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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Mar 29 13:22:30 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 13:15:33 2015. You asked for examples and I gave them to you. All you need to do is search his posts and you will see every example I listed. If you want to keep your head stuck in the sand that is your choice and I hope you don't suffocate |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Mar 29 13:24:01 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 13:18:35 2015. Since I have never met Salaamallah how can I be his oppressor? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Mar 29 13:28:11 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 13:18:35 2015. By your logic a "minority" can never be a bigot even if, under the guise of equal rights, they wish to have greater rights for their "minority" group |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 13:37:21 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by AlM on Sun Mar 29 12:23:37 2015. His God has declared them as a lesser class of human, but he's never said he hates them.My god says that goyim are a lesser class of human, but what do I care? God's an asshole. Why should I listen to anything that Philistine foreskin fetishist fuckstain has to say? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 13:38:56 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 29 12:39:14 2015. She called it precedent.Precedent has a non-legal meaning which can be applicable— there is precedent for juries to nullify in politically charged cases. Without a link to her original post in context, I can't be certain as to what she said or believes. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 13:50:31 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by Dand124 on Sun Mar 29 12:44:02 2015. And I believe jury nullification can only be used to acquit a defendant not convict one...No, it can be used to convict too. Indeed, it often has. The youngest person to be executed in the United States (George Stinney, age 14 in 1944) was convicted for a crime his jury couldn't have believed he was guilty of— he was black, they were white, they nullified. ... if a judge found out jury convicted a defendant while believing him to be innocent of charges he would throw out the verdict. The judge can't ask the jury why they rendered the verdict. Even if the jurors later admitted they thought the defendant was innocent, that doesn't mean the charge is tossed— although I can't think of any cases offhand that specifically pertain to nullification, there are plenty of cases where jurors later recanted their verdict after new evidence of a defendant's innocence is revealed. Unfortunately, even 12 jurors agreeing to recant their verdict doesn't overturn it. The fact is that reversing a criminal conviction is incredibly difficult— plenty of innocent people spend decades trying; some never succeed. Legally, if the jury comes back with a guilty verdict, the trial judge does have the right to throw it out if he believes that no reasonable jury could have found the defendant guilty, but this is extremely rare and almost never happens. (If the judge believes a defendant's innocence is obvious enough to justify such a thing, the charge usually doesn't go to the jury in the first place; a judge can enter a verdict of "not guilty" without a jury's input.) Once the trial has ended and the conviction is entered, though, the only way to reverse it is by appeal, which is incredibly difficult. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 13:56:22 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by Dand124 on Sun Mar 29 12:46:39 2015. Ah, so what Bingbong said was:The entire point of a jury is to render a verdict. If they find something nobody thought up and it survives appeal....that's a precedent setting. From there, it becomes established law as it is used in subsequent decisions. That statement is accurate. The key phrase is: "and it survives appeal." A jury nullifying is a one-off thing of dubious legitimacy to begin with. An appellate court's ruling sets precedent. If the jury nullifies and an appellate court rules that their verdict is valid nonetheless then that does set precedent and becomes established law. Or rather, established case history, which my family full of lawyers insists is totally different but having not gone to law school is basically the same to me. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 13:59:43 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Mar 29 13:22:30 2015. You asked for examples and I gave them to you.You gave me your own words. They could be perfectly accurate representations of what Salaam believes, they could be willful misinterpretations, or they could be made up. Considering that Bingbong's statement: "If a jury nullifies and their verdict is upheld on appeal, the appellate court's ruling becomes precedent" somehow got mutated into: "If a jury nullifies, the law is instantly changed to match their opinions" in the minds of certain people who hate Bingbong, I will be needing sources so I can evaluate Salaam's actual words in context. All you need to do is search his posts and you will see every example I listed. You're the one making the claim, you're the one expected to support it. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 14:00:09 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by Dand124 on Sun Mar 29 13:19:23 2015. It might be a very short thread. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 14:00:42 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Mar 29 13:24:01 2015. Are you white? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Mar 29 14:01:19 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Mar 29 11:51:21 2015. assatta shakir did not kill any body |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Mar 29 14:01:56 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by Dand124 on Sun Mar 29 13:19:23 2015. spell my name correctly please |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 14:05:24 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Mar 29 13:28:11 2015. A member of an oppressed minority wishing his group had greater rights than his oppressors is not a social problem and depending on the circumstances it isn't even really a personal failing.Do you really not understand how power dynamics might be relevant? How: "I hate your group despite the fact that it's never done anything to me, so I shot your parents" may differ from "I hate your group because you shot my parents and I wish I could shoot your parents" in some fundamental way? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Mar 29 14:06:28 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 14:05:24 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 14:07:42 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Mar 29 14:01:56 2015. I think he's trying to compare you to pork.Which is surprisingly apropos since people who have been forced to find out directly all seem to claim that human flesh tastes a lot like pork. And when I learned that I could never eat pork again. :( |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Mar 29 14:07:43 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Mar 29 14:01:19 2015. Joanne Chesimard was convicted of the death of a police officer |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 14:08:55 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Mar 29 14:07:43 2015. And George Stinney was convicted of murder. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Mar 29 14:10:31 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 14:07:42 2015. i never ate the poison swine flesh ( the hog ) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Mar 29 14:11:54 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Mar 29 14:07:43 2015. What Is The Hands Off Assata Shakur Campaign?The Hands Off Assata Campaign is a coming together of organizations and individuals who are outraged by the heightened attempts by the federal government, congress of the united states and the state of new jersey to illegally force thru kidnapping a return of Assata Shakur from Cuba to the plantation United States. We know that Assata Shakur is a bona fide political exile living in the island nation of Cuba. She was persecuted for her political beliefs and tortured while in prison. We support the international human rights and Geneva conventions, which enabled her to seek and secure political asylum in Cuba, and we support the right of the Cuban people to grant it to her. We are shocked by the actions of new jersey and the department of justice, who has issued a $1 million dollar bounty on head of Assata Shakur. Doing such a thing is tantamount to a call to "soldiers of fortune" to kidnap and kill Ms. Shakur and for them to engage in international espionage against the sovereign nation of Cuba. We are shocked by the activities of the United States House of Representatives, which in September 1998 passed House Resolution 254, calling on the Cuban Government to extradite Assata Shakur. Given that there is no binding extradition treaty between Cuba and the United States, such a request is outside the context of international law. In addition, we call on the Congress of the United States to hold public hearings on the past and current impact of FBI's Counter Intelligence Program known as COINTELPRO. Given that Assata Shakur was not the only one politically persecuted for her political beliefs, we demand that a full airing take place on that program. And finally are calling on the United States end its hostility towards the tiny nation of Cuba by normalizing relations with the Island and ending the US economic blockade Assata Shakur: Sister, Woman, Exile, Mother, Grand mother ASSATA SHAKUR is an African woman. She is a social justice activist, a poet, a mother and a grandmother. She has lived in Cuba since the early 1980s. During the heady days of the 1960s and 1970s, she found herself a victim of both racial profiling and political targeting. After being spotted on the New Jersey turnpike on May 2, 1973, (DWB) driving while Black, it was discovered that she and her two companions were known members of the Black Panther Party and the Black Liberation Army. Like Martin Luther King, Jr. Malcolm X, Leonard Peltier and many members of the Civil Rights and American Indian Movements, Assata and her companions had been watched, their phones tapped, their families monitored, their organizations infiltrated, and widespread disinformation campaigns waged against them. They were like many activists of the day targets of the FBI's Counter Intelligence Program (COINTELPRO). In fact, Assata was wanted, not for anything she had actually done, but for a variety of crimes that government and state officials were trying to pin on her. This was common in the 1970s: discredit the voice of activists by painting them as criminals, trumping up indictments, tying them up in courts and if possible jailing them. In the mid 1970s, The Church Committee of the Senate Select Committee to Study Government Operations and the Domestic Intelligence Subcommittee, headed by Senator Walter Mondale, provided incontrovertible documentation of a government sponsored conspiracy against the civil and human rights of all sorts of political activists. THUS ON THAT DAY IN MAY, Assata was a marked woman. And after police stopped them, a shoot out occurred. When the smoke cleared one police officer, and one of Assata's companions, Zayd Shakur lay dead. Assata, shot in the back and dragged from the car, lay wounded. Only belatedly taken to the hospital, Assata was then chained to her bed, tortured and questioned while injured. In fact, she never received adequate medical attention even though she had a broken clavicle and a paralyzed arm. Nonetheless, she was quickly jailed, prosecuted and incarcerated over the next few years for the series of trumped up cases. Interestingly, in five separate trials, and with majority white juries, charges were dismissed because of lack of evidence or she was acquitted of all charges ranging from bank robbery to murder. As the manager of one bank said at trial - she is just not the one who robbed my bank. Only in the final trial in 1977, where she was charged with the Turnpike killings, was she found guilty. This even though forensic evidence taken that day showed that she had not fired a weapon. She was sentenced to life + 33 years in prison. In 1979, and after nearly six years behind bars, she escaped from Clinton Correctional Facility for Women in New Jersey and some time later emerged in Cuba where she applied for and received political asylum. Since being in Cuba, she has continued her college education, published an autobiography, and writes on global issues facing women, youth, and people of color. DURING THE 1990S, rightist politicians and police bodies - this time in conjunction with conservative members of the Cuban-American community - reinvigorated their attempts to pursue Assata Shakur. They did this even though Assata has not tried to re-enter the United States and is, according to international law, a political exile who should be left alone. Linking "fear of crime" rhetoric with anti-Cuban sentiment, New Jersey governor Christine Todd-Whitman issued a bounty which was $100,000, on the head of Assata Shakur. She even went as far as to announce her bounty on Radio Marti, the US government radio station which beams anti-Castro propaganda into the Caribbean. To do such a thing put Assata in danger because it is tantamount to encouraging any opportunists to kidnap and/or kill her for pay. In addition, in 1998, Congressmen Franks and Menendez from New Jersey and Ros-Lehtinen and Diaz-Balart of Florida introduced and got passed - House Resolution 254 - which calls for the Cuban government to extradite Assata Shakur as a condition to normalizing US-Cuba relations. Interestingly, while Assata and Cuba are portrayed as "criminal", a terrorist bombing campaign - thought to be sponsored by ultra-rightist forces in the United States - has been launched against Cuba, killing and injuring Cuban citizens and foreign tourists alike. Elder Steering Committee (in formation): Warrior Steering Committee (in formation) Endorsers (in formation): Black Radical Congress, Global Exchange, Jericho, Malcolm X Grassroots Movement, National Conference of Black Lawyers, IfCO/Pastors for Peace, Venceremos Brigade, Women's International League for Peace and Freedom, Prisoners Of Conscience Committee, New Black Pather Party, The Talking Drum Collective, FTP Movement, The Uhuru Movement, African People's Socialist Party, Black August Organizing Committee, SF Bay View Newspaper, Native Youth Movement What can you do? Add your organization's name to our list of endorsers/Take petitions. Contact your Congressperson. Demand that he/she rescind House Resolution #254 and ask them to support congressional hearings on COINTELPRO. You can use a Congressional email service to look up your rep's email: http://www.house.gov/writerep Download and print the "Hands Off Assata Shakur" Flyer Plan a showing of the film Eyes of the Rainbow (1997). This film portrays the life and current struggles of Assata Shakur. Download and View: Eyes Of The Rainbow Keep visiting www.assatashakur.org for current HOA-Campaign Info. Organize a The Hands Off Assata Shakur Campaign Rally and Teach In in your respective cities and towns Send contributions: The Talking Drum Collective, P.O. Box 1921, Stone Mountain, Ga. 30086 Any questions, contact us at www.assatashakur.org using the contact us form. Link to this site. Get an Hands off Assata Action Alert RSS Feed Also participated in the monthly Action Alert |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 14:12:02 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Mar 29 14:10:31 2015. It's not poison.Although I suppose, technically neither is human flesh. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Mar 29 14:12:32 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 14:12:02 2015. it smells horrible when cooked |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 14:13:55 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Mar 29 14:11:54 2015. That's ridiculous. When has the United States ever forced someone into exile under threat of wrongful imprisonment entirely for political reasons? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Mar 29 14:15:29 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 14:13:55 2015. Edward Joseph "Ed" SnowdenIAWTP |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Mar 29 14:37:39 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 14:08:55 2015. Stinney's conviction was vacated even though he was long dead. That is part of my opposition to the death penalty. Joanne Chesimard's conviction has never been vacated and the evidence of her participation was much greater than Stinney's |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Mar 29 18:24:41 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Mar 27 23:22:29 2015. Is your name mtk52983?? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 29 18:24:56 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by Dand124 on Sun Mar 29 13:19:23 2015. It should be Eirenology of Terror. Go ahead. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 29 20:10:51 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 14:13:55 2015. LOL! |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 21:53:14 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Mar 29 14:37:39 2015. Stinney's conviction was vacated even though he was long dead.Well then it wasn't meaningfully vacated, was it? He's still being punished, so as far as he's concerned he's still convicted. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 30 01:28:22 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Mar 27 23:24:14 2015. Easily. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 30 05:22:10 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 13:18:35 2015. EVERYONE'S equal. Cut it out with the whole Lefty myth of something that doesn't exist.ANYONE can be racist. ANYONE can be bigoted. Here's a question, if whites only make up a small percentage of the Earth's population compared to other races, wouldn't THEY be the minority? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 30 05:27:01 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 04:14:59 2015. SInce you always seem to bring up my name when I'm not around, it makes you my little stalker. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 30 05:35:24 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is White, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 04:14:19 2015. I'm not brown actually. I'm very pale and ruddy with freckles. Yes, you are white even though it must KILL you to be so.How do WE know what society says about him? He's mulatto-mestizo hispanic, end of story. YOU just want him to be white so you can blame the "evil white man" for Treyvon's death, as opposed to it being a killing by a mentally unstable nutjob. I'm aware that Mankind came from Africa. Never denied it NOR do I care, so don't put words in my mouth. BHO was raised by his whore of a mother in a white family. So, shouldn't THAT make him socially white? His Kenyan father split. A race is a contest where participants are pitted against each other to see who can get to a predetermined finish line the fastest. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 30 05:37:50 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 30 05:27:01 2015. Mentioning someone outside of their immediate presence is not stalking.(Citation still needed, by the way.) |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 30 05:38:22 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 04:03:47 2015. Everyone here knows you and your out-there views on everything and anything.Also, TRYING to play cute little tricks like taking credit for what *I* write and switching it around to seem like you said that isn't going to work. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 30 05:39:41 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 03:47:17 2015. Then GET OFF OF MY DICK!! It's as simple as that.Yeah, no... |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 30 05:43:19 2015, in response to Re: Bill Brooklyn: 9 PM Meet Or Not?, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 03:26:30 2015. White supremacist? I think not.BUT, I WAS there! RIGHT where I told you I was going to be, as I was in the area. YOU never showed up. Don't bother lying up a response either. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 30 05:45:42 2015, in response to Re: Bill Brooklyn: 9 PM Meet Or Not?, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 03:23:05 2015. Apparently, you didn't look at ALL of the posts as I told you it would have to be 11 as I was in the area. I was still working at 9. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 30 05:47:36 2015, in response to Re: Bill Brooklyn: 9 PM Meet Or Not?, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 03:20:03 2015. And JUST how would I prove it? I was there, that's ALL I know. AND knowing this makes all of your false comments null and void. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 30 05:47:36 2015, in response to Re: Bill Brooklyn: 9 PM Meet Or Not?, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 29 03:20:03 2015. And JUST how would I prove it? I was there, that's ALL I know. AND knowing this makes all of your false comments null and void. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 30 05:51:51 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 30 05:22:10 2015. EVERYONE'S equal.So why are black people so much poorer overall? Why do black people make up a vastly disproportionate percentage of the prison population? What about segregation? Do you seriously think that "separate but equal" was actually real? Or that people who were denied access to housing, jobs, and education on account of segregation somehow managed to recoup the massive economic losses? Remember, many of them are still alive— and most of their children certainly are. Remember, socioeconomic status is hereditary; poor parents have poor children. Cut it out with the whole Lefty myth of something that doesn't exist. You yourself acknowledged that white privilege is real when you admitted that white people can call the cops when they get robbed but black people can't. ANYONE can be racist. Incorrect. The term "racism" is typically used as a synecdoche for "systemic racism." Systemic racism benefits white people at the expense of everyone else. As such, only white people can be racist— while a black person can certainly declare that he hates all other races, the complete absence of institutional power behind his declaration makes it meaningless and irrelevant. ANYONE can be bigoted. Again, when people talk about bigotry, they're generally referring to the combination of prejudice and power. "I hate you because of your race" is not a societal problem. "I hate you because of your race, and my hatred is socially acceptable (or at least tolerated) so I can get away with killing you" is a societal problem. Here's a question, if whites only make up a small percentage of the Earth's population compared to other races, wouldn't THEY be the minority? The term "minority" is based on the numbers in America, and although it's become a shorthand for "oppressed group" it doesn't mean the same thing. Women represent about 50% of the population, yet they still constitute an oppressed group. In South Africa, black people comprised about 90% of the population and yet were still an oppressed group under apartheid; by numbers, white people were a small majority but were still the privileged group. Or are you planning to claim that apartheid benefited black people? Power dynamics matter; numbers don't. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 30 05:54:58 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 30 05:37:50 2015. Well, when you're talking shit about me when I'm not around in other threads makes you an obsessive stalker. Are you really a girl? You sure act like one. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 30 06:00:04 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 30 05:51:51 2015. Who, in your eyes, who is NOT an oppressed group? Get your thinking into modern times. It's 2015, not 1815. Time to move ahead. YOU said blacks can't call the police, I never said no such bullshit as ANYONE can call the police.White privilege is a term coined by the Left. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 30 06:20:07 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is White, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 30 05:35:24 2015. I'm not brown actually. I'm very pale and ruddy with freckles.Post your skin tone (it doesn't have to be a photo) and I'll see. Mine is probably about #F5E0CC which is certainly somewhere in the brown group. Yes, you are white even though it must KILL you to be so. Why? Being white is a pretty sweet deal— I get more money, more respect, more power, less chance of being murdered, and a whole bunch of other things. Of course, that doesn't mean I can't be aware I have these perks or that I have to fight to deny them to other people. I actually find it curious that every time I point out that society confers special advantages on white people, you immediately scream: "WHITE GUILT!" Obviously, there's no reason to be guilty that you passively benefit from unfair institutions you didn't actually create, but if I so much as mention the topic you assume I'm wracked with guilt. Considering that the right wing is infamous for their projection, I can't help but wonder that maybe you are feeling guilty about being white and the screaming bigotry you've expressed is part of your coping mechanism; deny the problem because if the problem doesn't exist you couldn't have had any role in it. If so, allow me to assure you that there's no need to feel guilty about being white. Yes, you were given an unfair advantage, but you didn't have any control over that and weren't offered any ability to opt out. All you need to do is recognise you have the advantage; there's no fault in that. In fact, the best thing you can do is leverage that advantage to promote racial equality. How do WE know what society says about him? Society let him carry a gun. In public. And pursue unarmed teenagers. Despite knowing he had a reputation for this. If you seriously think any non-white person would be allowed to do that, you're really clueless. He's mulatto-mestizo hispanic, end of story. That's not even a thing. America has never had a racial category for "mulatto-mestizo." YOU just want him to be white so you can blame the "evil white man" for Treyvon's death... Whereas you are insisting he can't possibly be white because no true white man would commit a hate crime. So, do you think Martin deserved to be shot? ...as opposed to it being a killing by a mentally unstable nutjob. When a black man commits murder in cold blood, media say: "He was in a gang!" When a brown man commits murder in cold blood, the media say: "He was a terrorist!" When a white man commits murder in cold blood, the media say: "He was a good person, he just suffered from mental illness." You're insisting Zimmerman can't be white because you apparently think white people never commit hate crimes, and yet you're giving him the cliché white person's excuse for a violent crime. I'm aware that Mankind came from Africa. Never denied it NOR do I care, so don't put words in my mouth. So then you agree that no one who has ever lived has ever had 100% European ancestry. BHO was raised by his whore of a mother in a white family. Precisely what makes her a whore? So, shouldn't THAT make him socially white? No, because race is not defined by what family you were raised in. At the moment, race is defined pretty much entirely by skin tone; if your skin tone is among the lightest 5% then you're white; if it's among the darkest 70% then you're black. However, this was not always the case; initially, "white" meant you were born in England or you were born in Virginia with your most recent non-Virginian parents born in England, while "black" meant you were born in Africa or you were born in Virginia with your most recent non-Virginian parents born in Africa. In the early 19th Century, "white" meant you had light skin, no confirmed dark-skinned ancestors, and no confirmed German, Italian, eastern European, Irish, or Jewish heritage. Later, the Irish became white; Germans became white about a generation later; pale-skinned Jews became white after the Holocaust made antisemitism unfashionable, and ultimately we reached the definitions in use today. A race is a contest where participants are pitted against each other to see who can get to a predetermined finish line the fastest. However, in this context, it's an arbitrary division of a population into an in-group and out-group, traditionally made by the aristocracy to keep the commoners fighting each other and unlikely to overthrow them. The technique was invented in the late 17th century, but if you've ever voted Republican then it's working like a charm today. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 30 06:21:54 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 30 05:54:58 2015. Well, when you're talking shit about me when I'm not around in other threads makes you an obsessive stalker.Nope. That's not what stalking means. Or are you claiming that you are Barack Obama's stalker? Are you really a girl? You sure act like one. Oh, you're a sexist too, huh? Let's see you try to explain that statement in a way that doesn't prove you're a sexist. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 30 06:25:16 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 30 05:38:22 2015. Everyone here knows you and your out-there views on everything and anything.Such as? It's almost a cliché at this point— some nut claims I hold crazy views on "everything" but when asked to name a single specific position I hold that they consider crazy and why, I get nothing but crickets. Also, TRYING to play cute little tricks like taking credit for what *I* write and switching it around to seem like you said that isn't going to work. Now you're simply making up random shit. So by the way, here are the questions you dodged: Name one thing I've ever said that is "full of shit." Note that I said "...that IS full of shit," not "...that Bill Brooklyn thinks is full of shit," as we have already established that your near-complete inability to distinguish between fantasy and reality makes your opinions worthless. And while you're at it, why exactly should Stevie Wonder have a harder time than anyone else in figuring out that you're full of shit? I don't exactly know him, but statistically, most people would be able to figure it out from a handful of your posts. I can always start a List of Questions Bill Can't Answer if I need to. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 30 06:27:01 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 30 05:39:41 2015. Cluck CLUCK CLUCK CLUCK CLUCK CLUCK!! Cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck.Cluck, cluck... Sorry, what was that? I couldn't hear you over the sound of you chickening out of our in-person meet, Mr. Internet Tough Guy. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 30 06:30:51 2015, in response to Re: Bill Brooklyn: 9 PM Meet Or Not?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 30 05:43:19 2015. Cluck cluck? Cluck cluck cluck.You've already confirmed it. Many times. BUT, I WAS there! RIGHT where I told you I was going to be, as I was in the area. (a) You told me not to come; you never confirmed despite repeated requests. (b) You claim you showed up two hours late in case I came anyway. (c) Pics or it didn't happen. YOU never showed up. How do you know? You wouldn't even recognise me— for all you know, you could have walked right past me. Cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck. The simple fact is, you chickened out and now you're desperately flailing about trying to find a convincing lie. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 30 06:33:46 2015, in response to Re: Bill Brooklyn: 9 PM Meet Or Not?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 30 05:45:42 2015. Apparently, you didn't look at ALL of the posts...I posted that it was nine o'clock three separate times and you responded acknowledging all three. At no point did you claim 11 didn't work for you— until you chickened out, that is, and decided that pretending to have made a mistake over the time might be a good excuse. ...cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck... You were saying? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 30 06:35:22 2015, in response to Re: Bill Brooklyn: 9 PM Meet Or Not?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 30 05:47:36 2015. I was there, that's ALL I know.I was there, and I can confirm you weren't. Apparently, that makes your comments null and void. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 30 06:45:16 2015, in response to Re: George Zimmerman Is WRONG, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 30 06:00:04 2015. Who, in your eyes, who is NOT an oppressed group?Think about it for a second. Get your thinking into modern times. It's 2015, not 1815. Time to move ahead. That's some sage advice. I hope you manage to take it. YOU said blacks can't call the police, I never said no such bullshit as ANYONE can call the police. Nope. Most black people learn not to call the police, ever, under any circumstances— because if you're black they're more likely to arrest you than the person who robbed you. If you don't think that's true, we can try asking Salaam. White privilege is a term coined by the Left. Regardless of who coined the term, the concept is very much real. So why are black people so much poorer overall? Why do black people make up a vastly disproportionate percentage of the prison population? |
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