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Posted by B68 slow poke on Wed Sep 13 17:54:56 2017, in response to Congratulations New York City, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Sep 13 10:51:44 2017. Not so fast. It ain't over until it is over. Like yogi said.
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 13 18:28:43 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 13 17:27:57 2017. Good post. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 13 18:33:59 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by B68 slow poke on Wed Sep 13 17:54:56 2017. Dietl's already shut out, with that "independent" tag. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 13 18:50:53 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 13 17:23:42 2017. Where are my minority rights? I demand to be heard! I'm getting a victim called right now I'm going to walk around every single day for the rest of my life showing it to everybody! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 13 18:52:00 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 13 18:50:53 2017. It's a free country. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 13 18:54:03 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by B68 slow poke on Wed Sep 13 17:54:56 2017. If you think that the Plantation is going to vote in a retired detective, you're crazy! The LAST thing they want is law and order! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 13 19:00:09 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 13 18:52:00 2017. But everyone else is in the Pressed victim! Why can't I be one too? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 13 19:02:12 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 13 17:27:57 2017. Whether he was a "pain in the ass" or not, he most certainly did not deserve to die the way he did.As for "resisting", I do know that is whatever the cops want it to be. But I didn't see Garner actively resisting arrest on the video, which I have, in fact, posted here several times. What I saw was a person having his airway forcibly obstructed, causing him to struggle for breath. Pantaleo, as established by the time index of the video, begins choking Garner three seconds after grabbing him. Three. Seconds. I'm sure you, too, would be "resisting", if you were trying to get air into your lungs. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Sep 13 19:11:38 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 13 17:33:11 2017. "an innocent [fill in the blank] vendor trying to feed his kids"I can't stand this talking point, especially for drugs. Because I really believe that everyone has a "special" supply of locally grown organic drugs and they didn't just pay for the cartels to destroy entire countries, cities and families. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Wed Sep 13 19:25:09 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 13 17:19:18 2017. Welcome to the world of poltics. |
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Posted by B68 slow poke on Wed Sep 13 19:51:34 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 13 18:54:03 2017. OK I got it. tiny image hosting |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 13 20:25:24 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by B68 slow poke on Wed Sep 13 19:51:34 2017. I get your point, obviously I would want both to win over Warren, but unfortunately New York City is not a microcosm of the rest of the country! New York City does not have the blue collar vest working and middle-class neighborhoods that it once had. You are now either a ghetto rat, a hipster transplant from Wisconsin, or an out-of-touch well off to Rich individual who think that they are social justice Warriors. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 13 20:26:42 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by ftgreeneg on Wed Sep 13 19:25:09 2017. I mean to be honest, Warren knows not to come to my neighborhood because he knows what will happen to him. Look at what happened when he went to Whitestone in the summertime and the older white woman tore into him! |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 13 20:34:50 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 13 20:25:24 2017. You are now either a ghetto rat, a hipster transplant from Wisconsin, or an out-of-touch well off to Rich individual who think that they are social justice Warriors.That's odd. I'm none of those. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Sep 13 20:41:12 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 13 20:34:50 2017. Neither am I but their votes can do heavy damage. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 13 21:01:36 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 13 17:24:11 2017. Actually, the ME ruled that Garner died of airway obstruction, caused by manual asphyxiation.This wasn't just "duly noted", it was the primary cause of death. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 13 21:11:36 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 13 21:01:36 2017. The reason why they could not indict the cop is because he did not die of asphyxiation to his throat caused by compression of the Elway which was due to the position not he was prone on the ground and, due to his obesity. You are a grown man, in my age group, if you really believe that myth that police officers go out there and purposely want to kill people of color as they say, you are sadly mistaken. People that killed due to their own actions! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 13 21:12:13 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 13 20:34:50 2017. And you voted for Warren? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Sep 13 21:40:39 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 13 21:11:36 2017. He believes it since he calls it murder. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 14 08:03:41 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by B68 slow poke on Wed Sep 13 17:54:56 2017. Whoa, get a load of that tan on Bo Dietl ! lolBill Newkirk |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Sep 14 08:43:40 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 13 21:11:36 2017. The reason Pantaleo wasn't indicted, is because no Staten Island grand jury is going to charge a white cop for killing a Black man, even when that homicide is shown to them in living color. Garner was choked to death, the ME said so in writing, and that is a FACT.There most certainly are cops out there who have no problem killing people of color without a second thought, and this is at least partially because they know there's a fairly good chance they'll get away with it. The cop who killed 12-year-old Tamir Rice, for example, took just two seconds to shoot that child to death. Rice was playing with a toy gun, a normal childhood activity. No verbal commands, no warning, just gunshots. Oh, and no indictment. In the Garner case, even the PC said Pantaleo used a forbidden chokehold, yet that officer is a free man today. I find it incredible that you really believe Garner is to blame for being put to death over an offense that may not have even happened, and for which no death penalty should have been meted out. Now |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Sep 14 09:12:09 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Sep 14 08:43:40 2017. I will get to Tamir rice first, he wasn't a 12 year old kid playing with a toy gun which is a normal childhood activity. People were walking by and he was a very tall kid for his age and looked years older and was pointing a realistic-looking gun at Pastor buys, thus prompting people to call 911 and saying that there is a guy pointing a gun at people's heads. When the police rolled up to the scene, he reached into his pocket to grab such gun, thus causing his own demise.Now, on to Fat Albert. The medical examiner did not put in writing that he was asphyxiated via choke on the report. Did you see the official report yourself? He died from his poor health and the fact that he was just too heavy to be laying on the floor in the position that he did, thus causing his Airway to close. All you have to do is look at the video! Now, on to your last statement. Do you really think that it's like this Saturday Night Live skit with Eddie Murphy pretending he's a white person and that white people talk about Exterminating black people and their whiteness behind everyone else's back? Of course not! That's absurd! To think that a jury actually is going to acquit someone of cold-blooded murder because of their race is out of this world! He did not get invited because he did not commit a crime! And yes, Eric Gardner was known to everybody and so were his problems. You carry so many victim cards on your back, it blocks your whole view of reality! |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Sep 14 10:16:25 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Sep 14 09:12:09 2017. The medical examiner wrote that "compression of [Garner's] neck and chest" were the primary causes of his death. This was reported by every major media agency in the city, and is a matter of public record.In the Rice case, there is surveillance video of the shooting. Rice is turned with his back to the arriving cop, and has no time to reach for anything before the cop fills him full of holes. Oh, and race plays a major role in our criminal justice system, every single day. In a borough like Staten Island, this is especially true. The DA, Donovan, wasn't interested in indicting a white cop for killing a Black person, in a county full of his (white) constituents, many of whom are city cops. He deliberately made it easy for Pantaleo to walk. If you think first responders don't also look at Black people a certain way, note that the TWO EMS crews that responded to the Garner incident both failed miserably to do their jobs. They saw a Black man in police custody, and decided he wasn't worthy of the most minimal medical intervention, even though he had stopped breathing by the time they arrived. That is the reality of the society we live in. I saw this in action firsthand too many times. I know full well what some cops' attitudes really are. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 14 10:49:10 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Sep 14 10:16:25 2017. These cops did not just encounter Garner and start manhandling him. They were speaking to him for at least several minutes, attempting to have Garner surrender peacefully. Garner did not and eventually a forceful arrest had to be effectuated. If Garner had simply submitted to the arrest, he'd be alive today. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Sep 14 10:51:28 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 14 10:49:10 2017. "Comply or die?" |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 14 11:01:22 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Sep 14 10:51:28 2017. If they put me or you in that hold we'd be alive today. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Sep 14 11:21:37 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 14 11:01:22 2017. I seriously doubt that. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 14 11:29:46 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Sep 14 11:21:37 2017. So you don't think his size and existing medical conditions had anything to do with his death? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 14 11:35:12 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 14 11:29:46 2017. Never mind his mental state. Sounds like he should have been under some kind of hospital care for that. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Sep 14 11:35:14 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 14 11:29:46 2017. I think size and general health are irrelevant when your airway is being forced shut. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 14 12:01:38 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Sep 14 11:35:14 2017. The point is that his airway whether it was forced shut or not wasn't constricted long enough to kill him alone. It was the beginning of a chain of events that resulted in his demise.Everyone has to be willing to admit, no matter what your ultimate opinion on this matter is, that there are several factors that are part of this equation. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Sep 14 12:09:38 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 14 12:01:38 2017. If I hit someone unjustly, not hard enough to kill the average person, but the person I hit happens to be ill and dies, I get charged with manslaughter, don't I?I was on a jury once on a case where the defendant was charged with murder for a robbery where the act of robbery gave the victim a fatal heart attack. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 14 12:15:07 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 14 12:09:38 2017. You're comparing apples and oranges.And what I'm saying is based on the ME's report. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Sep 14 12:17:28 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 14 12:01:38 2017. The point is that his airway whether it was forced shut or not wasn't constricted long enough to kill him aloneIf that's true, why did the ME say manual asphyxiation was the primary cause of Garner's death? Yes, his size and health might have contributed to his death, but only insofar as these factors were aggravated by the fact that he was being choked to death. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 14 12:18:27 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Sep 14 12:17:28 2017. If he was choked to death he wouldn't have been able to speak |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 14 12:33:15 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 14 12:01:38 2017. The ME cited his poor health as a contributing factor. The ME also cited his prone position as a factor.So now police are not allowed to force suspects to the ground to effectuate arrest because one of them might suffer as a consequence? Please. This was an unfortunate outcome, but one that was caused by a man in poor health playing a dangerous game with the police. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 14 12:48:50 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 14 12:33:15 2017. I don't disagree. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Sep 14 14:07:23 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 14 12:18:27 2017. That is contradicted by the fact that Garner is dead, and the fact that a forensic pathologist stated, for the record, that he died as a result of being choked to death. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Sep 14 20:48:16 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Sep 14 10:16:25 2017. You just LOVE playing the victim, don't you? The mean old world is out to get you! No it's not. And I will be willing to bet you that 95% of the cops do not think of black people the way you just described. You make it seem like it's a klan meeting. I'll tell you this much, if they met Eric Gardner in different circumstances, meaning not on a 911 run about him, each and every one of those cops would have taken a bullet for him and would have also perform CPR to try to save his life if anything happened to him |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Sep 14 20:49:32 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Sep 14 10:51:28 2017. ^^^Excuses!!! |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Sep 14 22:28:53 2017, in response to Re: Congratulations New York City, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 14 12:09:38 2017. It's based on an old, OLD legal doctrine in criminal law that the defendant "takes their victim as they find him." It's sometimes referred to in tort cases as the "eggshell rule." |
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