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Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 6 22:00:51 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by daNd124 on Sat Jul 6 18:07:42 2013. Hardly an overrun. Since a piece of the tail is in the bay on the approach and the jetty looks like it took a hit, it seems pretty obvious that the tail may have struck the jetty before the plane reached the runway. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Sat Jul 6 22:31:23 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 6 22:00:51 2013. that's very clear now, at the time a made the post it sounded like an overrun. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 6 22:32:05 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by daNd124 on Sat Jul 6 22:31:23 2013. ok |
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Re: Watch ABC news Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Jul 6 22:53:51 2013, in response to Re: Watch ABC news Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 6 17:32:43 2013. And Chicago (WLS), and San Francisco (KGO) |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 6 22:57:16 2013, in response to Re: Watch ABC news Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 6 17:04:30 2013. I know that, but I don't watch much TV and thought that "ABC News" might be some new cable channel. I just turned there too late. |
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Re: 2, possibly 3 dead, 304 survivors (Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes at SFO) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 6 23:14:58 2013, in response to 2, possibly 3 dead, 304 survivors (Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes at SFO), posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jul 6 21:04:55 2013. As per MSNBC - only 1 remains unaccounted for...that 304 or 305 survived is a minor miracle in itself.actually, as Easy pointed out years ago, the chances of surviving a crash are higher than you thing. we always think about AF447 or Continental in Buffalo, but there usually are survivors in most crashes. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 6 23:15:43 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by daNd124 on Sat Jul 6 22:31:23 2013. and some were reporting "emergency landing". |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 6 23:31:41 2013, in response to Re: Watch ABC news Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Jul 6 22:53:51 2013. Wasn't sure about the others - before DirecTV lit up our local stations, we had the superior viewing experience of the NYC and LA network stations. It was fun watching all the freeway helicopter chases pre-empting everything. :) |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 6 23:35:17 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 6 23:15:43 2013. On CNN one of their experts called it a "crash landing" but the anchor turned that into "emergency landing" evidently not realizing that they mean different things. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 6 23:36:44 2013, in response to Re: Watch ABC news Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 6 23:31:41 2013. It was fun watching all the freeway helicopter chases pre-empting everything. :)lol. Is LA uniquely ridiculous in that regard? We routinely have the entire newscast preempted to watch some knucklehead driving around LA. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 6 23:40:29 2013, in response to Re: Watch ABC news Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 6 23:36:44 2013. Hate to break it, but yeah ... never seen such silly anywhere else. Prior to actually tuning in for the LA morning or lunchtime news shows since I usually woke up around noon out here or later, I thought the OJ chase was a one of a kind thing. Apparently though, I found out that if someone goes through a red light out there, all helicopters are in the air waiting for the car to lose its tires, go airborne and down the side of a bridge abutment. :)Life must be pretty boring out there if something like that pre-empts a Presidential speech, much less the judge shows. Heh. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 6 23:45:00 2013, in response to Re: Watch ABC news Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 6 23:40:29 2013. We have lots of helicopters looking for something to do. If a chase happens outside of prime new hours it doesn't even make the news, but if they can broadcast it live then it's the top story. As you guys say, if it bleeds it leads! :) |
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Posted by daNd124 on Sat Jul 6 23:48:03 2013, in response to Re: Watch ABC news Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 6 23:45:00 2013. in most cities stations have been getting rid of their helicopters, they cost a lot. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 6 23:53:56 2013, in response to Re: Watch ABC news Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 6 23:45:00 2013. But it doesn't even bleed ... it crawls. Maybe if they were helicopter gunships with missiles or something taking out the car, maybe three different camera angles of explosion and mushroom cloud over the wreck, then it might live up to that Hollywood expectation. :) |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 7 00:54:35 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 6 22:00:51 2013. Still trying to get my head around a tail strike so severe it separated the entire empennage from the rest of the aircraft...but in terms of human casualties, this could have been much, much worse. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 7 01:19:13 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 7 00:54:35 2013. Look into what happened in London back in 2008 ... same thing. :( |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 7 02:24:47 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 7 00:54:35 2013. makes you wonder how weak this fuel-efficient planes are today. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 7 02:27:56 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 7 02:24:47 2013. FWIW, the 777 has the best safety record of any metal tube being floated by angels. And jut LOOK at the survival rates! A well-designed plane absorbs impact instead of the passengers and by gum ... it worked.I'm no fan of flying either, but I'm impressed just the same. And the flight crew did a fabulous job of getting everybody out of there before it flamed up. That too is mighty impressive! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 7 03:05:46 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 7 02:27:56 2013. interesting.wonder where Cortelyounext was when he heard the news? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 7 03:23:52 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 7 03:05:46 2013. Obviously not on that plane. :)I'm sure he's waiting to hear what happened so he can learn from it. That's what pro's do when they're not baking or shaving ice. Heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 7 04:03:20 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 7 02:27:56 2013. Reuters article on the 777's safety record for anyone who cares:http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/07/us-usa-crash-asiana-safety-idUSBRE96602920130707?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Mon Jul 8 14:43:06 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 7 03:05:46 2013. I arrived in Seattle a little after 0100 this morning after flying from Chicago O'Hare to San Francisco yesterday evening and then up here to Seattle. I landed 28R and saw the wreckage. I'll be working Seattle to Newark this evening. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Jul 8 17:14:42 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by cortelyounext on Mon Jul 8 14:43:06 2013. Do you know any of the pilots on 885? I posted an eyewitness description by one of them in another post. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Jul 9 12:32:37 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by Dave on Mon Jul 8 17:14:42 2013. Do you know any of the pilots on 885?I don't know but I doubt it. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jul 9 17:19:36 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Jul 9 12:32:37 2013. This is sort of scary:Subject: Re: [retup] Low-down on Korean pilots Tom Brown After I retired from UAL as a Standards Captain on the –400, I got a job as a simulator instructor working for Alteon (a Boeing subsidiary) at Asiana. When I first got there, I was shocked and surprised by the lack of basic piloting skills shown by most of the pilots. It is not a normal situation with normal progression from new hire, right seat, left seat taking a decade or two. One big difference is that ex-Military pilots are given super-seniority and progress to the left seat much faster. Compared to the US, they also upgrade fairly rapidly because of the phenomenal growth by all Asian air carriers. By the way, after about six months at Asiana, I was moved over to KAL and found them to be identical. The only difference was the color of the uniforms and airplanes. I worked in Korea for 5 long years and although I found most of the people to be very pleasant, it’s a minefield of a work environment ... for them and for us expats. One of the first things I learned was that the pilots kept a web-site and reported on every training session. I don’t think this was officially sanctioned by the company, but after one or two simulator periods, a database was building on me (and everyone else) that told them exactly how I ran the sessions, what to expect on checks, and what to look out for. For example; I used to open an aft cargo door at 100 knots to get them to initiate an RTO and I would brief them on it during the briefing. This was on the B-737 NG and many of the captains were coming off the 777 or B744 and they were used to the Master Caution System being inhibited at 80 kts. Well, for the first few days after I started that, EVERYONE rejected the takeoff. Then, all of a sudden they all “got it” and continued the takeoff (in accordance with their manuals). The word had gotten out. I figured it was an overall PLUS for the training program. We expat instructors were forced upon them after the amount of fatal accidents (most of the them totally avoidable) over a decade began to be noticed by the outside world. They were basically given an ultimatum by the FAA, Transport Canada, and the EU to totally rebuild and rethink their training program or face being banned from the skies all over the world. They hired Boeing and Airbus to staff the training centers. KAL has one center and Asiana has another. When I was there (2003-2008) we had about 60 expats conducting training KAL and about 40 at Asiana. Most instructors were from the USA, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand with a few stuffed in from Europe and Asia. Boeing also operated training centers in Singapore and China so they did hire some instructors from there. This solution has only been partially successful but still faces ingrained resistance from the Koreans. I lost track of the number of highly qualified instructors I worked with who were fired because they tried to enforce “normal” standards of performance. By normal standards, I would include being able to master basic tasks like successfully shoot a visual approach with 10 kt crosswind and the weather CAVOK. I am not kidding when I tell you that requiring them to shoot a visual approach struck fear in their hearts ... with good reason. Like this Asiana crew, it didnt’ compute that you needed to be a 1000’ AGL at 3 miles and your sink rate should be 600-800 Ft/Min. But, after 5 years, they finally nailed me. I still had to sign my name to their training and sometimes if I just couldn’t pass someone on a check, I had no choice but to fail them. I usually busted about 3-5 crews a year and the resistance against me built. I finally failed an extremely incompetent crew and it turned out he was the a high-ranking captain who was the Chief Line Check pilot on the fleet I was teaching on. I found out on my next monthly trip home that KAL was not going to renew my Visa. The crew I failed was given another check and continued a fly while talking about how unfair Captain Brown was. Any of you Boeing glass-cockpit guys will know what I mean when I describe these events. I gave them a VOR approach with an 15 mile arc from the IAF. By the way, KAL dictated the profiles for all sessions and we just administered them. He requested two turns in holding at the IAF to get set up for the approach. When he finally got his nerve up, he requested “Radar Vectors” to final. He could have just said he was ready for the approach and I would have cleared him to the IAF and then “Cleared for the approach” and he could have selected “Exit Hold” and been on his way. He was already in LNAV/VNAV PATH. So, I gave him vectors to final with a 30 degree intercept. Of course, he failed to “Extend the FAF” and he couldn’t understand why it would not intercept the LNAV magenta line when he punched LNAV and VNAV. He made three approaches and missed approaches before he figured out that his active waypoint was “Hold at XYZ.” Every time he punched LNAV, it would try to go back to the IAF ... just like it was supposed to do. Since it was a check, I was not allowed (by their own rules) to offer him any help. That was just one of about half dozen major errors I documented in his UNSAT paperwork. He also failed to put in ANY aileron on takeoff with a 30-knot direct crosswind (again, the weather was dictated by KAL). This Asiana SFO accident makes me sick and while I am surprised there are not more, I expect that there will be many more of the same type accidents in the future unless some drastic steps are taken. They are already required to hire a certain percentage of expats to try to ingrain more flying expertise in them, but more likely, they will eventually be fired too. One of the best trainees I ever had was a Korean/American (he grew up and went to school in the USA) who flew C-141’s in the USAF. When he got out, he moved back to Korea and got hired by KAL. I met him when I gave him some training and a check on the B-737 and of course, he breezed through the training. I give him annual PCs for a few years and he was always a good pilot. Then, he got involved with trying to start a pilots union and when they tired to enforce some sort of duty rigs on international flights, he was fired after being arrested and JAILED! The Koreans are very very bright and smart so I was puzzled by their inability to fly an airplane well. They would show up on Day 1 of training (an hour before the scheduled briefing time, in a 3-piece suit, and shined shoes) with the entire contents of the FCOM and Flight Manual totally memorized. But, putting that information to actual use was many times impossible. Crosswind landings are also an unsolvable puzzle for most of them. I never did figure it out completely, but I think I did uncover a few clues. Here is my best guess. First off, their educational system emphasizes ROTE memorization from the first day of school as little kids. As you know, that is the lowest form of learning and they act like robots. They are also taught to NEVER challenge authority and in spite of the flight training heavily emphasizing CRM/CLR, it still exists either on the surface or very subtly. You just can’t change 3000 years of culture. The other thing that I think plays an important role is the fact that there is virtually NO civil aircraft flying in Korea. It’s actually illegal to own a Cessna-152 and just go learn to fly. Ultra-lights and Powered Hang Gliders are Ok. I guess they don’t trust the people to not start WW III by flying 35 miles north of Inchon into North Korea. But, they don’t get the kids who grew up flying (and thinking for themselves) and hanging around airports. They do recruit some kids from college and send then to the US or Australia and get them their tickets. Generally, I had better experience with them than with the ex-Military pilots. This was a surprise to me as I spent years as a Naval Aviator flying fighters after getting my private in light airplanes. I would get experienced F-4, F-5, F-15, and F-16 pilots who were actually terrible pilots if they had to hand fly the airplane. What a shock! Finally, I’ll get off my box and talk about the total flight hours they claim. I do accept that there are a few talented and free-thinking pilots that I met and trained in Korea. Some are still in contact and I consider them friends. They were a joy! But, they were few and far between and certainly not the norm. Actually, this is a worldwide problem involving automation and the auto-flight concept. Take one of these new first officers that got his ratings in the US or Australia and came to KAL or Asiana with 225 flight hours. After takeoff, in accordance with their SOP, he calls for the autopilot to be engaged at 250’ after takeoff. How much actual flight time is that? Hardly one minute. Then he might fly for hours on the autopilot and finally disengage it (MAYBE?) below 800’ after the gear was down, flaps extended and on airspeed (autothrottle). Then he might bring it in to land. Again, how much real “flight time” or real experience did he get. Minutes! Of course, on the 777 or 747, it’s the same only they get more inflated logbooks. So, when I hear that a 10,000 hour Korean captain was vectored in for a 17-mile final and cleared for a visual approach in CAVOK weather, it raises the hair on the back of my neck. Tom |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Jul 9 17:34:34 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by Dave on Tue Jul 9 17:19:36 2013. What's even MORE scary? The actual Pilot Flying (PF) the 777 on short final had, according to published reports, just forty-three hours in that type. "CAVOK" means "Ceiling And Visibility OK"--a bright, sunny day--and this flight crew STILL managed to tear the empennage right off their airplane...SMH! |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Jul 9 18:04:19 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by Dave on Tue Jul 9 17:19:36 2013. On Sunday evening at SFO I happened across a classmate from 737 training in Houston over the summer. Like me, he was a United double furloughee. During his second furlough, he went over to KAL and flew 747s I think it was. He could not get out of that place fast enough. He found the culture to be so foreign, literally and figuratively, to that which we as American aviators have come to expect and appreciate. The flight deck environment, the interaction between Captain and crew (CRM), was difficult if not altogether non-existent. I heard about the rote memorization but the additional stress just added to the inherent stress that is already part and parcel of flying. I need to be careful and want to be diplomatic so I'll end by simply stating there is a perception slash reality call it what you will that the Captain is Almighty and the F/O hesitates to suggest/recommend/correct actions.Almighty |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 9 19:25:15 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Jul 9 18:04:19 2013. one of my goals in 2013 is to be a passenger on the aircraft of cortelyounext.Hey, I'm in NYC for the week and guess who I ran in to today? RPanse!!! |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Jul 9 19:43:52 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 9 19:25:15 2013. RPanse? I thought you put that guy on the List a few years ago for conduct unbecoming or for being obsessed with Palin or something like that. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Jul 9 19:47:19 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 9 19:25:15 2013. Why do you weigh so much? You weigh 225 pounds. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 9 19:47:21 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Jul 9 19:43:52 2013. RPanse is cool. He is fit and swims times a week but I don't know how many.Anyway, don't go far. I'm about to start a series of threads that are sure to go 100 deep with replies. I'm in a mood to w1n every thread tonight. Are you afraid of me being a passenger on your airplane? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 9 19:52:15 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Jul 9 19:47:19 2013. 225 is too much. You'd never guess my body weight if you saw me and I could be a passenger on your B737.So I'm eating less and doing weights. My goal weight is 210 or so. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 9 20:01:05 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 9 19:47:21 2013. No need to do 100 deep, think of Larry's poor hard drive. Given your expertise and excellence, here's your reward, you've already earned it! :)
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Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Jul 9 20:12:21 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 9 19:47:21 2013. I am not afraid and I am not looking for any trouble from you. I win practically every thread even if I am just responding. I remember a few years ago I lost one to Verbal Kent something about heavy cruiser air defense tactics during the night Battle of Savo Island off Guadalcanal. I knew I was losing that one but I was too proud so I just kept posting stuff that made no sense to throw him off but he saw it for what it was and proceeded to slowly but surely destroy my line of reasoning with argument until I got scared and stopped posting. It was sad. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 9 20:21:44 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Jul 9 20:12:21 2013. You do w1n threads.dand124 was winning until he tried to do two things today: 1. He thought he could defame Dennis Prager 2. He brought up the wrong Brentwood So back to you. You are a B737 pilot for United and I travel often. Nearly got into a head-on at mile marker 130 in Fredericksburg, VA so I'm open to helping to pay your salary as a passenger on your plane. I'm just waiting for responses to the Charles Poliquin weight lifting article. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 9 20:22:41 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 9 20:21:44 2013. 1. He thought he could defame Dennis PragerIt's not defamation if it's true. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 9 20:37:00 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 9 20:22:41 2013. I won't be getting into an argument about great men like Dennis Prager and Hugh Hewitt tonight. If you can meet them in person, I suggest you do so.Please participate in the latest Charles Poliquin thread about weight lifting and fat loss. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 9 20:39:21 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 9 20:37:00 2013. Please participate in the latest Charles Poliquin thread about weight lifting and fat loss.Why? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 9 20:50:47 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 9 20:39:21 2013. Why?It's important. Very important. Can't wait to read Easy, Bauman, WMATA and SUBWAYMAN. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 9 20:52:12 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 9 20:21:44 2013. He brought up the wrong Brentwoodi brought up the brentwwod i intended to bring up. |
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Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 9 20:53:16 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 9 20:50:47 2013. In what way should I contribute? |
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Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jul 9 21:03:32 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 9 20:21:44 2013. dand124 gets routinely destroyed by me, Spider-Pig and RPM among others. |
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Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 9 21:04:16 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jul 9 21:03:32 2013. I agree with dand124 on a lot of things. |
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Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 9 21:04:19 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 9 20:53:16 2013. For $50, you get a totebag.For $100, you get the DVD AND the totebag For $500, Praeger will mention your name on the air For a lifetime contribution, you get to run the show. :) |
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Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 9 21:07:17 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 9 21:04:19 2013. I wasn't talking about Praeger. |
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Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 9 21:07:35 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jul 9 21:03:32 2013. I saw RPanse on the 7 train today.I'm going to have a Pizza Summit with myself and go back to Florida. There I swim in the Gulf. |
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Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 9 21:08:46 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 9 21:07:17 2013. But he's still the prize for your valuable contribution. No substitutions! :) |
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Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Jul 9 21:09:35 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 9 21:07:35 2013. I'm going to have a Pizza Summit with myself and go back to Florida. There I swim in the Gulf.That's pretty good. |
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Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 9 21:15:18 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Jul 9 21:09:35 2013. That's pretty good.It's better than eating Pupusas. Sorry. Pizza is better than Pupusas. Pupusas are famous in El Salvador and I pretended to like them but I didn't. |
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Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 10 01:07:56 2013, in response to Re: FAA: Asiana Airlines flight crashes while landing at San Francisco airport; injuries unknown, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 9 21:04:16 2013. when he's right, it's often for the wrong reasons. |
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