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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 00:59:49 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by R2Chinatown on Fri May 29 00:32:20 2015. You called my comments racist so I asked you to describe to me what "white privilege" is. So far you have not. I'll be patient.No need for patience— the description has already been posted. |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Fri May 29 01:01:28 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 00:58:44 2015. I didn't say he can't. I'm giving him a chance to explain. Maybe your reading comprehension problems are what make you come across as arrogant and a phony, In any event, I have no interest in dealing with you. Good night. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Fri May 29 01:12:04 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by R2Chinatown on Fri May 29 01:01:28 2015. My first response was brief bc i was at work on a quick break i actually answered your question on my second response. But i will copy and paste what i wrote to save you the backtrack.'But just to humor you... Imagine ppl with your stereotypes you just mentioned which unfortunately a lot more ppl than u believe about every black person, now imagine those same ppl reviewing resumes with 'black or latino sounding' sounding names, imagine those same ppl reviewing loan applications, imagine them with a gun and a badge patrolling black neighborhoods or as neighborhood watch following a black kid as he walks to his father's house. Welcome to reality.' |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 04:47:45 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by R2Chinatown on Fri May 29 01:01:28 2015. You asked what is essentially a question of fact. Facts exist independently of whoever provided them to you.You made a racist post. You demanded to know why it was racist. I informed you why it was racist. You have now been informed, and you now know why your post was racist. Pretending that the explanation doesn't count because it didn't come from the "right" person is disingenuous. Maybe your reading comprehension problems are what make you come across as arrogant and a phony. This statement is absurd— it makes absolutely no attempt to be accurate, but does range from unmistakeably wrong to not even wrong. First, there is the implied claim that I have reading comprehension problems. This is obviously false. I'm one of the few people here who doesn't have reading comprehension problems. Second, there is the claim that I'm "arrogant." This is also obviously false. I am in no way arrogant. However, it is a fairly common occurrence for the mentally defective to mistake being right for being "arrogant" and since I tend to be right (at least compared to the average SubChatter; a low bar admittedly), they often use accusations of "arrogance" to try to deflect from the fact that they've been proven wrong. That I often respond to such accusations by condescendingly explaining the simple facts only cements their belief that I'm "arrogant," but because I only offer such condescending explanations to people who are already irrational it doesn't meet any meaningful definition of arrogance. And finally, the claim that I am a "phony" is not even wrong. This pseudo-statement cannot be considered false for the simple reason that it is too incoherent to have a truth value at all. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri May 29 12:18:50 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by FtGreeneG on Fri May 29 01:12:04 2015. Those may be bleak prospects. If I understand you correctly, though, you are saying that white privilege is simply not being viewed in the same way? Is that what you are saying? |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Fri May 29 16:46:07 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri May 29 12:18:50 2015. Well i really don't agree with the term 'white privilege' per se bc i don't thinj being white means everything will be easy but the truth is there are extra mine fields black latino or now muslim ppl deal with white ppl don't have to worry about. Its well documented that after graduating college it takes longer for black or latino ppl to find jobs rhan their white counterparts. Its well documnted that black and white ppl use drugs (and white usjjoong more fangerous drugs) at similar rates but blacks are 3x more likely to be arrested for drug offenses. Its well documented blacjs and latinos get longer sentences for the same offenses as whites. It's well documented blacks get turned down for loans at a far greater rate while having similar credit scores. And i can go on and on. Not to say it's impossible to overcome but might have to work harder or take longer to 'make it'. Its reality and for ppl to deny institutional racism doesn't exist is in serious denial. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 29 22:20:37 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 00:17:42 2015. Uh.. WHAT does Urban Dictionary have to do with this? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 29 22:21:34 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 00:15:56 2015. I already made an appointment for a full lobotomy. I hope it works. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 29 22:22:46 2015, in response to Re: ‘White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 00:15:35 2015. You just wrote "In Foghorn Leghorn voice" So.....Yeah, I thought so.Are you a Speciest now? |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 22:26:26 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 29 22:21:34 2015. Good luck. If it doesn't, they'll have to amputate at the neck. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 29 22:26:55 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 00:12:40 2015. I "spew at length" first about my job, NOW at me being part-German? I guess to you merely mentioning something in a sentence is "spewing"..I got your point. (Using Nilogic) You want me to be destroyed ala Dr. Mengele because of your sick mind. Nothing about Nazi Germany was humane. Sorry, but that won't work!!! |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 22:28:59 2015, in response to Re: ‘White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 29 22:22:46 2015. You just wrote "In Foghorn Leghorn voice" So.....Yeah, I thought so.OK, which part of that got you confused? Are you unfamiliar with the concept of using tone and inflection to convey additional information? Are you unfamiliar with the concept of using shared cultural references as shorthand? Are you a Speciest now? A what now? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 29 22:29:32 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 00:05:58 2015. You must have dyslexia of the brain! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 29 22:38:19 2015, in response to Re: ‘White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 22:28:59 2015. Yes I am.A speciest. Someone who thinks that one species is superior over another. And yes, I just made it up before you cry about it. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 29 22:39:37 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 22:26:26 2015. I'm nervous. I see it didn't work on you and that worries me. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 22:42:20 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 29 22:26:55 2015. I "spew at length" first about my job, NOW at me being part-German? I guess to you merely mentioning something in a sentence is "spewing"..No, anything you say is "spewing." I got your point. (Using Nilogic) You want me to be destroyed ala Dr. Mengele because of your sick mind. Well, it looks like my point flew right over your head. I guess your diseased brain is not capable of understanding human behaviour. Here's a hint: At no point did I ever say I wanted you to be destroyed. Rather, I was mocking your own habits with regard to murder. Do you need me to spell this out for you? When Tamir Rice was lynched, your diseased brain confabulated the idea that he had a gun and declared his murder justified because of the gun that you made up. When Eric Garner was lynched, your diseased brain confabulated the idea that he died of natural causes and declared his death non-murder because of the natural cause you made up. Any time a black man is murdered by a white man, you declare that it was justified, inventing imaginary circumstances as required, no matter how self-evidently it was actually murder. As such, I was mocking your racist bullshit by suggesting that if you were murdered in the most undeniably premeditated fashion, an inverted counterpart to yourself would declare it was justified by "self-defense." Advocating mass murder based on race is what the Nazis are known for, but what seems to have slipped past your cocaine-addled brain is that you were the one advocating that; I posted your argument and your logic exactly, merely with the name of the victim changed from "Tamir Rice" or "Eric Garner" to "Bill Brooklyn." Since you believe black people do not count as human, you failed to notice the similarity and correctly invoked a comparison to the Nazis. You have thus confessed as explicitly as you probably ever will: You want black people to be destroyed ala Dr. Mengele because of your sick mind. I'm afraid there's not much point in continuing to "argue" with a Nazi sympathiser, but I would like to note my amusement that you compared yourself to the Nazis before I did. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 22:43:13 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 29 22:29:32 2015. You asked me to prove your argument for you, dumbass.Where's that projection image...? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 29 22:46:40 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 22:42:20 2015. I got your point. I just choose to bust your balls about it.Now your biting my Dr. Mengele references. I don't like the Nazis. NO American or human should. Comparing YOU to him does NOT make me one. So take that "card" and put it back in the Victim Deck and take it out when you truly need it. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 29 22:47:01 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 22:43:13 2015. You still didn't. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 22:47:45 2015, in response to Re: ‘White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 29 22:38:19 2015. A speciest. Someone who thinks that one species is superior over another.I'm familiar with the term; I just don't see how it applies here. And yes, I just made it up before you cry about it. Um, no. The term is already in use. In fiction, where there actually are multiple sapient species for a society to discriminate on that basis. You, um, are familiar with the concept of "fiction," right? |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 22:50:05 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 29 22:46:40 2015. Unfortunately, a reasonable debate requires all participants to be rational and willing to both accept the facts and argue in good faith.You have repeatedly proven that you are either too irrational, too immature, or too stupid to meet those criteria. As such, any attempt to engage you in reasonable debate will be futile until you can prove you can act like a grown-up. In order to prove you have attained the necessary maturity, reason, education, and intelligence, please answer the following questions which you have been asked before but are constantly dodging. 1. Name one black person killed by a white person who you think didn't deserve it. (a) Did Oscar Grant deserve to die? (b) Did Walter Scott deserve to die? 2. Do you support reparations for segregation? If not, why not? 3. Why do even rich black people get harassed by store security when shopping? 4. Why are employers more willing to hire a white felon than a black man with no criminal record? 5. Why are cops more likely to shoot an unarmed black man than a white man currently committing a felony? 6. Why are black people so much poorer despite working just as hard? 7. Who are these mythical "guilt-ridden whites" you keep mentioning? 8. Define "systemic racism." |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 22:50:24 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 29 22:39:37 2015. Unfortunately, a reasonable debate requires all participants to be rational and willing to both accept the facts and argue in good faith.You have repeatedly proven that you are either too irrational, too immature, or too stupid to meet those criteria. As such, any attempt to engage you in reasonable debate will be futile until you can prove you can act like a grown-up. In order to prove you have attained the necessary maturity, reason, education, and intelligence, please answer the following questions which you have been asked before but are constantly dodging. 1. Name one black person killed by a white person who you think didn't deserve it. (a) Did Oscar Grant deserve to die? (b) Did Walter Scott deserve to die? 2. Do you support reparations for segregation? If not, why not? 3. Why do even rich black people get harassed by store security when shopping? 4. Why are employers more willing to hire a white felon than a black man with no criminal record? 5. Why are cops more likely to shoot an unarmed black man than a white man currently committing a felony? 6. Why are black people so much poorer despite working just as hard? 7. Who are these mythical "guilt-ridden whites" you keep mentioning? 8. Define "systemic racism." |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 22:53:24 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri May 29 22:47:01 2015. Correct. I did not prove your argument. In fact, I'm willing to concede that your argument is utter bollocks.Shall I explain to you how a debate works? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 30 02:59:08 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 22:50:05 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat May 30 09:15:18 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by FtGreeneG on Fri May 29 16:46:07 2015. So then it seems that the best you can do is say "white privilege" appears to mean not being associated with "black stereotypes". That's fair enough. Why do you think that they became stereotypes in the first place?Now what about "black privilege" ? There is no such thing? What about affirmative action? What about racial quotas? What about Mr. Policeman not pulling you over for minor infraction 'cause he doesn't want to be accused of the"R" word? What about grading on the curve and social promotion? Now there is privilege. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat May 30 09:35:00 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat May 30 09:15:18 2015. What about affirmative action?For every black person I've seen promoted beyond their level of competence because someone wanted to look like they were hiring enough blacks, I've seen 5 whites promoted beyond their level of competence because of cronyism. What about Mr. Policeman not pulling you over for minor infraction 'cause he doesn't want to be accused of the"R" word? Then why do all the statistics show disproportionate traffic stops for minorities? For every case like you describe, there are 5 officers doing racial profiling for no good reason. |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Sat May 30 11:41:40 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by AlM on Sat May 30 09:35:00 2015. "For every black person I've seen promoted beyond their level of competence because someone wanted to look like they were hiring enough blacks, I've seen 5 whites promoted beyond their level of competence because of cronyism."Of course that is just your objective, unbiased observations that we are talking about. There would be actual data to prove your point. But what about college admissions? Are you denying that a white candidate for medical or law school would likely be admitted to a US school when competing with a lesser or equally qualified student of color? "Then why do all the statistics show disproportionate traffic stops for minorities? For every case like you describe, there are 5 officers doing racial profiling for no good reason." From my observations only, most of the people stopped by police along Stewart Ave or Covert are white when it seems most of the people running stop signs and speeding are not. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Sat May 30 15:20:07 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat May 30 09:15:18 2015. 'Why do you think that they became stereotypes in the first place?'Because we are the only ones that live in single parent households, commit crime, do drugs, are on welfare, riot and do anything bad in this country?(of course not true but according to media and a lot of ppl it might as well be) 'What about Affirnative Action?' Did you know study after study suggest white women actually benefit the most from affirmative action. And yet they are STILL not paid and represented in the job equally as there male counterparts. IMO the real questiln is in 2015 its a shame Affirmatuve Action is still neccessary 'What about racial quotas?' Such as? 'What about Mr. Policeman not pulling you over for minor infraction 'cause he doesn't want to be accused of the"R" word?' Pretty much every statistic on who gets pulled over or arrested disagrees with you 'What about grading on the curve and social promotion? Now there is privilege?' And thats done execlusively bc of black ppl? There goes those stereotypes again... |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Sat May 30 15:21:05 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by AlM on Sat May 30 09:35:00 2015. +1000 |
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Posted by AlM on Sat May 30 15:56:34 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by FtGreeneG on Sat May 30 15:20:07 2015. +100 |
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Posted by AlM on Sat May 30 15:57:23 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by AlM on Sat May 30 15:56:34 2015. Sorry, that was before I saw your reply to me. Great minds think alike (almost)! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat May 30 17:03:40 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 22:50:05 2015. Pw3ned! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat May 30 17:04:56 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 22:53:24 2015. Yes! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat May 30 17:06:01 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 22:50:24 2015. Pw3ned! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat May 30 17:08:41 2015, in response to Re: ‘White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 22:47:45 2015. No, I'm not. Can you PLEASE draft up some long, nonsensicalresponse that has a myriad of paragraphs like you always do? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat May 30 17:09:07 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Fri May 29 22:50:05 2015. Pw3ned! |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Sat May 30 17:09:43 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by AlM on Sat May 30 15:57:23 2015. It's all good actually unknowingly replied the same with your response... :-) |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sat May 30 17:23:16 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by FtGreeneG on Sat May 30 15:20:07 2015. Yeah, yeah, yeah, got it all noted already. The point was that anything can be twisted and bent and called someone else's privilege. There is no white privilege. It's just an invention of liberals to excuse the total failure of 40 years of leftist social engineering. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 31 05:33:24 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat May 30 17:03:40 2015. Yes, you were. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 31 05:34:30 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat May 30 17:04:56 2015. Very well, it is agreed— I did not post any "nonsense" and Bill's claim that I did was erroneous. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 31 05:36:16 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat May 30 17:06:01 2015. Yes, you were. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 31 05:36:27 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat May 30 17:09:07 2015. Yes, you were. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 31 05:41:59 2015, in response to Re: ‘White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat May 30 17:08:41 2015. No, I'm not.Good. Start here. ... that has a myriad of paragraphs... Hey, complaining that you're too poorly educated to understand more than a sentence or two is GP Chris's schtick. Get your own. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 31 06:20:58 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu May 28 17:30:46 2015. Bill Cosby is another American success story. All of his recent troubles are chicks mad that he banged them and then didn't keep them in his payroll.BINGO! 
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 1 03:45:16 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Sun May 31 05:33:24 2015. Biter! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 1 03:47:18 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Sun May 31 05:34:30 2015. You did. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 1 03:52:06 2015, in response to BINGO! (Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots), posted by Nilet on Sun May 31 06:20:58 2015. You must TRULY have no life. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 1 03:52:25 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Sun May 31 05:36:27 2015. Biter! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 1 03:52:25 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Sun May 31 05:36:27 2015. Biter! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 1 03:52:40 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Sun May 31 05:36:16 2015. Biter! |
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