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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 30 17:37:25 2006, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Christopher Rivera on Wed Aug 30 16:56:36 2006. If the U.S. and the Shah did it right and the government if Iran was a true Western Democracy then it wouldn't have bred the hatred that allowed the Ayotollah and Radical Islam to become as powerful as it wasThat's conjecture. The United Kingdom is not a western democracy but is yet rather peaceful (excepting Northern Ireland, but neither Unionist nor Nationalist factions are imperialistic). Citing the Shah as the sole factor in provoking radical Islam is certainly specious—it certainly does not offer an explanation for the imperialistic aims of Iran, nor does it take into account the external radical Islamic elements outside Iran (e.g. those that Israel have been up against historically). |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Wed Aug 30 18:07:06 2006, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 30 17:37:25 2006. Personally you and I know if Israel didn't exist right now the U.S. would have 1 helluva monkey of its back. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 30 18:26:56 2006, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Christopher Rivera on Wed Aug 30 18:07:06 2006. Wrong. The USA would still be up to its neck due to the oil situation. The situation in Iran has ****-all to do with Israel and everything to do with the Cold War and oil.And this board is impersonal, so don't try underhanded and diversionary tactics like that. BTW, one thing that the Islamists hated was that the Shah extended suffrage to women. On top of that, he instituted examinations for clerics, so that the one with the biggest mouth wouldn't be considered a valid cleric. And wasn't it Bakhtiar that allowed that Ayatollah Khomeini back into the country? |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Aug 30 19:06:29 2006, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 29 23:53:53 2006. Soviet is the Russian word for council, any council. Are the members of the UN Security Council (Совет безопасности ООН) all communists? Even John Bolton? |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Aug 30 19:13:25 2006, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Aug 29 18:33:20 2006. You seem to be talking about Vulcans a lot recently. That reminds me... |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Aug 30 21:24:42 2006, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Christopher Rivera on Tue Aug 29 19:29:03 2006. Brazil has a smaller population and fewer cars per capita than the US. In addition, IINM, sugar is better than corn for ethanol. |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Aug 30 21:31:58 2006, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Christopher Rivera on Wed Aug 30 16:56:36 2006. You are naïve if you think that every culture is compatible with liberty. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Aug 30 21:55:15 2006, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by American Pig on Wed Aug 30 21:31:58 2006. Liberty is defined in different ways.For example, in Jordan, King abdullah does not make decisions without consulting first with the sheikhs, or heads of tribes and ptominent families. They have an effective voice in the governing of Jordan. However, this is a stratified society. As such, the lower-ranking members of each tribe or family do not have a say, but rather must depend on their "elders" to represent them at decision-making. On the other hand, it is customary in Arab society for any citizen to have some access to petition the ruler - to have an audience with the king (whether anything useful results from this is a separate question). This is not a democracy as we in the West would view it, but it is not a completely totalitarian system either, in the sense that the central ruler, the monarch, cannot simply do and decide as he pleases. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Aug 30 21:56:46 2006, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by American Pig on Wed Aug 30 21:31:58 2006. You are naïve if you think that every culture is compatible with liberty.I'll bite. Is liberty only for Indo-Europeans? |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Wed Aug 30 23:19:37 2006, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Aug 30 21:56:46 2006. LOL, you had to bite! |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Wed Aug 30 23:34:42 2006, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by American Pig on Wed Aug 30 21:24:42 2006. The problem is you cant distribute ethanol over distances due to corrosion. Thats the biggest draw back. I remember a CNBC report and it said for the U.S. to be have 0 use on foreign oil it would require 75% of the farms of the U.S. to switch to corn. Meaning instead of the U.S. requiring on foreign countries for oil, we'd be requiring them for food. It's one helluva toss up. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Aug 30 23:48:20 2006, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Christopher Rivera on Wed Aug 30 23:34:42 2006. That's a loaded statement, which is why I like CNBC World better.To cut our reliance on MIDDLE EAST oil, versus all foreign(russia and canada, etc), all you have to do is kick the SUV's off the road, or give them 10 more mpg's. Some reason they won't. But the changes aren't that drastic. In the UK they came up with a positive for the ethanol. Besides all the goodness in teh cars, no nuts with nukes, global termoil, self-reliance, lower pollution, the ethanol crops(oranges, sugar, corn, coconuts) would soak up the rest of the CO2 and pollution on that end too. So the production is cleaner. *Meaning instead of the U.S. requiring on foreign countries for oil, we'd be requiring them for food.* Thanks to a certain president selling us out in his tariff policies, Brazil is going to be supplying us all our crops soon anyway. May as well keep some of the factory farms for transport. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Aug 30 23:52:10 2006, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 30 15:44:03 2006. We civilized all the native americans and the aboriginies in Australia more "recently".Maybe it just depends on the group of people you're trying to subvert. Or maybe there isn't anyone left who will be surprised to see a new group of people trying to make them into slaves. Everyone must know by now all the countries that became independant. Speaking of which, I read an article last week, here we go again, saying they think they found evidence that the Aztecs did fight the Spanish and ATE them in some ritualistic thing. Most groups can't say they fought back by eating the invaders huh? |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Aug 31 03:28:38 2006, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Aug 30 08:58:37 2006. Yes, because Chechnya is landlocked and has no good reason to have a submarine in the first place. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Thu Aug 31 03:31:35 2006, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by WillD on Tue Aug 29 16:16:03 2006. I only hope that if Israel, Iran, and the US are stupid enough to start shooting nukes at each other we'll at least be smart enough to help those who survive to pick up the pieces and move on in both countries.If THAT ever happens, I hope I'm nowhere near an American or Israeli city! |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Sep 3 03:11:26 2006, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Christopher Rivera on Wed Aug 30 15:50:27 2006. And I'd rather have a puppet than a psychotic letting his regime turn on us. I'd rather the puppet that kept his ppl in check than let loose. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Sep 3 03:22:15 2006, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Christopher Rivera on Wed Aug 30 16:56:36 2006. Saddam was the same [ok we backed him to keep Iran at bay], but wasn't about democracy either.Look at Iraq now this is what we get for trying to prop up a sense of 'democracy' as Iran and other forces outside and inside provoking a full scale civil war. Iraq should've been divided into 3 parts and let each religion keep their part and pull out. Each has hatred for each other based on religion [of the same type not even about Judism or Christianity] going centuries deep. I mean the current war is based on the Muslims pissed off at the West for the crusades when the west tried to reclaim Jerusalem. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 3 11:45:02 2006, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Sep 3 03:22:15 2006. Iraq should've been divided into 3 parts and let each religion keep their part and pull outThat wouldn't have solved anything either. We should have attacked and defeated Iran and ignored Iraq and Afghanistan until later. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Tue Jul 26 17:00:11 2011, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 29 23:40:31 2006. Soviets are people, not a nation. Putin is very, very Soviet. All of the countries that were in the Soviet Union still exist, most importantly Mother Russia.you were crazy then and you're crazy now |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 26 17:02:31 2011, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by American Pig on Wed Aug 30 19:06:29 2006. Da. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 26 17:03:34 2011, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by WillD on Thu Aug 31 03:28:38 2006. Hahahaha! :)Town of Colonie, located way up here had TWO submarines! Gift from DHS back around 2002. Last year they finally summoned up the wisdom to trade them for tanks. Heh. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 26 17:07:07 2011, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Dand124 on Tue Jul 26 17:00:11 2011. LOL . . . kinda wish I didn't teach you how to necropost. Are you just addicted to being wrong 99 percent of the time, besides? Putin is very Soviet in his thinking. Why else would he call the fall of the Soviet Union the worst disaster that happened in the 20th Century?You made yourself look very dumb when you said this, too: "You really hurt your case when you refer to a county that hasn't existed in 15 years"Not only were "the Soviets" not a country, they were not a county either. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jul 26 17:07:30 2011, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Dand124 on Tue Jul 26 17:00:11 2011. Can we please stop with the necro posting? It is very annoying. We'll give you brownie points that you know how to use the SubChat search. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 26 17:07:55 2011, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 26 17:03:34 2011. Whoop! Bingbong informs me that I was incorrect - the submarines actually date back to the previous two term republican police state in the 1980's. DHS allowed them to trade up to tanks in 2002. My bad. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 26 17:09:09 2011, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jul 26 17:07:30 2011. Actually, this time it was fun. I always like to mention Town of Colonie's submarines whenever the opportunity arises. :) |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Jul 26 17:22:18 2011, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 26 17:07:07 2011. God, this was old, good conversation thought, we all played nice one time, |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Jul 26 21:11:32 2011, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 26 17:09:09 2011. I have a good idea to stop necroposting. Larry should fine anyone who necroposts over 3 years in the past should be required to pay 5 dollars. Larry should amass enough in a year to pay the site's registration fee. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 26 21:12:53 2011, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Jul 26 21:11:32 2011. How about on many other sites that use BBcode, where searching for old threads is way easier than on Subchat? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 26 21:46:46 2011, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Jul 26 21:11:32 2011. I get a kick out of the necroposting. It's like putting a metal trap in the water and you get to come out in the morning and see how many crayfish you got. Trap is ALWAYS full around here. :) |
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Posted by DAnD124 on Mon Mar 3 23:16:01 2014, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Dand124 on Tue Aug 29 23:31:08 2006. bump |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 4 00:09:40 2014, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by DAnD124 on Mon Mar 3 23:16:01 2014. You didn't see this thread yet, did you? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 4 03:34:51 2014, in response to Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Aug 29 14:48:57 2006. so what if they do !i am against all nukes anyway especially nuke weapons |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 4 03:56:56 2014, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 4 03:34:51 2014. If they do though, we're ALL in trouble. As much as Iran doesn't like Israel, they hate US even more. If they manage to make one, it's just as likely that they'd deliver the first one here. And more likely to the west coast than the east coast since you guys are closer to them than we are over here.FWIW, at least the Russians had some sense knowing that if they ever dropped one, we'd respond rather nastily. The real worry with Iran is that they just don't give a shit. It'd be martyrdom in their own little twisted ways. So even for those who don't care about Israel (which is most of America despite what folks say here) we're every bit as much of a potential target as they are, and serving us up first is more their speed than Israel's paranoia about it. I work with our spooks every now and then and us going first is their greatest fear. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 4 04:04:01 2014, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 4 03:56:56 2014. israel has nukes what makes them so dammed safe ?lol |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 4 04:07:18 2014, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 4 03:34:51 2014. did you hear the news? Iran is going to gouge a man's eyes out and cut his ears and nose off. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 4 04:09:33 2014, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 4 04:04:01 2014. I hear ya, but they've never admitted it. Bottom line though, if it goes to strikes, we're gonna get cooked over here from the fallout. Fukushima was contained largely because it all went into the water and got dissipated. We won't be so lucky if it goes off in the air.Where I live now suffered greatly from fallout from atomic testing in the 1950's ... some areas around Troy and Latham and Colonie are STILL contaminated. So they built malls and commercial developments on it all. To paraphrase the 60's, "HELL NO, I WON'T GLOW." :( |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Mar 4 07:14:14 2014, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 4 04:07:18 2014. Say it ain't so! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 4 10:16:35 2014, in response to Re: Does Iran Already Have a Nuke?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 4 04:09:33 2014. i did not go to vietnam n the 1970s either !lol refused to register for the draft |
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