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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 16:43:01 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 16:39:32 2011. No it doesn't. The definition most definitely does say that one cannot be intelligent without knowledge. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 16:43:27 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 16:39:32 2011. oops, error in last post....No it doesn't. The definition most definitely does NOT say that one cannot be intelligent without knowledge. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 16:48:32 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 16:41:38 2011. They obviously felt strongly about JayMan's opinions on the issue, & JayMan should have realized that & assured them that he didn't mean to offend & that he personally doesn't agree with the statistics completely. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 16:50:14 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 16:43:27 2011. the ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one's environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria (as tests) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 16:51:24 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 16:48:32 2011. They obviously felt strongly about JayMan's opinions on the issue We've already been through this. They aren't his opinions. Unless there's some post(s) I missed. JayMan should have realized that & assured them that he didn't mean to offend No he shouldn't have, as from what I've seen, those "calling out" posts from Edwards!, Train Dude, and Railman718 are pure bullsh*t. I haven't seen every post in the thread so if you think that one or more specific "call out" posts were not pure bullsh*t, then please link them. & that he personally doesn't agree with the statistics completely. Huh? Where did he say that?! |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 16:51:35 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 16:50:14 2011. Take away the bolded part & there's no definition. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 16:53:35 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 16:51:24 2011. We've already been through this. They aren't his opinions. Unless there's some post(s) I missed.Stop being a wiseguy, you know what I meant. Huh? Where did he say that?! "Individuals should be judged on their own merit and not by the average properties of their group." |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 16:53:52 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 16:51:35 2011. Huh? It says APPLY knowledge, not HAVE knowledge. You can be very intelligent and have very little knowledge to apply. But you sure can apply that very little knowledge much better than most others because you are very intelligent. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 16:56:28 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 16:53:35 2011. Stop being a wiseguy, you know what I meant. No. Say what you mean. It's as simple as that. Don't instead say the direct opposite. Please repost, this time saying what you mean. "Individuals should be judged on their own merit and not by the average properties of their group." And how is that different from the statistics? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 16:57:44 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 16:53:52 2011. How does that disprove what I said? Knowledge is needed for intelligence no matter how much someone has. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 17:00:26 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 16:57:44 2011. You said intelligence stems from knowledge. But it does not. Intelligence can be used to apply knowledge, but it does not stem from it and it does not require it. And thus an IQ test does not measure knowledge as knowledge is not an indication of intelligence. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 17:01:59 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 16:56:28 2011. And how is that different from the statistics?I can't speak for those guys, but it seemed like they thought that he thought that as a result of the statistics he automatically assumes that most black people he meet are dumber than him, which is plausible if the statistic he posted are correct, but he rightfully (IMO) doesn't feel. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 17:02:58 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 17:00:26 2011. Intelligence can be used to apply knowledge, but it does not stem from it and it does not require it.No, knowledge is applied to create intelligence. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 5 17:03:40 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 16:41:38 2011. face it..the ONLY part you ever play in a drama is the QUEEN..What you DID manage to do was take a stand for SOMETHING..even though you are a jackass! i commend you for sticking up for your bullshit beliefs..after all..wasn't it not too long ago when everyone[including myself more than anyone] jumped to your defense when some asshole said all of you should be put in ovens? its okay..i know you guys very well..well enough to know better..well enough to know that you, morris..and whomever sided with "logic"..is so smart..that your STUPIDITY IS OVERFLOWING. Keep up the good work,devil. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 17:06:03 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 17:02:58 2011. No, no it's not. You need intelligence to be able to apply the knowledge. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 17:13:05 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 17:06:03 2011. Huh? Why would the definition of "intelligence" be: "the ability to apply intelligence to manipulate one's environment or to think abstractly as measured by objective criteria (as tests)"? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 17:18:53 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 17:01:59 2011. No, I think you are misunderstanding what's going on here. JayMan hasn't changed anything nor has he disagreed with any of his previous posts. He stated what the studies show. The studies apparently define the average intelligence of members of various races. The studies also give other related statistics (the shape of the bell curve, the size of the standard deviations, etc.). No where did he, or anyone else called a racist in this thread, say that you should automatically judge a specific person's intelligence based on these statistics! These statistics inform you about what is likely the case for any randomly selected person or group of people within a race. However, the statistics do not and can not tell you how intelligent any one specific person will be. And thus you should not use them to judge a specific person. If you want to know some specific person's intelligence, have them take an IQ test. If you want to estimate it, then you can observe their actions, however many other factors could get in the way of you getting a good estimate. So bottom line, no where did he or any of the other people called a racist say you should belittle or demean or be prejudiced against any specific person of any specific race based on these statistics. Not only is that wrong, but it's not what the point of these statistics are! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 5 17:19:00 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 16:42:49 2011. If I attack anyone here..it for a reason..no B.S..its straight from the heart.. no sugar coating..no nonsense..no "debating doubletalk" crap. This thread is DISRESPECTFUL not just to BLACKS,BUT to EVERYONE HERE with COMMON SENSE..and only a FEW were countering it.. i see most have headed for the hills now..and its okay..cause dirty work needed to be done and WE STAYED to do it! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 17:19:49 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 17:13:05 2011. Huh? I didn't say that. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 5 17:24:45 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 16:38:51 2011. RIGHT..now that he's flown away..who takes up his cause?the PEANUT GALLERY! Don't debate WITH HIM..slam him off several webwalls and be done with it..hes not doing it to LEARN anything.. he doing it to be a BITCH... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 5 17:26:04 2011, in response to Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Apr 3 03:59:53 2011. It's not everything. It's just this thread. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 17:35:02 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 16:24:29 2011. I've said this once before, granted you probably didn't know that, but I try to avoid repeating the things I don't have to. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 17:41:00 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 17:35:02 2011. Thanks for confirming what I just told Osmosis Jones. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 17:47:18 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 17:18:53 2011. Thanks for clarifying the misunderstanding, but I'm still questioning JayMan's intentions after he failed to prove how brain size correlates to mental capacity or even mental ability. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 5 17:47:23 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 16:30:29 2011. No. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 17:48:03 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 17:35:02 2011. That's from a thread made nearly a month ago, what does that have to do with this specific discussion? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 5 17:48:31 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 16:42:49 2011. It's not wrong if there's a legitimate beef. I'm pretty sure we settled that, so there's no need for any attacks by either of us. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 5 17:50:35 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 16:48:32 2011. I actually agree with this. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 17:52:21 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 17:47:18 2011. Thanks for clarifying the misunderstanding, You're welcome. but I'm still questioning JayMan's intentions after he failed to prove how brain size correlates to mental capacity or even mental ability. Whoa, that's a whole separate issue. You're going to need to provide links and background info. Regardless, I think it's pretty clear that many of your assumptions about JayMan and the rest of us were incorrect. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 5 17:53:22 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 16:50:14 2011. One can have the ability to apply knowledge, without actually having any knowledge. It's like being able to drive a car, but you don't have a car to drive. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 17:54:14 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 17:19:49 2011. But you're ignoring the word "knowledge" in the definition for whatever reason. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 5 17:55:07 2011, in response to Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Apr 3 03:59:53 2011. Are you proud of yourself now? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 17:55:15 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 17:48:03 2011. Um...he said a month ago the same statement that he just said now - the statement that was followed by you and others claiming that he was just now changing his tune, asking for sympathy, etc. You and the others were incorrect - that was always his tune. It was obvious all along that he wasn't being a racist. But that month old post should prove it to you. That, and the post I made where you thanked me for clearing up the misunderstanding. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 17:56:11 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 5 17:53:22 2011. Nice. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 17:56:22 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 5 17:48:31 2011. Agreed. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 17:57:49 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 16:13:08 2011. This:An IQ test measures how much you know compared to others in your age group Does not equal this: a score determined by one's performance on a standardized intelligence test relative to the average performance of others of the same age The first statement specifically declares that IQ tests measure knowledge. The second statement declares that IQ tests measure performance. There's a difference. IQ tests, at least the more g-loaded tests, do not measure knowledge, they measure reasoning ability, that is your ability to figure things out and understand, not what you have learned. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 17:58:01 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 17:54:14 2011. No I'm not. I addressed it quite clearly, several times!It says APPLY knowledge, not HAVE knowledge. You can be very intelligent and have very little knowledge to apply. But you sure can apply that very little knowledge much better than most others because you are very intelligent. Intelligence can be used to apply knowledge, but it does not stem from it and it does not require it. And thus an IQ test does not measure knowledge as knowledge is not an indication of intelligence. You need intelligence to be able to apply the knowledge. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 17:58:11 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 17:52:21 2011. Whoa, that's a whole separate issue. You're going to need to provide links and background info. Regardless, I think it's pretty clear that many of your assumptions about JayMan and the rest of us were incorrect.White people do have larger brains than blacks, on average. Also, twin and adoption studies have shown that home background (between different homes in the developed world, at least) has little to no effect on IQ, especially g. Smart children do tend to have smart parents, but that is entirely due to heredity. Read every response too before you respond. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 17:59:13 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 17:57:49 2011. Yep. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 17:59:29 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 5 17:53:22 2011. But you know the basics, like the steering wheel controls the car, and pedals accelerate & brake the car. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 18:01:47 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 17:55:15 2011. I forgot about that post, and neither Train Dude, Edwards!, or Railman718 respond to that post, and there's no proof that they read it. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 18:03:14 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Tue Apr 5 17:57:49 2011. IQ tests, at least the more g-loaded tests, do not measure knowledge, they measure reasoning ability, that is your ability to figure things out and understand, not what you have learned.I must have taken a fake IQ test when I was younger then because I don't see how a multiple choice test can measure the two. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 18:03:38 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 17:58:11 2011. Sheesh, he doesn't provide proff for ONE of his "facts" and all of the sudden that throws into doubt everything he's said so far, when he's provided the proff for all of those other statements? Just ask him again to provide the backup for that one fact. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 18:04:30 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 18:03:38 2011. Not necessarily, but it made he question his intentions. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 18:05:49 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 18:01:47 2011. I forgot about it too! But I was still able to deduce that he wasn't being a racist in this thread. I used logical reasoning and rational discussion and my knowledge of him not being anything like a racist in the past. So your reason doesn't hold water. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 18:05:52 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 17:58:01 2011. And you misinterpreted it all three times. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 18:08:00 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 18:04:30 2011. I don't think it should have. Not by a long shot. Still, you did nothing to stifle the disgusting statements coming from the people calling several of us racists. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 18:08:20 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 18:05:52 2011. No I didn't. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 18:11:21 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 18:05:49 2011. I used logical reasoning and rational discussion and my knowledge of him not being anything like a racist in the past.I didn't think he was racist either until I saw the brain size post. So your reason doesn't hold water. It holds true until Train Dude, Railman718, and Edwards! can confirm that they even read the post. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 18:14:15 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Apr 5 18:11:21 2011. I didn't think he was racist either until I saw the brain size post. But why would that post make you think that? And why would you continue thinking that?? He's shown beyond any doubt that he has sources for all his statements and he conducts himself in an utmost respectable manner. So....? And you would believe Train Dude, Railman718, and Edwards! over JayMan?!?! Wow. It holds true until Train Dude, Railman718, and Edwards! can confirm that they even read the post. Huh? |
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