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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 16 09:09:18 2015 Can someone please tell me what Mike Halstead wasn't true. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Sep 16 09:16:30 2015, in response to NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 16 09:09:18 2015. Public officials do not enjoy a right of "free speech" unless they are liberals. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 16 09:49:18 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Sep 16 09:16:30 2015. R2ChinaTown, you are a mensch. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 16 09:54:05 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed Sep 16 09:16:30 2015. 
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 16 09:54:54 2015, in response to NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 16 09:09:18 2015. The part where he said Black Lives Matter was a terrorist group.This has been Simple Answers to Simple Questions. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 10:03:56 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 16 09:54:54 2015. So chanting "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon" regarding the police is not encouraging terrorist activity in your opinion? Especially when black lives matter folk use that to execute innocent police officers. From your other post you are strongly against the death penalty, so why do you support innocent police officers being executed? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 16 10:16:29 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 16 09:54:54 2015. Like hell they're not a terrorist group. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 16 10:17:20 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 10:03:56 2015. Excellent post. It's a shame we can't agree more often. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 16 10:19:23 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 10:03:56 2015. So chanting "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon" regarding the police is not encouraging terrorist activity in your opinion?It is an objective fact that this is not encouraging terrorist activity in any capacity and this fact is obvious. As such, there are a few possibilities. 1. You are aware of this fact, but choose to lie about it because you are a white supremacist. 2. You are not aware of this fact because you are an authoritarian who believes all people must praise the government at all times. 3. You are aware of this fact but choose to lie about it because you are an internet troll. Which is it? |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 16 10:19:44 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 16 10:16:29 2015. Proff? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 16 10:23:43 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 10:03:56 2015. So chanting "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon" regarding the police is not encouraging terrorist activity in your opinion?Was that a policy statement of the group or a statement by individual members? If the latter, then why not call the Tea Party or for that matter the Republican Party a terrorist group too? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 10:39:52 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 16 10:19:23 2015. It is an objective fact that police officers should be summarily executed? And you call me an internet troll. The Black Lives Matter encourages the execution of innocent people. That is terrorist activity. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 10:45:23 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 16 10:23:43 2015. Nobody in the Republican Party is calling for people to go out and execute innocent individuals because of their line of work. The problem with groups like the Tea Party and Black Lives Matter are that they are everywhere and nowhere at the same time. There is no leadership structure that you can point to. As a result leaders of the smaller groups that operate under the ambit of "Black Lives Matter" or "Tea Party" you have to look at and it was one of the leaders of these smaller "Black Lives Matter" groups that did say this at a rally for his group |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 10:46:14 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 16 10:17:20 2015. No it isn't. Unlike you I do not hate my heritage. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 16 10:57:37 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 10:45:23 2015. Nobody in the Republican Party is calling for people to go out and execute innocent individuals because of their line of work.False. No leaders of the Republican Party are calling for violence. Selected individual members, who in no way represent their leadership, are. That's why I asked the question I asked. The same is true of the Democratic Party, of course. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 16 11:10:23 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 10:39:52 2015. My time is limited, and as such I can't afford to waste any attempting to debate "people" who are intellectually incapable of rational thought.As such, you'll need to prove yourself capable of reason to be worth my time. I asked you a question, namely why did you make irrational statements in a previous post. You have failed to provide a reasonable answer. Possibilities include: 1. You are a white supremacist. 2. You are an authoritarian. 3. You are an internet troll. Which is it? |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 16 11:20:40 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 10:46:14 2015. I take back my compliment. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 11:29:05 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 16 11:10:23 2015. If you consider me as less than a person then I do not know why I am even responding. If you look at New York Penal Law §490.20 the chants meet the definition of making a terroristic threat. If the law says it is terrorism that is all I can go by. As I am only aware of New York law on this subject I do not want to opine on the position other states may take.Since you also like posting lists of questions Olog won't answer, I have one for you: 1) Define rational 2) Define what is irrational |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 16 11:47:26 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 11:29:05 2015. 1) Define rationalForming beliefs based on the assumption that (1) there is an objective, shared reality and that our senses allow us to examine it in a manner which, though imperfect, is at least consistent, (2) the precepts of logic apply, and (3) beliefs are intended as tools to understand objective reality, meaning a false belief should always be corrected when we are able to correct it. 2) Define what is irrational Acting in a manner not consistent with rational thought as defined above. For example, you stated that a rhetorical chant was "terrorism." Terrorism refers to using the threat of violence to compel a person to act in manner furthering your political ends through fear. For example, if I threatened to kill a legislature who votes for a bill I don't like, that would be terrorism. While terrorism may use an actual violent act (even a murder) to lend credence to the threat, it is fundamentally the threat itself that defines it as well as the political function of the threat. The rhetorical chant you posted initially was made by an oppressed group not capable of making any serious political threats to anyone. As such, the claim that their actions constitute "terrorism" is not even wrong— it's completely incoherent, as if I declared that I punched an abstract concept such as death. That you made a completely incoherent statement suggests you are not rational (see definition above) but I offered a few explanations for your statement other than your irrationality. Namely: 1. Are you a white supremacist? If so, then you assume black people are "terrorists" by definition because you treat their existence as a political threat to your supremacy. 2. Are you an authoritarian? If so, then you consider the protesters to be "terrorists" by definition because you treat any disagreement with the government as a threat to its absolute power. 3. Are you an internet troll? If so, you knowingly make incoherent statements not because you believe them, but rather as a quasi-joke or to fulfill a need for attention. Which is it? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 11:57:54 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 16 11:47:26 2015. None of the above as none of your definitions are "rational" based on your definition of the word. Are you stating that blacks are so powerless they can never be terrorists? Terrorism is not just about using the threat of violence to compel a person to act in a manner furthering political ends. It can also be done to intimidate coerce a civilian population. Terrorism is not only political. If I say, "agree with me or you should be shot" that is a terroristic threat even though you are not a member of government. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 16 12:09:42 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 11:57:54 2015. None of the aboveSo then you are irrational? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 12:40:30 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 16 12:09:42 2015. No. It makes me rational. All of your choices were irrational. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 16 12:46:50 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 12:40:30 2015. Then why did you make the previously mentioned incoherent statement? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 12:52:51 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 16 12:46:50 2015. It was not incoherent. You just cannot handle the truth. The statement was said and based on the laws of New York it does constitute a terroristic threat. Just because you do not want to accept it in your narrow definition of what is "terrorism" does not mean that isn't. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 16 13:00:00 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 12:52:51 2015. You're still dodging the question of whether these are individuals or people authorized to represent the group as a whole. If the former, then calling the group as a whole a terrorist group remains quite inappropriate. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 16 13:05:51 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 12:52:51 2015. You have failed to prove you are capable of human reason, and are thus not worth my time. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 13:10:25 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 16 13:00:00 2015. I answered that in another post. Much like the "Tea Party," which I also do not care for, there is no organizational structure to the "Black Lives Matter" movement. There is no central figure that you can call a spokesperson, unlike organizations like NOI. It is all small, separate groups operating under the banner of "Black Lives Matter." Especially when other "Black Lives Matter" people are not distancing themselves from that message, it is fair to say that that message is supported by the other groups associated with that movement. Republican and Democratic parties are different as there is a leadership structure that his, at least publicly, disavowed many of the nutjobs in their ranks. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 16 13:17:13 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 13:10:25 2015. Especially when other "Black Lives Matter" people are not distancing themselves from that message, it is fair to say that that message is supported by the other groups associated with that movement.Really? How is that? Spider-Pig has posted here explaining the usage of the term "Black Lives Matter." I also haven't seem him explicitly say that killing cops is not a good thing, even though it is incredibly strongly implied by what he has posted. So he supports that message too? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 13:31:41 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 16 13:17:13 2015. Is Spider-Pig a spokesperson for "Black Lives Matter"? I am talking about what is said by the speakers at their rallies. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 16 13:46:15 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 13:31:41 2015. But you've already said there is no "they" there. You're talking in circles. Exactly who is the terrorist group? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 16 13:52:38 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 13:31:41 2015. Technically I am, because by posting what AlM says I did, I spoke out on behalf of and in favor of the movement. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 16 14:11:24 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 16 13:17:13 2015. I also haven't seem him explicitly say that killing cops is not a good thing, even though it is incredibly strongly implied by what he has posted. So he supports that message too?That depends on whether we're using WMATAlogic or Gameralogic from the Israel threads, in which failure to explicitly state rejection of any idea in every thread constitutes acceptance of that idea. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 16 15:03:05 2015, in response to NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 16 09:09:18 2015. Threads are won and lost daily.I see blm as a feminist group. Notice it's lead by unnattractive black women who see this as a way to be important. An excuse to engage in certain behavior. To be visible to spciety |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 16 15:16:21 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 16 15:03:05 2015. Win! Sums up #blm |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 16 18:36:07 2015, in response to Re: NC police chief out after calling Black Lives Matter a terrorist group, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 16 15:03:05 2015. No, it's a communist group and it's led by a white communist. Communists are automatically terrorists. |
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