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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 6 21:49:24 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 5 22:21:35 2011. It was a actually a pretty good game. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 21:50:55 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 6 21:49:24 2011. I missed it because I changed channels. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 6 22:17:54 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 6 16:15:28 2011. If that's supposed to mean me, then you're wrong, which isn't surprising.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Apr 6 22:22:46 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 5 21:16:27 2011. You hit that nail right on the tip!! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 6 22:25:06 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 6 22:17:54 2011. T'wasn't me who said Jayman was throwing pearls at swine. Of course, if the loafers don't fit, don't force them on. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 6 22:35:42 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 6 22:25:06 2011. Of course, in reference to the idea that you weren't interested in any of the links he provided for you to review, which I knew you would not because you're not interested in facts.For future reference, if I agree with someone's POV I say "I agree" and if I disagree I say "I don't agree". In typing out this explanation, it is me who is now casting pearls at swine. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 22:36:46 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 5 15:19:50 2011. Thank you. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 6 22:41:04 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 6 22:35:42 2011. Man who spit in mirror spit in his own face! |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 6 22:45:46 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 6 22:41:04 2011. Man who run behind bus get exhausted!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 6 22:54:49 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 6 16:16:12 2011. My turn.
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 6 23:35:59 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 20:41:26 2011. Now you're really complicating things. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Apr 7 00:22:57 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 20:34:48 2011. Semantic arguments typically suck. But sometimes they are necessary, as it is here. As I did with defining atheism, sometimes the language is too clumsy to handle a concept, sometimes inadvertently, other times, as in this case, on purpose.Tying the meaning of racism, which, as I correctly defined it, means hatred of other races, to an empirical statement about genetic racial differences is foolish, because what if they turn out to be true? Would believers in the truth be required to be racists? This was done, as I said before, out of revulsion to Nazism and other racist doctrines rather than for any empirical reason about race differences. Tying a moral claim (racism and the correct vilification of such) to and empirical claim (race differences) is wrong, and is only a way to create intellectual dishonesty. In anycase these definitions are rather bad, barely coherent even, and let's take a look at each one: wikipedia - Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race, ethnicity, or nationality are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities I'm really having a hard time understanding what this is actually trying to say. Genetic factors which constitutes race, etc...? All "genetic factors" comprise the human species, and are naturally going to comprise race. This is tautological. They are by definition (a meaningful definition) the primary determinant of human traits and capabilities. All human traits are affected by genes. and that ethnic differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. Again, ignoring the garbled first part, differences will mean that on average some races do have edges in certain things. While of course, this says nothing about what race is superior or inferior (what would that mean anyway?), this is again tying a moral doctrine to a potentially true fact about the world. As does this definition: dictionary.com- a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, With the note that one's race has no bearing on any given individual's achievement, so that is perhaps the one falsehood that can be extracted for an otherwise valid empirical claim. And this definition: Webster - : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits Is again meaningless. All humans belong to some race (even if an admixed one) and are going to have traits that are found in his or her race. This is again tautological. If they mean to say all races have distinct traits, or that there is no overlap between traits, then this is true of some traits, and false with others. If we're talking about say, hair texture, "nappy" black hair is only found in sub-Saharan Africans and a few other groups, like Australoid peoples; where as colored hair, for the most part, is only found among whites. For most other traits, there is incredible overlap in bell curves, so that the old politically correct mantra that there is more variation within a group than there is between groups is true. Such is the case for traits like intelligence. usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. See above. What is the meaning for superiority? But honestly, defining racism as meaning "believing potentially true facts about race" is as silly as defining sexism as believing that there are no differences between the sexes. This would make anyone who profess the (correct) beliefs that men typically don't like to shop (unless there is hardware, electronics, sports gear or porn involved) and women typically don't enjoy sports. Or even more banal statements like women are shorter than men, on average. Does that make women inferior? but as this is an emerging field of sorts, and conclusions are not yet finalized I don't know what your rush is to lecture everyone on the latest HBD theories. No science is ever "finalized" as we can always stand to learn more. That doesn't mean we can't make statement about the world. This is a type of appeal to ignorance: because we don't know everything, we know nothing, which is obviously a fallacy. And this science is not really new, the evidence for race difference goes back nearly a century. And oddly enough, new evidence only continues to confirm the older findings. Could we stand to learn more? Yes. Do we know what genes are involved in creating in intelligence? Not all of them, no. Do we know exactly how the genes interplay with the environment to form the finished person? No. Can we still make statements of how heredity affects intelligence and other behavioral traits? Most certainly yes. We do have solid evidence for how genes affect intelligence and behavior, and we do know there are genetic difference between the races (obviously), and we have considerable evidence that genetic difference determine a great deal of the differences between the averages between the races. The facts that we have do not go away because we do not have all the facts (nor do they in any science). |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Apr 7 00:42:32 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 20:41:26 2011. Actually... while it's true that most black people that most people outside of Africa know are descendants of West Africans, hence the traits we associate with "black" are actually "West African," there is enough distinction between West and East Africans that, if we lived in a smaller world, we could call them different races. "Race" by nature is a fuzzy concept, with no defined size or boundaries, merely an extension in a classification scheme that is somewhere between "family (of relatives)" and "species". Individual West Africans and East Africans are after all most closely related to other West and East Africans, respectively, than to members of the other groups. Indeed, Africa (as the birthplace of humanity) has more genetic variation than any other continent. So it is fair to say that the difference between West Africans and East Africans, as far as their sporting ability and other traits, is race based, just to a different degree than we normally think of the word. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Apr 7 00:44:20 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 6 22:35:42 2011. I read the links Fred and all it did was reinforce my opinion..The one about Brain Size gave me a chuckle... To me it looks like anybody can say something somebody else agrees with it and some people will accept it as facts... Thats my take on it. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Apr 7 00:48:17 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Railman718 on Thu Apr 7 00:44:20 2011. You do realize that there are studies behind the claims made on the links, yes? It's not like the researchers were just making it up.Even Richard Nisbett, who is critical of race (and individual) differences in intelligence (and who Rushton and Jensen sought to debunk in their paper) concedes that brain size is correlated with IQ. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 7 00:52:57 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Railman718 on Thu Apr 7 00:44:20 2011. The Brain Size thing comes, in part, from skeletal experts, who can look at a skeleton at tell you in 15 seconds, what race it belongs to. These experts have determined that the cranial cavity sizes are different between whites and blacks.And why not? If black men on average can have a bigger certain organ, why can't whites have other body parts that are bigger? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 7 01:14:57 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 14:16:50 2011. sure ..we can see "the differences"..thats WHAT makes US UNIQUE! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Apr 7 01:17:48 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Thu Apr 7 00:48:17 2011. Im very well aware of that. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Apr 7 01:18:37 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 7 00:52:57 2011. And why not? If black men on average can have a bigger certain organ, why can't whites have other body parts that are bigger?Did you read it? |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Apr 7 01:19:20 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 7 00:52:57 2011. The Nazi's were big into measuring the cranial sizes of different races. They considered it to be scientific evidence of their superiority. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 7 01:25:03 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Apr 6 16:32:03 2011. Sorry,son..MUCH YOUNGER..much much younger.no..YOU STARTED this nonsense with your bitchassness.. I did EXACTLY what any ADULT HERE should have done..check dat ass! now..if you are insulted..GOOD. NEXT TIME..ILL PLANT MY FOOT SO FAR UP YOUR ASS,YOU'LL NEED SURGERY TO REMOVE IT. PHUCKOUTTA HERE with that whining crap. stop being a bitch for these cats here..money dancing for them.. I can't STAND A NIGGA[IGNORANT BITCH]..and thats YOU. Stand up for yourself..free your mind..have some pride about yourself! BE PROUD OF WHO YOU ARE..! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 7 01:26:10 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Easy on Thu Apr 7 01:19:20 2011. that's true. but their motives were different. in the honest studies cited by Jayman, I don't think they are trying to establish racial superiority. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Apr 7 01:34:09 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 7 01:26:10 2011. I think that they likely are although perhaps for scientific reasons rather than social. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 7 01:42:51 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Apr 6 17:47:15 2011. I've NEVER fallen "victim" to a black on black crime.The "issue" your adressing is common EVERYWHERE,not just in neighborhoods where black dwell. If it were as bad as you say..why are white moving BACK into hoods like BED STY..BUSHWICK..WILLIAMSBURG..BROWNVILLE..and so on? You can't hide who you are.. If you created your post for reasons that were seeking SOLUTIONS to the youth problem availing in our neighborhoods..then I would agree that they NEED something to do with all that free time. But if you look at the world..see the PROBLEM they have to look forward to..YOU can understand where some of that anger MIGHT come from.. Im NOT excusing any deviant behavior..anyone over the age of 3 knows better..KNOWS RIGHT FROM WRONG. I've dated white women..they are no different that any other I've dated!They are just as fickle..just as bossy..just as much as a pain in the butt as all the rest. Learn to deal with your surroundings..people come in all shapes and sizes..with all type of "tudes"..this way you wont need to complain about other behavioral issues around you. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 7 01:46:06 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Easy on Thu Apr 7 01:34:09 2011. I guess a racist would like to read the highlights of these IQ studies to strengthen their own prejudices. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 7 01:56:08 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Apr 6 20:02:22 2011. He IS,isnt he? |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Apr 7 01:56:08 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 7 01:46:06 2011. Something like that. And creates new ones. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 7 02:04:13 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by JayMan on Wed Apr 6 20:23:12 2011. Thats the thing,fella..How IS IT RELEVANT What does it matter to You other than seeing the reaction of US? Why would You want us to "change our thinking in light of a few NEW IDEA'S",knowing fully that some here would find your content objectionable? Why haven't you answered ANY of my qweries concerning the emergence of the white race out of the Caucus Mountain range?Their activities thereafter and the results of their inter mingling/interactions with others? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 7 02:05:14 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 7 00:52:57 2011. that is gross..you HAD to take it there? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 7 02:10:06 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Railman718 on Thu Apr 7 01:17:48 2011. I am also aware that the lowest common denominator is always used to show someones "lack of" anything..LIKE I SAID..all those "studies" were made by LIKE MINDED people with the same agenda..so they are only good for use as TOILET PAPER. Lets see em "study" what I ate 24 hours ago. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Apr 7 04:34:02 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 7 02:10:06 2011. Lets see em "study" what I ate 24 hours ago.HAHA!! |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 7 04:54:01 2011, in response to Throwing Pearls at Swine (was: Re: Why Does Everything Suck?), posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 5 11:49:58 2011. Since you read the links Jayman provided, why not point out the excerpts that I agree with?I'm sure even a simpleton like you could do that. Just copy and paste. I'll be waiting. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 7 05:19:07 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 20:45:51 2011. LOL, Florence = northern Italy. :Pyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Apr 7 08:20:30 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by SMAZ on Thu Apr 7 04:34:02 2011. Ditto |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Apr 7 10:31:45 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 7 01:14:57 2011. Very true (also tautological). |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 7 10:47:33 2011, in response to Throwing Pearls at Swine (was: Re: Why Does Everything Suck?), posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 5 11:49:58 2011. "Throwing pearls at swine" = "Throwing information to someone with his fingers in his ears"Too funny how you misread things. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Apr 7 10:47:39 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 7 01:46:06 2011. Yes. Sadly evidence for race differences is going to be inevitably hijacked by racists to bolster their despicable agendas.The Brain Size thing comes, in part, from skeletal experts, who can look at a skeleton at tell you in 15 seconds, what race it belongs to. These experts have determined that the cranial cavity sizes are different between whites and blacks. Indeed. Also now we have MRI data from living people which is much more accurate and only strengthens the correlation. And why not? If black men on average can have a bigger certain organ, why can't whites have other body parts that are bigger? Indeed, but in light of racist agendas, the official doctrine has been that race differences don't exist or are inconsequential, and proper thinking people are supposed to believe that despite what our "lyin' eyes" tell us, to quote Richard Pryor. Out of fear of rampant racism we're supposed to pretend that we'll all the same—the more same the better—so that racists don't get one bit of ammo for their nonsense. But the truth is going to come out one way or another. Best to seize on it now, convey it in an accurate manner to take it away from the racists that would seek to misuse it. If this became widely known, would we hear more racist clap trap? Yes, for a while. It will pass, as people get used to the idea and what it means and what it doesn't. And as I said before, pretending it doesn't exist isn't going to change any of the facts on the ground, better to take a more realistic approach to what is going on. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Apr 7 10:56:23 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 7 02:04:13 2011. I've talked about the possible evolution of Eurasians here.It is relevant when you consider our policy on education (especially how we hear that "America is falling behind in the world scholastically" when that is NOT true), crime, socialism (health care, welfare, etc....) and even breeding, when you consider who is breeding and how often. These are things that need to addressed more objectively to benefit everyone involved. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 7 11:07:34 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 6 22:54:49 2011. 
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Posted by Easy on Thu Apr 7 11:32:39 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 7 05:19:07 2011. I know, but I responded to a post before that distinction was discussed. Luch originally said "Italians". |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 7 11:37:51 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Easy on Thu Apr 7 11:32:39 2011. Yeah I know, but hadda bring in that popular theme. I'm cool like that :Dyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Apr 7 15:42:00 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 6 20:45:51 2011. Also note that it was brown people, in the Middle East, not white people, who invented civilization. Progress is not just a function of the average intelligence of the people but of the environment they find themselves in and random events. But then, we don't know what the average IQ's of ancient peoples were, so they could have been different from today's people (if for at least no other reason, having agriculture). |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Apr 7 17:07:59 2011, in response to Re: Throwing Pearls at Swine Again, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 7 04:54:01 2011. Perhaps a dolt like you doesn't grasp the concept but I already did. By you referring to his links as pearls you implied value or wisdom. You've implied agreement with them. I have been consistent on this issue. I do not care to read his links. I do not care about studies that show one race superior or inferior to another. I deal with people as individuals.Now I realize that people like you cannot pass up the opportunity to try to prove some races inferior. If that's what makes you happy, then you read all the links that prove what you want to hear. I'll wallow in my ignorance of seeing individuals as individuals. Sorry fred but I'd rather not play in your mud. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 7 17:16:39 2011, in response to Re: Throwing Pearls at Swine Again, posted by Train Dude on Thu Apr 7 17:07:59 2011. LOL, it went over your head and I'm not surprised. That's ok, there's really nothing that will change my opinion of your intellectual prowess. Lotsa luck, needledick.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Apr 7 17:25:51 2011, in response to Re: Throwing Pearls at Swine Again, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 7 17:16:39 2011. Same to you, need-a-dick |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 7 17:31:04 2011, in response to Re: Throwing Pearls at Swine Again, posted by Train Dude on Thu Apr 7 17:25:51 2011. Whatever you say needles.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Apr 7 20:30:39 2011, in response to Re: Why Does Everything Suck?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 7 11:07:34 2011. HAHA!!RAZE IT NOW!! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Apr 7 22:00:32 2011, in response to Re: Throwing Pearls at Swine (was: Re: Why Does Everything Suck?), posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 7 10:47:33 2011. cast pearls before swine (literary)to offer something valuable to someone who does not understand that it is valuable Giving him advice is just casting pearls before swine. He doesn't listen. http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/cast+pearls+before+swine Follow the URL Fred or am I just casting pearls before swine? |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 8 03:06:39 2011, in response to Re: Throwing Pearls at Swine (was: Re: Why Does Everything Suck?), posted by Train Dude on Thu Apr 7 22:00:32 2011. Thanks for proving my point!your pal, Fred |
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