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Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 2 23:24:35 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Apr 2 23:22:17 2011. No, I hadn't. Thanks! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 2 23:25:30 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 2 23:22:45 2011. I don't know. It's probable. If I had to guess without looking which North/South American City was the most European, BA would be a good bet.Montreal looks pretty North American. Quebec City is unique and might look like a smaller European city. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Apr 3 01:41:17 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 2 22:47:04 2011. Possibly.Montevideo in Uruguay may come close too. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Apr 3 10:24:40 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Apr 2 20:12:03 2011. Yeah, that's a wired ass response on his part. The 2A is pro civilian ownership. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 3 10:42:21 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Apr 3 10:24:40 2011. Reread his post. Didn't detect a bit of sarcasm there? |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 11:42:41 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 2 12:02:10 2011. Would you, Jayman let your white girlfriend walk around alone in South Africa?Of course not. Common sense would argue that. I think some things need to be cleared up here. I realize that my talk of racial differences and my simultaneous decrial of racism may seem incompatible, and that has been the source of the confusion about my position, and I should have cleared this up earlier. Let me elucidate: Racism is the hatred, denigration and/or oppression of other races. Race realism is the acknowledgment of the facts about racial groups and the differences between them. The two are distinct. Racism should be condemned where ever it shows up, but race realism should be accepted as with any fact about the universe. The latter can sometimes lead to the former, especially if used to espouse some supremacist view and not as an accurate statement of the facts. Here's an example of the difference: saying "I hate niggers!" is racist; correctly pointing out that blacks (at least of West African origin anyway, where most blacks outside of Africa can ultimately trace their roots to, being the source of most African slaves) are taller on average than whites and drop out of school more often is race realist (although I prefer plain realist). The problem however, and what you guys suffer from (and most of society for that matter), is that an effort to not seem racist, you pretend that race does not exist or is irrelevant, or that there are no inborn differences between the races, the former of these certainly false and latter of these almost certainly false as well. But, race denial is the "acceptable" way of thinking. The prevailing view is one of "biological egalitarianism;" that there is more variation within a race than there are between the races, and those between group differences are only skin deep. This view holds that all groups are equal to one another, particularly in average cognitive abilities and distribution of temperaments. This is false; genetic and medical evidence clearly demonstrates differences between the groups, and evidence for differences in psychological traits also exists, and evidence strongly suggest that these have genetic roots. The story of this change is largely a study in human evolution—the final leg of this evolution. In current scholarly and public discourse this topic is taboo; the official doctrine is that all human evolution stopped about 40,000 years ago. But a quick look at a map of the global prevalence of lactose intolerance shows that this is clearly not the case: You'll see me talk about race a lot, while ardently combating racism. I talk about race and race differences because it does explain a lot of the issues with society, and heavily impacts policy, from the obvious things like immigration and to education, to less obvious segments like taxation, poverty—both on a national and global scale, health care, socialism, perhaps even the financial meltdown. Race does matter. Where political and social commentators make their mistake—particularly conservatives—is that you criticize ills suffered by darker people and act as if the fact that they are darker people has nothing to do with the problem (because to suggest so be so racist). Unfortunately that's not productive. But, if this desire to not appear racist keeps rampant racism from returning, even if means suppression of the facts about race differences, perhaps it is a worthwhile trade off. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 11:44:42 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 2 12:08:18 2011. Actually I would like to visit South Africa at some point, but I'd thoroughly research it first and stay only at the places that are reasonably safe. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 11:52:05 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 2 12:13:41 2011. I didn't bring it up. You're injecting something that wasn't there to begin with.You're talking about the violence happening in South Africa (caused by blacks) and the breakdown of its government (also caused by blacks). Best to leave the topic alone if you're not willing to factually discuss its causes. Ignoring the source doesn't make it any better. >>>>>the statistics about the violence in the now black-led South Africa are consistent with the violence in other black countries, particularly those that are urbanized/have white people present I didn't say "black-led". I said "communist-led". Why do you insist on bringing race into it? >>>>>>The demands of white developed society only exacerbates this problem You're bringing race into it again. Are you just racist or something? I said nothing about race. See here. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 11:55:55 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 2 12:15:21 2011. LOL! Right we're talking about the problems in South Africa after the blacks took power and I'm the one injecting race into the matter.Yes, see here. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 12:17:00 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 2 12:44:48 2011. Because people like you always make it an issue to win an argument. Remember when Starbucks was a civil rights issue and the CEO had to meet with black leaders and promise to open some locations in black neighborhoods?I'll direct you to a post I made on ABCNews.com talking about the effects of statistics: I’m sure the author of this article clearly wanted to say a lot of things that he could not or would not say for various reasons. But this is an excellent treatment of the effects of a partial overlap on bell curves – notably, greater disparity on the extremes. As Larry Summers pointed out while president of Harvard (and subsequently fired over), this may explain the dearth of women at top posts – for IQ, while the mean is the same for both sexes, the standard deviation for males is larger. This would mean proportionally more men at both ends of the IQ curve. This would naturally lead to more male eminent scientists and is possibly part of the reason they are more male heads of Fortune 500 companies. (Ladies take heart, because this cuts both ways: there are many more males in special education classes as well.) As far as racial differences are concerned, for reasons that are not yet completely clear, there is a disparity between the mean IQ’s of different groups, blacks and Latinos scoring worse than whites, who score lower than East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews. This would, on its own, lead to the underrepresentation in blacks and Latinos in prestigious occupations, though no doubt other forces such as poverty are at play. This is why it is so important to understand statistics before one enacts policies meant to alleviate any perceived inequalities. (As an addendum the mean IQ of the sexes is not the same as it seems men do have a 5 point advantage.) I'd disagree with a lot of the actions of black advocacy groups (such as doing away with testing for law enforcement or fire/rescue because blacks can't make the grade). So, why is someone who is as racially charged as yourself, dating a white female. Speaks volumes about your opinion of black females. I never made it a secret that I am, in general, not attracted to black women. But then, I am a mixed-breed of at least three different racial groups, who knows what the source of the trait is. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 3 12:17:20 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 11:55:55 2011. I'm pretty sure that his primary concern with SA is communism. You assumed that he meant race when he didn't. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 3 12:19:08 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 3 12:17:20 2011. His primary concern with everything is communism. He sees communists behind every woodpile. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Apr 3 12:21:42 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 3 12:19:08 2011. He thinks there are creepycommies under his bed with venom dripping fangs. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 12:24:43 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 2 12:25:28 2011. See here. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 12:36:10 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 2 16:07:52 2011. The reason is that that word is spoken for. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 3 12:57:50 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 3 12:19:08 2011. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 13:01:03 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 2 20:49:08 2011. Like Snooki is an Italian American...(even though she is) |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 3 13:05:42 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 13:01:03 2011. She's actually Hispanic. She was adopted. I learned that from subchat. :) |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 3 13:16:41 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 12:36:10 2011. It would require the geographic adjective but used alone "aborigine" would always conjure up Australian Aborigines.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 13:19:56 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 2 20:54:31 2011. Actually, Argentinians aren't as white as they think. Genetic testing has indicated that the white population there is about 20% Native American. In many ways South America is a mirror image of North America, as it gets whiter as you go further south. As such I suspect that the same is true for North America as well—that white people here contain significant Native American ancestry (I know several that claim that they do) especially points north of Boston and into Canada—in areas that contain more of the original colonists and have received less subsequent immigration from Europe. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 3 13:38:22 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 13:19:56 2011. Or they might not be as white as you think that they think that they are. And you can easily look up estimates for Native American ancestry among US whites if you want. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 3 13:48:16 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 13:19:56 2011. You seem race-obsessed. This thread isn't about race. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 13:48:54 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 2 23:22:45 2011. Quebec City definitely whiter than Montreal, and is perhaps the whitest city of its size in the New World. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 13:54:23 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 3 13:05:42 2011. Indeed. She is perhaps of Italian ancestry however (admixed with Native American, so Hispanic is an accurate description). |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 3 13:58:21 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 13:48:54 2011. Thanks, although I meant more European from a cosmetic, architecture, and design standpoint, not the race of the people in the city. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 3 14:02:33 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 11:52:05 2011. You're talking about the violence happening in South Africa (caused by blacks)There you go again. I didn't bring up anyone's race. Are you blaming all the violence on blacks over there? Best to leave the topic alone if you're not willing to factually discuss its causes Communism is factual over there. That's a chief cause of the violence. So you're not willing to factually discuss one of the biggest causes; therefore I don't know why you're even in this thread. See here . . . for what? |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 14:09:29 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 3 13:38:22 2011. Nothing reliable so far on Native admixture in the white American population...will keep you informed. :) |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 14:12:51 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 3 12:17:20 2011. I know that he probably genuinely didn't intend to focus on race. Nonetheless, race is the actual cause of the problem. I'm trying to point out that there is no sense dancing around that point. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 14:18:23 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 3 14:02:33 2011. I didn't bring up anyone's race.I know. I'm trying to educate you on the topic. Are you blaming all the violence on blacks over there? Certainly not. But unfortunately the lion's share of the violence is due to blacks. Communism is factual over there. That's a chief cause of the violence. Hardly, for either claim. >>>>>See here . . . for what? Did you read it? |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Apr 3 14:26:02 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 3 14:02:33 2011. Proff that leads back to a OTChat post is NOT Proff. Proff must support what is being talked about from another source. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 3 14:37:20 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 14:18:23 2011. "I know. I'm trying to educate you on the topic."Educate? You do mean pontificate, don't you? What are your scholarly credentials that allow you the hubris to educate? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 3 15:01:16 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 11:42:41 2011. oh shit. you think that black people are at a different stage of evolution than white people. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 3 15:09:31 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by SMAZ on Sat Apr 2 20:35:48 2011. yes. but that has nothing to do with Jayman's own racial attitudes. He's the kind of guy who gets all worked up about a hip-hop club opening up but ignores the violence present in hip-hop culture. think Jayman would want to live anywhere near a hip-hop club? If Jayman lived in Brooklyn and parked on the street, ya think he'd park right by the hip-hop club, or a safe few blocks away? Yeah. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 3 15:10:51 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 3 15:01:16 2011. "oh shit. you think that black people are at a different stage of evolution than white people."Thought without academic study to back it up. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 3 16:00:10 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 3 15:01:16 2011. Uh-oh. That sounds like NOI doctrine. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 3 17:56:49 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 3 15:09:31 2011. There appears to be some devil worship in a lot of hip hop nowadays. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Apr 3 19:06:10 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 14:12:51 2011. It's why it should be every human's duty to reproduce across racial lines. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 19:08:13 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 3 14:37:20 2011. Let's ask Glenn Beck that. Anyone can educate, all that is required is a knowledge of the facts (and ideally some skill in relaying those facts). I have sources for all my claims, good try on the ad hominem though... |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Apr 3 19:10:30 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 13:01:03 2011. She is Hispanic (Inca?) by race, Chilean-American by nationality and Tri-State Italian-American by cultural upbringing and adoptive lineage. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 19:14:26 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 3 15:01:16 2011. Not at a different stage of evolution—that very statement implies a certain level of ignorance to how evolution works. All life forms extant today all have the same amount of evolution behind them, it's just that certain populations have some traits that others don't have, or in case of races within a species, certain traits vary in their level of prevalence. But certain traits evolved in white people that emerged after they left Africa, as has happened in Asians, in Australian Aborigines and in the Inuit. Geographic separation fosters changes, because genes can't always flow back to other groups. These are basic facts of evolution. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 19:15:50 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 3 15:09:31 2011. Wow...with all I said you still don't understand my attitude towards race? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Apr 3 19:21:28 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 2 20:49:08 2011. Did you see that young new German-American kid we got on the US team?Timmy Chandler. He's really good. Hopefully it will force Bradley to stop calling up Jonathan Bornstein who is complete garbage. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 3 19:27:43 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by SMAZ on Sun Apr 3 19:21:28 2011. I did see him although I thought that he was African American. He's pretty good.I also liked Bornstein when he played for Chivas, but he doesn't seem to be able to take his game to the next level. In fact he drops a level. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Apr 3 19:27:49 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 13:19:56 2011. But US whites have mixed more with blacks, Hispanics and Asians (as well as Natives) than Argentinians have.By giving a cursory look at Argentinians, the amount of mixing does not seem substantial (as opposed to Brazil with its blacks or Bolivia or Peru with their heavy Native population and more sparse White population). |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Apr 3 19:33:45 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 3 15:09:31 2011. You must have never lived near a redneck bar. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Apr 3 19:52:55 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 3 19:27:43 2011. I did see him although I thought that he was African American. He's pretty good.He's like Jermaine Jones. Black American servicemember father who abandoned him and white German mother. He grew up German like Jones and Dooley. I also liked Bornstein when he played for Chivas, but he doesn't seem to be able to take his game to the next level. In fact he drops a level. Yeah exactly. Guys like that can't go beyond the MLS level. They would never make it in the Bundesliga or EPL like Chandler, Spector or Lichaj that are competing for that position or old declining defensive stalwarts like Gooch, DeMerit, Cherundolo or Bocanegra who play at the level even today or did so until recently. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 20:18:24 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by SMAZ on Sun Apr 3 19:27:49 2011. By giving a cursory look at Argentinians, the amount of mixing does not seem substantial (as opposed to Brazil with its blacks or Bolivia or Peru with their heavy Native population and more sparse White population).That shows how looks can be deceiving. Genetic testing gives a more reliable answer on ancestry. But yes, Argentina is on the whole much whiter than the northern parts of the continent, which as I said is an example of how South America mirrors North America in its racial composition (i.e., it gets whiter as you go poleward). But US whites have mixed more with blacks, Hispanics and Asians (as well as Natives) than Argentinians have. One difference among American whites is how they are defined: mixed race individuals are usually classified with the non-white group. This means the self-identified white in America is probably less mixed than in Argentina. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 3 21:37:55 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 19:08:13 2011. Let's not resort to liberal stupidity. The issue is clear. You have every right to express your own opinions. What are your credentials to say that you are educating anyone? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 3 21:39:17 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 3 21:37:55 2011. You have every right to express your own opinions. . . and have them dissected with the sharpest scalpel. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Apr 3 21:52:06 2011, in response to Re: South African rugby player allegedly goes on axe-murdering rampage after daughter's rape, posted by Train Dude on Sun Apr 3 21:37:55 2011. Hmmm, have you read about the ad hominem fallacy yet?While you're at it, you should check out the red herring fallacy too. |
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