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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 13 09:33:15 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 13 09:29:54 2010. Thanks for explaining that. |
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Posted by 9 local on Sun Jun 13 09:33:16 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 13 09:29:54 2010. They have ties in Lacrosse (I think), Hockey (see BU 3 vs. Cornell 3), FOOTBALL (it happens from time to time), and Soccer. Once it gets to knockout stages, ties get replaced by in football hockey and lacrosse endless sudden death overtimes, and in soccer by overtimes and shootouts. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 13 09:36:15 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by 9 local on Sun Jun 13 09:33:16 2010. College football got rid of ties 20 years ago. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Jun 13 09:38:57 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 13 09:29:54 2010. The way for deciding tiebreakers in hockey in the regular season though needs to change; a shootout should not decide a playoff spot. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 13 10:49:35 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 13 09:29:54 2010. A shootout is silly when the game doesn't determine elimination. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jun 13 11:35:36 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 13 09:29:54 2010. I watched some of the US-England game on a TV monitor at the gym yesterday. It wasn't live, so I knew the outcome, but it was still quite interesting to watch. The best part: the lack of incessant commercial breaks for cars, beer, mutual funds and limp-d*ck drugs.My blog |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 13 11:44:42 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by The I MAN on Sun Jun 13 09:21:01 2010. David James will be back in the net for the UK for the remainder of the cup.That's not much of an improvement. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 13 11:57:50 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 13 10:49:35 2010. I agree. The final rounds of group play will have a lot more subplots and possibilties because of ties. A team may have to win while another can advance with a tie and that increases drama and differing tactics. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 13 12:18:46 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by The I MAN on Sun Jun 13 09:21:01 2010. It bounced twice and he inexplicably misplayed it by about 6 inches. It was worse than Bill Buckner. He should have been able to stop that just using his feet. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jun 13 13:09:55 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by Easy on Sat Jun 12 22:48:17 2010. Yes - except for soccer and basketball.Soccer is low scoring and has no sense of strategy or a clear winner. Basketball requires no skill - anyone can get the ball in the basket if they are tall enough to reach it |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 13 13:44:18 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jun 13 13:09:55 2010. Soccer is low scoring and has no sense of strategy or a clear winner.Incorrect. It just means that you don't understand the sport and its strategy. I don't understand cricket or hurling, let alone the strategy involved but that's because of my lack of knowledge of those sports, not because there is no strategy. You are confusing your ignorance of the sport with lack of strategy. Basketball requires no skill - anyone can get the ball in the basket if they are tall enough to reach it WTF!!! That's just plain crazy talk. Have you ever played basketball?? |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sun Jun 13 13:44:20 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jun 12 19:10:51 2010. Not even OT or a shootout or something. A Dumb game ! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 13 14:45:19 2010, in response to WORLD CUP Thread, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 11 07:56:22 2010. World Cup Thread= SMAZ, Easy, vs. The WorldRatings are trickling in. Mexico and Argentina had over 80% of the country watching. Streets were empty. US vs. England ratings should be out tomorrow. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jun 13 15:16:51 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 13 13:44:18 2010. Incorrect. It just means that you don't understand the sport and its strategy.If I don't like it to begin with why should I bother learning about it. I learn about sports that I do like such as baseball, NFL football, horse racing, and F1 racing. Have you ever played basketball?? Yes but none of us were tall enough to just walk up to the basket and dunk the ball in. Real skill was required. IMO Player's height is as much or more of a contributing factor than skill in the way the professional game is played. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 13 15:21:19 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jun 13 15:16:51 2010. If I don't like it to begin with why should I bother learning about it.Same here. But I don't go around saying that sports that I don't like or never followed (like cricket or hurling) lack strategy just because I don't understand them. Yes but none of us were tall enough to just walk up to the basket and dunk the ball in. Real skill was required. IMO Player's height is as much or more of a contributing factor than skill in the way the professional game is played. Height only increses the probabilty to succeed at the highest levels. In the college ranks and even HS, extremely tall guys are a dime a dozen. Only the very skilled ones progress to a higher level. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 13 15:22:39 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jun 13 15:16:51 2010. No one said that you had to learn soccer. He was only pointing out that you not understanding soccer is different than it not making sense. Your post is typical of Americans that perceive that soccer is being somehow forced upon them. It's not. Neither you nor anyone else is required to have any interest in soccer. The World Cup will be fine without you just as how the Stanley Cup survives without me! :) |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jun 13 15:56:31 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 13 15:22:39 2010. My favorite team isn't playing until Tuesday, when they'll face a tough test against Brazil, but I'm hopeful.My blog |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 13 15:59:17 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jun 13 15:56:31 2010. lol. I thought that you were serious for a second. There's a moderator on bigsoccer.com for the English forum who is American yet England are his favorite team. And his parents aren't even English! |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 13 16:26:39 2010, in response to WORLD CUP Thread, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 11 07:56:22 2010. I hope that we win our group. Whoever finishes second is going to be spanked by Germany. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 13 19:24:44 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 13 15:22:39 2010. No one is saying Soccer is "forced" upon them. In fact, quite the opposite. Most just don't understand the allure that much of the world has with soccer. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 13 19:30:05 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 13 19:24:44 2010. They don't say it but they act is if that were the case. Like where he asked why he should bother learning soccer as if someone had asked him to.If we have a thread about the NBA or the NHL the people that don't like the NBA or NHL likely won't post in it, but whenever there is a soccer thread people feel obligated to let everyone know how much they dislike soccer almost as if they have somehow been forced to watch it. And it's not just here it's everywhere. You can start a soccer thread on practically any forum and people will post how much they dislike it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 13 19:43:23 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 13 19:30:05 2010. That's because hard core soccer fans are just that, hard core. It seems you either drool over soccer, or you hate it, there's no middle ground.That isn't the case with NBA or NHL, you don't have the absolute rabidness of fans in those sports. And yes, you do hear many people complain about how "boring" hockey is, or how they have no interest in basketball. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 13 19:56:41 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jun 13 19:43:23 2010. I'm in the middle. I like soccer, but it's not my favorite sport and there are lots of people like me. It's not even my second favorite sport. The World Cup is my favorite sporting event though.And there most certainly are "rabid" NBA and hockey fans. They just can't afford to go to the games! ;) Also, while people might mention that they don't like basketball or hockey it's not like soccer where people are so adamant about it. So they don't like soccer? Big deal, don't watch. I really do think that it's some patriotic thing where they've heard that soccer is the "next big thing" and how the rest of the world wants us to play soccer for many years so they go out of their way to prove that wrong. Notice how many people use words like "un-American" while mentioning how much more they like American sports. The truth is that the rest of the world, while surprised that we aren't into soccer, don't really care one way or the other. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Jun 13 20:02:35 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 13 12:18:46 2010. Off-topic for this thread, but I just had to :)One of the best moments of my life! :) |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Jun 13 20:05:18 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 13 09:36:15 2010. Yep. It is still possible to have a tie in the NFL (regular season only), but those are few and far between (though I think there was one last season. Or was it the season before that?) |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jun 13 20:46:37 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by Easy on Sun Jun 13 15:22:39 2010. Your post is typical of Americans that perceive that soccer is being somehow forced upon them.In that case I am PROUD to be a typical American. Soccer is a foreign invader. Besides there is no way to make money on it like you can with 10x10 grid-style office or bar pools for football and baseball. The low scoring makes most number combinations unlikely, therefore no sense in throwing money away on such pools if anyone even ran them |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 13 20:54:33 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Jun 13 20:02:35 2010. Considering what happened yesterday, it's pretty much ON TOPIC.Of course if England advances it will be pretty much forgotten just like Buckner's error would have been forgotten had the Red Sox won Game 7. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jun 13 21:00:59 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 13 20:54:33 2010. At least the British probably will not end up killing their goalie like a Colombian did to theirs following Colombia's 1994 loss to the US in 1994 |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 13 21:05:50 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by BMTLines on Sun Jun 13 20:46:37 2010. You didn't get into the madness in Astoria in 2004 when Greece won the Euro 2004? |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Jun 13 21:13:42 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 13 21:05:50 2010. I was in Montreal when they won and the Greeks there partied all night! Not being a full time soccer fan the people that we were with had to fill me in. I had no idea that the tournament was going on. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jun 13 21:15:20 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 13 21:05:50 2010. LOL - nope. Although I could hear the cars driving around beeping their horns.... |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 14 16:36:25 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 13 01:33:42 2010. I saw some Italian fans wearing Lucha masks in today's game. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 14 16:59:16 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 14 16:36:25 2010. LOL. You must buy a Lucha mask. Everyone has a Lucha mask.It was a disappointing performance by Italy. I watch on Univision. Right after the game, they ran a poll asking fans if Italy will be hurt by having an "older" team. 44% said no. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 14 21:17:48 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 14 16:59:16 2010. LOL. You must buy a Lucha mask. Everyone has a Lucha mask.I don't know much about Lucha Libre. It was a disappointing performance by Italy. I watch on Univision. Right after the game, they ran a poll asking fans if Italy will be hurt by having an "older" team. 44% said no. They'll do better when Pirlo (who's also kind of old) comes back. I don't see them beyond the second round. They would certainly win the Over-30 World Cup. Perhaps FIFA should organize such a thing. The only spot where age is a good thing is in goalie, but Buffon got hurt and they had young Marchetti in the second half. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jun 15 00:48:41 2010, in response to WORLD CUP Thread, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 11 07:56:22 2010. Mexico goalkeepers train with NFL balls, prepare for confusionBy Brooks Peck Just about everyone (except Adidas employees and Adidas-sponsored Kaka) has been moaning about the World Cup ball -- goalkeepers in particular -- saying that it feels weird, moves unnaturally, and may cause bunnies to spontaneously combust. Even though it has produced only 18 goals in the first 11 matches of the tournament. Yet, there have been a few prominent goalkeeper bloopers already. Though England goalkeeper Rob Green manfully declined to blame the ball for his goof-up against the U.S., Algeria coach Rabah Saddane did the exact opposite after Faouzi Chaouchi's gaffe handed Slovenia a win. So to combat this overblown issue, Mexico's goalkeeping coach is employing a different training device -- NFL balls. At Monday’s practice, Mexico goalkeeping coach Alberto Aguilar used NFL footballs in a drill to better prepare his players for, well, that which you can never really prepare for. Yes! Next teams will start training with frisbees, meatballs and copies of Stephenie Meyer books to prepare for the things they can never really prepare for even further. But as unusual as the World Cup ball may be, it seems that training with a ball that's a different shape is kind of overcompensating for the problem. I mean, as unpredictable as it's claimed to be, could the World Cup ball possibly move like an oblong-shaped ball? If it does, Aguilar is a genius. If it doesn't, Mexico's goalkeeper could be blaming it for acting too much like a normal ball. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Jun 15 00:56:33 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread: Mexico Goalies Training with NFL Footballs, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jun 15 00:48:41 2010. lol. Soccer can be so weird compared to US sports. This probably makes sense to someone. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jun 15 00:58:08 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread: Mexico Goalies Training with NFL Footballs, posted by Easy on Tue Jun 15 00:56:33 2010. Well...if it wasn't for that stupid horn with that annoying buzz... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 15 01:12:44 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread: Mexico Goalies Training with NFL Footballs, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jun 15 00:48:41 2010. Um, what? This is soccer, not rugby. Play the ball, not the ball. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 15 01:13:42 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread: Mexico Goalies Training with NFL Footballs, posted by Easy on Tue Jun 15 00:56:33 2010. No, this ain't about the sport. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 15 01:18:27 2010, in response to WORLD CUP Thread, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 11 07:56:22 2010. phxtusbus' comments remindPhxtusbus does not like the horn Why all the publicity about "those annoying horns"? They're nothing new. In Lucha, they're called, "Lucha horns". They're fun at Lucha shows. I guess the American media hates soccer, so they make a story out of the horns. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jun 15 01:23:14 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread: Mexico Goalies Training with NFL Footballs, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 15 01:12:44 2010. The presence of the Wales flag on that ball makes it very clear that it cannot possibly be soccer. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jun 15 01:26:46 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 15 01:18:27 2010. I don't really like horns of any kind at sporting events. It's not just the "horn" that is getting all the press.To be perfectly honest, I cannot wait until September 3. For me, that date marks the start of a long blissful period known as Football Season. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jun 15 01:29:00 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 15 01:18:27 2010. I guess the American media hates soccer, so they make a story out of the horns.The whole world hates those horns. I've been reading English and Italian articles and emailing with people overseas. Olog posted a German article (from real media outlets). They all say the same things: the vuvuzelas suck. In normal games you get a crowd crescendo when a team makes a run or when something controversial happens (a bad foul, a bad call, etc). You can hear a fired up crowd when their team is playing well or a player does something cool. With the stupid horns, it's the same drone at all times. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 15 01:31:32 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jun 15 01:29:00 2010. Were they a big deal four years ago? I just don't remember. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jun 15 01:32:54 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 15 01:31:32 2010. I don't believe that they were as common four years ago (as they're something that, at least on some level, is "local" to South Africa). |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 15 01:34:09 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jun 15 01:32:54 2010. I agree. And I know someone is importing the Lucha masks, so they probably imported the "Lucha horns" too. I think they are fun for five minutes, but not all the time. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jun 15 01:36:54 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 15 01:34:09 2010. I'm not saying that I have any dislike towards soccer. However, if given a choice between watching the NFL, MLB, NBA, or NHL or watching soccer; I'd watch the NFL, MLB, NBA, or NHL.Also, I'm all for crowds going crazy and getting energetic at pivotal moments in the games. Hell, I know I do. But a constant "drone" of a horn that is mildly annoying anyways is just not something that I'm really a fan of. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jun 15 01:37:18 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 15 01:31:32 2010. Were they a big deal four years ago? I just don't remember.They thankfully didn't have them in Germany four years ago. That tournament was textbook from a fan and organizational standpoint. Many fans bring instruments at games and make noise but it's varied (drums, different types of horns, etc) and they play them during certain parts of the game in an organized fashion. It's actually breaking out in music in spurts. It's not 90 minutes of mindlessly blowing that awful thing. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jun 15 01:39:44 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jun 15 01:37:18 2010. KCBS radio up here was doing a report on them that I was listening to on the drive home. They had a reporter scour the Bay Area looking for a store that sold them. Apparently, the one store that does sell them was close to being sold out. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jun 15 01:44:22 2010, in response to Re: WORLD CUP Thread, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jun 15 01:36:54 2010. However, if given a choice between watching the NFL, MLB, NBA, or NHL or watching soccer; I'd watch the NFL, MLB, NBA, or NHL.But the World Cup isn't simply watching soccer. I can understand liking the NFL, MLB, etc over watching the MLS or the European soccer leagues during the course of their normal yearly seasons but the WC is only every four years for a month and national honor rests on the results. English national pride was wounded on Saturday. Ours was greatly enhanced. It may sound insane and probably is, but I didn't create the world and humanity as it is. |
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