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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 18:39:46 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 2 17:10:12 2013. If you don't want to get pregnant, then don't get pregnant. Don't commit murder because it's convenient to you. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 19:05:46 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 2 17:14:52 2013. And? You would condone MURDER just so some selfish person won't have a reminder of their pain? Some people are maimed and have to live with their whole life, and you would want a woman to murder her child just because it was born in painful circumstances? |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 2 19:15:10 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 18:39:46 2013. That is NOT 100% in anyone's control. Aside from surgical intervention (tied tubes of either gender) NO contraceptive measure works 100%.You can be on the pill for years with no problems or surprises and one day on antibiotics can result in a pregnancy. Rape is a hate crime first and foremost. No woman deserves this to begin with, and NONE deserve to be weighted down with a child for 20+ while the criminal creep walks in 4, if he does any time at all. Let's not lose sight of who the criminal is here. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 2 19:18:59 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 19:05:46 2013. If she has an abortion she won't be murdering a child, which by definition is one that has been born. She can go on to have children in happier circumstances, by choice and hopefully with a committed partner.The criminal that maims someone is going to be in prison a lot longer than the average rapist that does 4 years IF convicted, and that's always an uphill battle to begin with. Let's not lose sight of who the criminal is and who the victim is here. You are really coming off as a hateful horrid person here. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 19:22:24 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 2 19:15:10 2013. Unfortunate things happen all the time. You don't murder an innocent person to make it easier on yourself. You take it like a woman and you accept your lot in life. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 19:25:28 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 2 19:18:59 2013. Except that you believe that, but pro-life people believe that it's a person and that aborting it is murdering it. That's why they oppose abortion, not because they hate women or some other bullshit.I'm not coming off as a hateful person. I'm coming off as someone who can take a premise and argue for it despite my personal beliefs. You just don't pay attention. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 2 20:17:56 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 19:22:24 2013. There is no reason why any crime victim should have to suffer all of this. Period. It is just another compelling reason to preserve choice for all, without hardship, without difficulty. This is a fundamental right of women, all part of the American experience of self-determination. NOBODY can change that.Just give it up, you've lost this. NOT your body. Period. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 2 20:22:03 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 19:25:28 2013. No, they hate women. If they didn't they would understand that only the woman involved has the right to decide how to approach a pregnancy. It has nothing to do with anything more, no caring for anyone involved (they don't...it's all about control) or they would do something not only for the 17 week old baby but the 17 YEAR old and everything in between. But these same people cut housing, cut food support, cut education and cut jobs/training. They do NOT care about that baby or its mother one iota. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 20:22:15 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 2 20:17:56 2013. It's not your body either. It's the baby's body, soul and mind and you would MURDER it because carrying it to term and raising it is too painful for you. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 2 20:22:30 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 19:25:28 2013. No, they hate women. If they didn't they would understand that only the woman involved has the right to decide how to approach a pregnancy. It has nothing to do with anything more, no caring for anyone involved (they don't...it's all about control) or they would do something not only for the 17 week old baby but the 17 YEAR old and everything in between. But these same people cut housing, cut food support, cut education and cut jobs/training. They do NOT care about that baby or its mother one iota.And yes,it's TOTALLY hateful. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 20:26:11 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 2 20:22:03 2013. There's a difference between cutting off aid and MURDER! |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 2 20:37:22 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 20:22:15 2013. It's not a baby until it can survive on its own outside the mother's body. Until then it's a fetus. Only the delusional can distort reality to that point.It is only a decision that can be made by the woman involved herself. It's tragic, yes, but often for the best. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 2 20:44:50 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 20:26:11 2013. Murder applies once one is alive. Cutting off food so someone starves is a form of murder.Not bringing an unplanned child into the world when one has no chance of being able to raise it for any of a plethora of legitimate reasons....such as being unable to feed it for the next 20 years is NOT. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 2 20:56:48 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 19:25:28 2013. to "argue" your point of view..does not emphatically make your "point of view" any saner than a person saying there are exactly 10 suns out in spacial dark matter.sure he CAN SAY IT.. Sure,,he CAN even go out of his way to debate it..but no amount of debating skills will make flawed "logic" appear truthful no matter how bad you want otherwise. know WHY you hate the Bible? it shows exactly how and why people act in the manner they do..it points out the ugly truth about human nature that most cannot stand to see. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 2 21:57:42 2013, in response to The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Nov 1 08:51:21 2013. Of course the initial rollout has not been successful. That said, neither was the rollout of the Medicare Part D enrollment. The rollout of the new online Common Application for college enrollment, begun last May, is still not functional, leading colleges to postpone their application deadlines; and this was not run by the government.Anyway, there is still plenty of time to get this right. The problem was, beyond incompetence, a deadline fixed in statutory stone that required the exchanges to begin on 1/1/14, plus the unexpectedly high number of states that declined to set up their own exchanges. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 2 22:09:35 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 2 21:57:42 2013. Been trying to indicate that all along as one who works in that realm. But alas, nobody wants to hear it because they believe Obama was asleep in his Pascal and Ruby on rails computer science courses. :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 22:25:49 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 2 20:37:22 2013. It's not a baby until it can survive on its own outside the mother's body. Until then it's a fetus. Only the delusional can distort reality to that point.Almost. But there are people who believe it is a human life. That's why they oppose abortion. It's not because they hate women. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 2 22:37:17 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 22:25:49 2013. They do hate women because they dismiss their existence in their fetal cult delusion. It's not a baby until it can survive outside the mother. Until then it's a fetus.And what do these hateful creeps make of miscarriages? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 22:40:39 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 2 22:37:17 2013. They do hate women because they dismiss their existence in their fetal cult delusion. It's not a baby until it can survive outside the mother. Until then it's a fetus.Survival outside the womb is not a reasonable standard. And that's my actual personal opinion. You previously mentioned an EEG: that's a reasonable standard. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 22:41:05 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 22:40:39 2013. And now I'm talking my personal opinion. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 22:41:40 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Edwards! on Sat Nov 2 20:56:48 2013. Yawn. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 2 22:43:04 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 22:40:39 2013. EEG is necessary for survival...survival means without heroic medical intervention. That's how SCOTUS defined it. |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Sat Nov 2 23:21:19 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 19:25:28 2013. "I'm not coming off as a hateful person. I'm coming off as someone who can take a premise and argue for it despite my personal beliefs. You just don't pay attention."Bravo, Mr. Pig. Just wonderful. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Nov 2 23:59:21 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Tony Clifton on Sat Nov 2 23:21:19 2013. Not. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 3 23:03:39 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 22:41:40 2013. fitting..flawed "logic" at its very best. continue to "debate"..while we watch in blazing wonder.. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 3 23:05:52 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Tony Clifton on Sat Nov 2 23:21:19 2013. wonder if you'd been singing that tune if your wife decided she wanted an abortion when she found out she was having your baby. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Nov 3 23:37:53 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Nov 2 22:09:35 2013. More likely, his Logo courses. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 3 23:41:54 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by italianstallion on Sun Nov 3 23:37:53 2013. Heh. I was kinda thinking XBasic. :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 4 00:37:13 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 3 23:05:52 2013. Women who have abortions average about the same number of children as those who don't. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Mon Nov 4 00:55:13 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 4 00:37:13 2013. By the same father? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 4 03:25:31 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Mon Nov 4 00:55:13 2013. No, they usually choose better the next time. :) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 4 04:41:16 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 4 00:37:13 2013. hmmm...most of the women that come to the community center i work at either have or haven't. and most who have expressed a deep sorrow. We don't judge..we help. we hold counseling groups during the week for men and women at risk.. this is WHY I can tell most of you don't have a clue about most of the crap you are saying.. we[my wife,brother in law,and myself] deal with these folks on a daily basis..from young teenagers to senior adults. hands on counseling..home visits..referrals..lawyers..interventions..recovery..all of that and more. you let people know that you care about them through words and deeds. you SHOW THEM a better way to deal with.. come to terms with or overcome real issues that affect their lives. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 4 05:41:17 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 4 04:41:16 2013. And right there on the deep sorrow about it. These folks think that such critical decisions are done like some kind of trip to the beauty parlor. :( |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Nov 4 06:42:11 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 2 12:31:41 2013. Martin Luther King? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 4 09:32:37 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 4 04:41:16 2013. That's called a selection bias. Most women who have abortions don't have any remorse whatsoever, and therefore have no need to share it with anyone at a community center.The only reasons anyone would have any remorse over an abortion is if they never have any children (especially if the abortion were botched and they can't), or if their religion made them feel bad about it. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Nov 4 09:54:46 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 4 09:32:37 2013. Great post. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 4 16:41:47 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 4 09:32:37 2013. no such thing as selection bias...like I said..MOST who shared their emotional baggage did so because they WANTED to..not because they had to.. AND,when they DID..REMORSE was VERY EVIDENT.. See..thats the DIFFERENCE between between people WITH emotional content..and those who are only out for themselves..selfish bastards like yourself. Also..you cannot assume that a person with or without children wouldn't feel any sort of regret...one way or another. People aren't that cold or barren of feelings..the way you would want. What drives me to do what I do,is people like You..quick to "blame religion" for everything..yet fail to see how they worship Mammon and Humanism as "their god..". The more unfeeling..robotic..if it feels good..anything EVERYTHING GOES..the better for everyone. No one thinks about the reaction..or the effects..or picking up the pieces after disaster. What we do is help people.. we do OUR JOBS very well. Doesn't matter what any of you think..we get it done...regardless of what Mammon tell you. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 4 16:59:27 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 4 16:41:47 2013. As usual, you are completely clueless.There is definitely such a thing as selection bias. The people whom you've spoken to are self-selected. You would only have spoken to people who CHOSE to speak to you. You said so yourself. That's not a representative sample because you didn't speak to women who had no problem with their abortion. I don't have to assume anything. People have done REPRESENTATIVE surveys on this matter and most women feel no remorse. If you believe that is because they are emotionless, then apparently you believe that most people are emotionless. And there is the problem. You are so brainwashed by your faith, that you can't imagine how anyone can live without it. Which is why you have to come up with straw man religions like "humanism" and "mammon" to explain something that you can't possibly comprehend. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 4 22:11:43 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 4 16:59:27 2013. ahh..so now we come down to it..What you call "select bias" is a bullshit term used by those who need to quantify actions without logical recourse.. You have shown such actions by "selectively" deciding that "humanist" studies are more important than the human mind spirit and soul..and the effects of what trauma can do. "REPRESENTATIVE STUDIES" is another term you use to sequester your attachment to man.. You are a fool..a bigger fool than I though. I don't believe "people are emotionless"..I believe people are more in touch with what makes us who we are,than what you lack. You say "faith" brainwashes us.. my answer to you is simple enough. Look what YOUR FAITH has wrought..a belief in MANkind at a level that defies common sense..recklessness..abandonment..genocidal..murderous..poisonous..lovers of self..no self control..and other vises so vile it cannot be mentioned here. Again..you KNOW I know what this..and YOU are all about.. You despise our work..[ie feeding the mind heart and souls..] due to the conflict it brings to who you are. You're use of so called "logic" is nothing more than claptrap nonsense..formulated to dull the senses..kill any trace of connection to what TRUE SELF is... You sell DEATH..while we offer life. I stand corrected..you are not a fool..you are worse. you are evil. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 4 22:25:48 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 4 05:41:17 2013. as SHOWN by our resident PIG..Some folks dont think about the effects of their actions..the far reaching conclusions..how everyone is interconnected in some way. We don't need to "guilt trip" anyone..[like that fool assumes],we don't,nor have we ever forced anyone to share anything..but in most cases..people need to release..NEED to get "it out" so they can feel better. Also..I'd like to point out,our community center is NOT church organized ..it is an community outreach program set up by "police officers..lawyers..community activist..who are trying to save lives. so basically..he doesn't have a damn clue. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 4 22:33:19 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 4 22:25:48 2013. Yeah, having seen the kind of thing you're attached to, I understand. I can also understand how folks are nervous about the "faith-based" ones because they DO do that kind of judging and pressure on folks who are vulnerable. That's one of the reasons why bingbong and I both go where we do when this sort of thing comes up. Real Christians know who does the judging and it ain't us. :)And bless you for doing REAL works. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 5 02:23:14 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 4 22:33:19 2013. exactly...see,if i didn't have compassion for people..i couldn't be bothered. i understand WHY these guys feel the way they do,even if they don't..so bitter..so angry..with themselves.. yet,these "workers of iniquity" are not few in number.their path is marked by "their works"...by pretense,they win over the confidence of the unaware..they show "great affection", a great deal of interest in women who seek counsel..pretending to care..filling them with words of ruin mixed with honey. guys like Morris love to pretend..but when you take a close look at them..look behind their foolishness ...you SEE they are "wicked men,pressing their darkness all around us.working in places of influence to deceive...and devourer." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 5 04:52:25 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 4 22:11:43 2013. Being called evil by the likes of you is high praise. I am proud of the fact that I am anathema to you. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 5 05:48:39 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 5 02:23:14 2013. I tend to chalk it up to "they know not what they are doing" ... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 5 15:12:11 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 5 04:52:25 2013. of course..evil men relish EVERY opportunity to ply their craft.shown in your statement.." I am proud...I am etc...",its more than your SUPEREGO here..its your whole purpose..what makes YOU, YOU. You. It's your pride..your deceitful nature..your lack of "control". the fact that you've been found out,little devil... oh sure..you'll say something clever..or witty..to make a sound bite appear zingy..or maybe remain silent to show indifference..but WHATEVER you do..it wont matter one bit. you've been exposed by your own words,devil. |
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Posted by B68 slow poke on Tue Nov 5 15:30:05 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 5 15:12:11 2013. Why is it not possible to go to a single payer system. And MAKE IT WORK. If we have the finest military in the world [run by the FEDS] Then we should be able to have the finest health care system in the world. [Run by the FEDS] |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 5 15:35:12 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 4 16:41:47 2013. Good Post |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 5 15:38:04 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by B68 slow poke on Tue Nov 5 15:30:05 2013. Because although I'm sure the FEDS mean well, look at what they have done to Medicare & Medicaid.Why not start by offereing free medical school and then free malpractice insurance and other free expenses. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 5 15:46:10 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 5 15:12:11 2013. I have been exposed as more rational and intelligent than you. But that has already happened years ago. Your further ranting only puts more nails in your coffin. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 5 15:50:39 2013, in response to Re: The end of my Obamacare Saga, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Nov 5 15:35:12 2013. How is it a good post? Do you know what a selection bias is? Edwards! obviously doesn't.Edwards! is a mental midget of the lowest order. He's incapable of good posts. Even crazy people like Olog-hai and his followers are capable of posting things that are useful from time to time. Edwards! is the subway preacher of these boards: loud and spewing nonsense and ultimately making no sense. |
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