the case, and after awhile, Occam's Razor cuts more deeply.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 15:55:59 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 15:41:53 2011.

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A good general rule is that Wikipedia isn't a good place to get the final word on any topic for which there is academic controversy, because owing to its policy of neutrality it will present both "sides" of the argument, even if both sides do not deserve merit.

Wikipedia itself is a good place to get as much knowledge as possible on subjects like these, I think you're referring to some of the sources Wikipedia may use.

It's OK to be critical, as you should be. And, at this point, it is possible in principle for race differences in intelligence to due to environmental factors, but in light of all the evidence that is extremely unlikely. (If blacks are poor because they are oppressed or started poor, why are they poor the world over, even in countries that have been black-run for centuries, and why do other initially underprivileged groups, like Japanese indentured servants in Brazil, now do well?) You have to pose bigger and bigger stretches for that to be the case, and after awhile, Occam's Razor cuts more deeply.

I'd personally have to consider whatever other factors there may be besides intelligence before I can give a firm answer on that.

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 15:56:54 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 15:55:59 2011.

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Isn't it easier to irrigate in Brazil than it is in Saharan Africa?

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 16:02:31 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Apr 6 15:56:54 2011.

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Even if it is or isn't, what does that have to do with the differential achievement of different racial groups there (Brazil has blacks, whites, Native Americans, pardos that are a mix of the previous three and E. Asians living side by side; the hierarchy in terms of wealth and scholastic achievement still goes black -> brown -> white -> E. Asian there)?

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Re: Why Does Everything Suck?

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Apr 6 16:11:20 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 6 11:15:03 2011.

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