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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 11:56:27 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by AlM on Thu Nov 16 10:38:59 2017. Just to let you know, there's more fish in the lake then Bass. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 11:57:28 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by jimmymc25 on Thu Nov 16 10:41:29 2017. I didn't lose anything. You guys just have to expand your thought process and realize that there were plenty of professions and jobs out there in the public sector, be them government or not, |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 11:58:48 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Nov 16 11:02:48 2017. Just to play Devil's Advocate, you can also be a second or first grade or even a third grade detective, a sergeant or Lieutenant with the money, and make the same amount of money. They get the overtime |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Nov 16 12:48:59 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 11:57:28 2017. Bootom line.....it's a state pension based upon years of service. So calling them "civil service pensions" is a fair generalization.You don't get one without years in the cocoon. Which limits one's perspectives on what changed in the real world since then, like the demise of "lifetime employment" pretty much everywhere. I know people that have a half dozen 401ks from different jobs held over the years. Surely there's people with even more now. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Nov 16 12:51:39 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 10:16:28 2017. No, you said so. Nothing as obvious as an outright statement. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Nov 16 12:58:53 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 11:55:29 2017. Same difference to most. People don't know or care about the internal differentiations in government employment. Nor do they really need to. They just see a civil servant, or a person in elected office, or a political appointee. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Nov 16 13:13:28 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 11:58:48 2017. Or a sergeant in the Detective Division, who makes grade as a supervisor of detectives ("The Money")... |
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Posted by Alm on Thu Nov 16 13:17:02 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 11:57:28 2017. Huh? If it's in the public sector, it's a government job. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 13:26:23 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by bingbong on Thu Nov 16 12:48:59 2017. I have actually had about 6 jobs before I landed in my last one. I work in a pizzeria, I work for a law firm, I work for utility company, I worked maintenance, I delivered newspapers, and I work for a supermarket. Everything from Monday to Friday 8 to 4 suit and tie to Blue Collar around the clock work. I know what it's like to be laid off. I know what it's like to go on strike. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 13:29:10 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by bingbong on Thu Nov 16 12:51:39 2017. Let me tell you something. I would never say I had a civil service job. The word I said was I was a public servant. It could be two different things, it could be one in the same, but I know it's a fact I never said I had a civil service job. Anyway, my employment should not be a source of concern for people here anyway. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 13:32:06 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by bingbong on Thu Nov 16 12:58:53 2017. No. Case in point. A New York City poluce officer is a civil servant. And MTA police officer is not a civil servant. A Port Authority police officer is not a civil servant. A New York state trooper is not a civil servant. Get my drift? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 13:33:49 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Nov 16 13:13:28 2017. Yes, I said that a sergeant with the money is going to bring home and inspect his pension. A second grade detective is going to make the same, a first grade Detective even more. Even a third grade detective if they do a lot of overtime can still take home and nice pension as well. But the best to money making positions on the NYPD, from what I'm told, is either a first grade detective or a lieutenant with the money. You have the higher pay rate plus overtime that you can take in cash. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 13:34:19 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Nov 16 13:13:28 2017. Yes, I said that a sergeant with the money is going to bring home an inspectors pension. A second grade detective is going to make the same, a first grade Detective even more. Even a third grade detective if they do a lot of overtime can still take home and nice pension as well. But the best to money making positions on the NYPD, from what I'm told, is either a first grade detective or a lieutenant with the money. You have the higher pay rate plus overtime that you can take in cash. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Nov 16 13:36:03 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 13:26:23 2017. Yet it does not inform your attitude. You come off like some variety of cocooned civil service retiree that put in your time after college and got the pension. There's a lot of "I got mine, so fuck you'" among males of your age and experience. And you,re a peime example.Things do not come to plenty of others so readily, especially women and minorities, who face a heap of prejudices on top of having to be better at anything and everything than your typical slob. Only to earn percentages less overall as it turns out to begin with. Makes the ending less happy when you worked twice as hard all those years only to be handed half in conclusion. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 13:37:02 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by Alm on Thu Nov 16 13:17:02 2017. There are also jobs in the public sector that are not government jobs. I am using the term public sector in a different way |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Nov 16 13:38:12 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 13:32:06 2017. Out in the real world, they are percieved as precisely that. Get over yourself. Only people that have worked for the government know the differentiations. Nobody else cares. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 13:43:24 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by bingbong on Thu Nov 16 13:36:03 2017. First off, you have to get that term Civil Service retiree out of your head. I never said I was a civil service retiree! I'll give you credit though, you did it knowledge that I went to college, I thought you would have had me being a GED dropout!But since you brought up Civil Service, wouldn't being a woman or so called minority already have the exact same monetary and beneficial Advantage? I believe those salaries are set in stone via contracts. There's not one salary for an irish-american, another one for a caribbean-american, another one for a female jewish-american, you get my point. And by the way, the proper expression is fuck you, pay me! From Goodfellas! LOL and you know what? I worked for my reward, now I'm getting it! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 13:47:12 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by bingbong on Thu Nov 16 13:38:12 2017. Perception is not reality. Reality is reality. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Nov 16 14:01:19 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 13:43:24 2017. GED dropouts often go on the college degrees. Getting a GED is harder than high school. Do not disparge people that work at turning their fortunes around.Your reward is predicated on your salary, which was for a good amount of your career typically 30% higher than women in equivalent positions. It's only been about the past thirty years that equity got resolved in government employment contracts. It was just handled differently, in ways you likely never (based on your expressed attitudes about women and minorities) cared about. The world does not revolve around you and every person who was victimized through years of discrimination has been held back. Acknowledge that simple fact for once in your undeservedly privileged life. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Nov 16 14:16:43 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 13:33:49 2017. I have nothing against that, given the demands of the job.It is true that overtime is a big factor. There were several years during my EMS career, where I got mandated so many times, I earned more than my captain did! That wasn't at all unusual, either. It happened all the time. However, because EMS personnel are "civilian employees" of the FDNY, it's not 20 years to your pension, it's 25...and not what cops and firefighters enjoy, either. There is a parity fight underway now, to get uniformed status for the medics... |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Nov 16 14:40:44 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 13:47:12 2017. You tell yourself that. For a change.This is a perception that isn't going to change, regardless of you try to parse it. You get apension from the government in any capacity beyond rockstar level elected office, it's considered civil service. It nothing to be ashamed of. If you are, which you seem to be expressing by continuing a meaninglss tirade, then you really needed to be in another line of work. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu Nov 16 14:43:58 2017, in response to Re: #4 Sea Beach Fred's opinion on the destruction of Confederate monuments, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Nov 16 11:27:32 2017. Put the statues in places where private clubs like Daughters of the Confederacy and similar male organizations can celebrate the Lost Cause......if they can do that without getting sick doing it. I don't destroy all Confederate statues but put them in a place where those who aren't sickened by it don't have to look at them every day and where those who do like them can enjoy them without the masses having to endure them too.Remember, the Confederates were a pack of traitors who attempted to bring down the United States. There should be no reward for that. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Nov 16 14:54:13 2017, in response to Re: #4 Sea Beach Fred's opinion on the destruction of Confederate monuments, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu Nov 16 14:43:58 2017. Wow Fred. Again Wow Fred. Most Conservative Republicans would disagree with you. Well we'll just have to agree to disagree. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 16 15:02:59 2017, in response to Re: #4 Sea Beach Fred's opinion on the destruction of Confederate monuments, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu Nov 16 14:43:58 2017. EXCELLENT POST!I will add that while some of the statues are works of art that deserve to be preserved regardless of the subject matter, most of them are mass produced garbage that has no historical value whatsoever. Those can be auctioned off as surplus and if the high bidder chooses to melt them down, so be it. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Nov 16 15:19:42 2017, in response to Re: #4 Sea Beach Fred's opinion on the destruction of Confederate monuments, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu Nov 16 14:43:58 2017. iawtp |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Nov 16 15:20:43 2017, in response to Re: #4 Sea Beach Fred's opinion on the destruction of Confederate monuments, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Nov 16 14:54:13 2017. hope you guys meethe is a nice man we dont agree on everything though |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Thu Nov 16 15:29:36 2017, in response to Re: #4 Sea Beach Fred's opinion on the destruction of Confederate monuments, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu Nov 16 14:43:58 2017. "Remember, the Confederates were a pack of traitors who attempted to bring down the United States. There should be no reward for that."+1,000,000 |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Nov 16 16:00:05 2017, in response to Re: #4 Sea Beach Fred's opinion on the destruction of Confederate monuments, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Nov 16 15:20:43 2017. Well whenever I'm in LA, I would be delighted to meet him. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Nov 16 16:00:48 2017, in response to Re: #4 Sea Beach Fred's opinion on the destruction of Confederate monuments, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Nov 16 15:20:43 2017. Well whenever I'm in LA, I would be delighted to meet him. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Nov 16 16:01:56 2017, in response to Re: #4 Sea Beach Fred's opinion on the destruction of Confederate monuments, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Nov 16 15:19:42 2017. Figures |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Nov 16 16:05:12 2017, in response to Re: #4 Sea Beach Fred's opinion on the destruction of Confederate monuments, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 16 15:02:59 2017. Figures |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Nov 16 16:20:34 2017, in response to Re: #4 Sea Beach Fred's opinion on the destruction of Confederate monuments, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Nov 16 14:54:13 2017. So you are saying most "Conservative Republicans" support armed treason against the United States. Good to know. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Nov 16 16:59:52 2017, in response to Re: #4 Sea Beach Fred's opinion on the destruction of Confederate monuments, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Nov 16 16:01:56 2017. oh come on man |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Nov 16 17:00:30 2017, in response to Re: #4 Sea Beach Fred's opinion on the destruction of Confederate monuments, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Nov 16 16:59:52 2017. Come on? Where we going? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 17:09:17 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by bingbong on Thu Nov 16 14:01:19 2017. What all my expressed attitudes about women and minorities? And if a woman did the exact same work as I did our wise, she will get exact same salary depending on whether or not she was at top pay grade or notMy life has not been privileged. My life is what I made of it. And why would my privilege be undeserved? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 17:17:17 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Nov 16 14:16:43 2017. So now, just playing Devil's Advocate, if I happened to be one of those ranks and or appointments that I have four mentioned, can't you guys see how easy it is to bring home a six figure salary? You have to also factor in longevity, I had 27 years in, night differential, and all that other good stuff. I'm not saying that I am, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 17:43:55 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by bingbong on Thu Nov 16 14:40:44 2017. I have to tell myself that reality is reality? What else would it be? It's not a mean was tirade. I was just merely pointing out the difference between being a civil servant, working for New York State executive law, or being another type of public servant which does not fall into any of the categories above |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 16 17:50:39 2017, in response to Re: #4 Sea Beach Fred's opinion on the destruction of Confederate monuments, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Nov 16 16:05:12 2017. It is sad how the Republicans went from being the party of Lincoln to the Party of Davis. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 16 17:54:24 2017, in response to Re: #4 Sea Beach Fred's opinion on the destruction of Confederate monuments, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu Nov 16 14:43:58 2017. Exactly.Traitors... But look again... If states were able to leave the US government, and form their own government, you know who would go first. Texas then Alabama...and most if not all of the southern states soon to follow. Damn shame. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 17:58:18 2017, in response to Re: #4 Sea Beach Fred's opinion on the destruction of Confederate monuments, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Nov 16 17:00:30 2017. On the Gold Line! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 16 18:38:23 2017, in response to Re: #4 Sea Beach Fred's opinion on the destruction of Confederate monuments, posted by mtk52983 on Thu Nov 16 16:20:34 2017. The reality is that all of those statues were erected by Conservative Democrats. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Nov 16 18:40:36 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 17:09:17 2017. That's not how it worked. Until you admit it, this s a waste of time. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 16 18:44:51 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 17:17:17 2017. You are not playing devil's advocate. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 16 18:45:05 2017, in response to Re: #4 Sea Beach Fred's opinion on the destruction of Confederate monuments, posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Nov 16 14:54:13 2017. He's also pro-abortion. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Nov 16 18:51:25 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 17:43:55 2017. All I'm telling is is that nobody outside of government employees gives a damn. To them, its civil service unless they pulled a lever [SIC] for them.Based on my late husband's experience I knew this shit long before you showed up here. But when push comes to shove it doesn't matter anymore even to me. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 18:58:04 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 16 18:44:51 2017. Oh,I am. I'm just pointing out certain ways how someone can have a six-figure pension.I won't even mention how much does Port Authority police make, from patrolmen on up |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 16 18:58:18 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 17:17:17 2017. First grade detective sounds very consistent with the kinds of work activities you have described. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 19:01:28 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by bingbong on Thu Nov 16 18:51:25 2017. So, using your logic, I should just call someone who is Korean or Japanese a Chinaman. After all, they all look the same, don't they? Do you see how that logic is flawed? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 19:03:18 2017, in response to Re: #4 Sea Beach Fred's opinion on the destruction of Confederate monuments, posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 16 17:54:24 2017. I think California would go first |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 19:08:33 2017, in response to Re: Vandals topple Confederate monument, posted by bingbong on Thu Nov 16 18:40:36 2017. I don't give a shit out things Woodlawn in the last century! I'm not talking about then, I'm talking about now! |
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