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Posted by hound on Sun Apr 13 20:11:34 2008 It's finally happening-MTA BUs coming to LIB Tuesday for housecleaning. LIB president Neil Yellin is gone-replaced by Joe Smith of MTAB. Buses to be overhauled & repainted without orange stripe,diesels rebuilt,facilities improved,drivers & mechanics retrained,bus stops improved & relocated,etc. This was all confirmed by MTAB management during tour of Grand Ave. facility today. |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sun Apr 13 20:19:11 2008, in response to MTA BUS Takeover, posted by hound on Sun Apr 13 20:11:34 2008. It should be the other way around add the orange stripe to the MTA buses. |
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Posted by PATransit on Sun Apr 13 20:30:25 2008, in response to MTA BUS Takeover, posted by hound on Sun Apr 13 20:11:34 2008. i cant wait to see this lol and they getting of those Orion VII's too... |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Apr 13 20:33:28 2008, in response to MTA BUS Takeover, posted by hound on Sun Apr 13 20:11:34 2008. Hopefully this means schedules at bus stops, electronic info display board like the ones at Mineola at places like the Freeport and Hicksville LIRR stations, better North Shore (N23 and N27) service, more trips on LIB routes that run to Suffolk County on Sundays, and etc... |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Apr 13 20:35:19 2008, in response to MTA BUS Takeover, posted by hound on Sun Apr 13 20:11:34 2008. If true, I will miss those blue and orange stripes... |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Apr 13 20:36:42 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by PATransit on Sun Apr 13 20:30:25 2008. Meh... |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Apr 13 20:49:03 2008, in response to MTA BUS Takeover, posted by hound on Sun Apr 13 20:11:34 2008. Actually, from what you said, it appears as though existing NYC Transit Authority staff is taking over. MTA Bus is headed by Thomas Savage. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Apr 13 20:53:19 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by busdude2 on Sun Apr 13 20:19:11 2008. After all, orange and blue are the city colors of New York. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Apr 13 21:43:00 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Apr 13 20:49:03 2008. What will this mean about the bus numbers [ie: how will LIB be incorporated into NYCT?] |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Apr 13 21:49:03 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Apr 13 21:43:00 2008. The fleet numbers would obviously have to be changed to avoid duplication. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Apr 13 22:09:45 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Apr 13 21:49:03 2008. Exactly my point, but given there's also MTA bus - would there be any numbers left over under 9999? Or would they just slap an extra 1 at front and make all LIB above 10,000? |
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Posted by metropod on Sun Apr 13 22:13:17 2008, in response to MTA BUS Takeover, posted by hound on Sun Apr 13 20:11:34 2008. heard it before. not getting excited yet.and why was MTAB at Grand Ave? |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sun Apr 13 22:18:22 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by PATransit on Sun Apr 13 20:30:25 2008. They will get Orion VII, they just order 60 buses of Orion VII Next Generation (CNG fuel) coming next year.... |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Apr 13 22:20:35 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Apr 13 22:09:45 2008. "Exactly my point, but given there's also MTA bus - would there be any numbers left over under 9999? Or would they just slap an extra 1 at front and make all LIB above 10,000?"Well...they may just have to. I don't see any other way around it at this time. And if they decide to bring Westchester in down the line, the same may have to be done there. Of course, it's all speculation at this point. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sun Apr 13 22:32:57 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Apr 13 22:20:35 2008. They could use numbers 1200-1859 or 3784-4299, or 4330-4899. |
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Posted by MCI D4000 81994 on Sun Apr 13 22:34:30 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Apr 13 22:20:35 2008. Isn't 1201-1859, 2210-2704, 2924-2999, 3785-4299, 4330-4899 along with some various intermixed numbers available? There sounds like there would be enough to cover LIB |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Apr 13 22:39:52 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by MCI D4000 81994 on Sun Apr 13 22:34:30 2008. As well as a number of other numbers if you were to consolidate some buses(IE All MTAB O5CNGs into 97-9900s, All MTAB RTSs into 7000s, or perhaps they could fit into 58-5900s with the Diesel O5s) |
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Posted by 42B-North Main St-Tower Av-Coventry/Vine on Sun Apr 13 22:41:59 2008, in response to MTA BUS Takeover, posted by hound on Sun Apr 13 20:11:34 2008. Hold on for one second. Has anyone realizes that LIBuses is a big customer of CleverDevice. Anyways, since MTABus is NYCT portege, wouldn't that be a big clash because the way NYCT is swaying, almost all the buses will have Siemens AVLs by 2020. I don't know, but something major must be done so MTABus and LIBus can be one.Daniel M |
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Posted by Operator3319 on Sun Apr 13 23:14:33 2008, in response to MTA BUS Takeover, posted by hound on Sun Apr 13 20:11:34 2008. Just Speculation and rumor at this Point why would they get another President when Savage is the President of MTABC and Smith recently was promoted to SVP @ the DOB coming from MTABC where is the proof if any mta.info is not updated to show any changes |
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Posted by Operator3319 on Sun Apr 13 23:29:11 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Apr 13 22:32:57 2008. 4330 and up would'nt work there is supposed to be MCI's with those numbers |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Mon Apr 14 00:04:35 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Apr 13 22:20:35 2008. Very true. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Mon Apr 14 00:06:57 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by R30A on Sun Apr 13 22:39:52 2008. I just wonder why they didn't number all the ex-QSC O5's as 97xx-99xx, but renumbered the RTS 97xx and the rest of the O5's as 85xx. The numbering system just doesn't make much sense at all. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Apr 14 00:10:09 2008, in response to MTA BUS Takeover, posted by hound on Sun Apr 13 20:11:34 2008. I'd say it's more of LIB operations being merged seeing as it's already a MTA agency. |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Mon Apr 14 03:40:39 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by 42B-North Main St-Tower Av-Coventry/Vine on Sun Apr 13 22:41:59 2008. for commonality, they can change over to Siemens.The Santa Monica Big Blue Bus LNG NABIs came with CleverDevice announciators ( factory installed by NABI ). Santa Monica changed over to the Siemens systems and needless to say, all buses, even the NABIs have the siemens AVL system. |
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Posted by prpapi718 on Mon Apr 14 06:08:16 2008, in response to MTA BUS Takeover, posted by hound on Sun Apr 13 20:11:34 2008. I KNEW IT .I KNEW MTA BUS WAS GOING TO TAKE OVER SOMETHING IN APRIL AND THE FIRST THING THAT THEY GOING TO TAKE OVER IS LONG ISLAND BUS WHICH WIL BE MTA BUS BY TUESDAY.ALL BUSFANS OUT THERE IN LONG ISLAND U MIGHT SEE HYBRIDS IN LONG ISLAND THAT SUCKS. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Apr 14 06:44:00 2008, in response to MTA BUS Takeover, posted by hound on Sun Apr 13 20:11:34 2008. Why would they rebuild diesels that are 15-18 years old? |
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Posted by Mr RT on Mon Apr 14 07:13:41 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Apr 13 20:49:03 2008. Nope, as he's retiring next month. |
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Posted by Mr RT on Mon Apr 14 07:17:40 2008, in response to MTA BUS Takeover, posted by hound on Sun Apr 13 20:11:34 2008. Are you just assuming that Neil Yellin is out, or has he realy left/retired ? |
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Posted by Caseyjim on Mon Apr 14 07:48:50 2008, in response to MTA BUS Takeover, posted by hound on Sun Apr 13 20:11:34 2008. As for the renumbering of the buses now in the charge of the MTA Bus Company, if Westchester's Bee Line System came into the fold, then those buses should be prefixed with the letter W for Westchester, those from Long Island Bus, with the letter L and any vacant number series that may be available should be used as well. |
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Posted by busway flyer on Mon Apr 14 07:54:18 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by Caseyjim on Mon Apr 14 07:48:50 2008. Letters used by NYCTA or MTA-BUS match their perspective borough, so N is just fine for Nassau. Otherwise, people would be confused.Example, L4 FREEPORT sounds odd, leave those route numbers for WMATA, CTransit, etc. It already consfusing enough. Charlie - BFTA |
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Posted by BusMgr on Mon Apr 14 09:04:09 2008, in response to MTA BUS Takeover, posted by hound on Sun Apr 13 20:11:34 2008. This really doesn't seem to make sense from a management perspective. It is commonly accepted in most customer-oriented businesses that decision-making authority be vested in employees as low in the management chain as possible in order to provide the most timely and responsive actions possible. Only those functions absolutely common to all facilities (such as general policy, shareholder services, etc.) should be centralized and consolidated at the business's headquarters.Adding a layer of MTA bureaucracy at the top of Long Island Bus will likely increase the response time and create situations where it will take longer for decisions to be made. At the same time, absent some real structural changes, the benefits of centralizing high level management may not be there. For example, fiscal policy (such as the level of county subsidy provided) is decided by Nassau County. Unless MTA gets control over Nassau County's finances (something I imagine few Nassau County voters trust of the MTA), the high level management decisions will have to keep coming from the County. Finally, there may be some Federal equal protection issues if MTA Bus Company becomes a "regional" authority. With New York City Transit Authority and Metropolitan Suburban Bus Authority, the service areas of the two authorities were New York City and Nassau County respectively, and Title VI requirements could be easily met. If MTA Bus Company becomes a regional authority serving the bus needs of the entire 7-county service area. Any unserved minority areas with the 7-county area could conceivably make the argument that MTA Bus Company is violating Title VI. Local transportation is best provided with local authorities, along with coordination with neighboring authorities at the overlapping fringes. Regional transportation (e.g., commuter rail, regional express bus) is really the only transportation that should be provided by regional authorities. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Apr 14 09:42:55 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by busway flyer on Mon Apr 14 07:54:18 2008. I think he's referring to the fleet number (and not route numbers). For example: Bee Line's 425 would become W425 and LIB's 312 would become L312.But, now that you mention route numbers, I think it would make sense to add a W prefix to Bee Line routes numbers if/when they are absorbed into the MTA. Years ago NYCTA (arrogantly, IMO) seem to take upon themselves to add a W prefix to Westchester route numbers on their maps. |
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Posted by railbus63 on Mon Apr 14 09:59:10 2008, in response to MTA BUS Takeover, posted by hound on Sun Apr 13 20:11:34 2008. Who is the 'MTA Bus management' who told you this?I think we all know this is in the works, but I'm surprised that they are so cavalierly telling a bunch of bus fans this when it hasn't been officially announced yet in the media. My take on this is that there are still some quiet moves going on behind the scenes - buses will not be getting 'MTA Bus' stickers or new paint until an official announcement is made. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Apr 14 11:09:24 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Apr 14 06:44:00 2008. Plus, is it worth to rebuild when they have less than 20 1992 Orion V diesel buses? They might as well order more CNG buses to replace the backup fleet... |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 14 11:32:29 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by Operator3319 on Sun Apr 13 23:14:33 2008. Heard Savage is retiring. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 14 11:33:51 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by Mr RT on Mon Apr 14 07:17:40 2008. I heard he was retiring. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Mon Apr 14 11:53:27 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Apr 13 20:53:19 2008. And their baseball team. Pinstripes are put on cheap Chevrolets |
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Posted by CaseyJim on Mon Apr 14 12:01:55 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by WayneJay on Mon Apr 14 09:42:55 2008. The fleet numbers was exactly what I was referring to; Westchester buses being prefixed with W ahead of the fleet number, Long Island buses with an L ahead of the number, examples W425 for a Westchester Bus and L1771 for a Long Island Bus. Any buses of the former companies that are still in service would be prefixed as follows: G- for Green Bus, C- for Command, N-for New York Bus Service, and so on. NYC Transit buses would not get prefix letters. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Apr 14 13:02:16 2008, in response to MTA BUS Takeover, posted by hound on Sun Apr 13 20:11:34 2008. The old adage applies here: I'll believe it when I see it. |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Mon Apr 14 13:39:54 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by CaseyJim on Mon Apr 14 12:01:55 2008. The pre-fix system was actually done before. When the Cooper family owned Command,Green, Triboro, Jamaica & would shift buses from one to another the sending company would put their letter ahead of the number or a number 1. Example,when Command sent bus #235 over to Green, the first time it went as C235, when it came back, it returned to 235. the second time it went over, it went as 1235, when it went elsewhere from Green, it went as G235. I have picture proof of this. The late & great Alan Bromberger [gee,I miss him}had documented all of these inter company moves. |
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Posted by The Rail King on Mon Apr 14 13:43:46 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by The Port of Authority on Mon Apr 14 13:02:16 2008. That's what I say. I was told that it's happening this year but no one knows exactly when. All everyone can do(me included) is sit back and watch. But I can tell you this the two agenices are working very close with each other. NYCT bus operators and buses coming and going from Spring Creek on a Daily bases and the fact that 19a training is being done five days aweek instead of four. It's gonna be interesting with LIB because they are sending buses out to Suffolk County to be repainted in their colors and not the tradional MTA livery applied to MTA Bus/DOB. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Apr 14 14:01:39 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by CaseyJim on Mon Apr 14 12:01:55 2008. It makes sense, but I'm not sure it would happen assuming they'd use the same system used by NYCTA. My understanding is that the inventory database used by the TA could not accomodate 5-character fleet numbers. The TA learned of this shortcoming back in '93 which is why they had to renumber the first of the '93 Orion Vs. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Apr 14 14:27:39 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by WayneJay on Mon Apr 14 14:01:39 2008. My understanding is that the inventory database used by the TA could not accomodate 5-character fleet numbers. The TA learned of this shortcoming back in '93 which is why they had to renumber the first of the '93 Orion Vs.That was in 1993, when a lot of systems couldn't handle four-digit years, either. |
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Posted by Mr RT on Mon Apr 14 15:21:52 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by BusMgr on Mon Apr 14 09:04:09 2008. When the merger happens, I assume LI Bus will be treated just like any of the other "depots", so the Pres. position will be replaced with a "AGM". This is just a guess on my part.This leaves the question of who will deal with political/monetary issues ... centralized mngt or the local AGM. AGMs do deal with local issues, but will they deal with Nassau County ? |
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Posted by prpapi718 on Mon Apr 14 16:19:16 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by The Rail King on Mon Apr 14 13:43:46 2008. YUP 2morrow mta bus takes over long island so eveybody get ur cmera out and go out to long island and take pics of these long island bus schemes becuase 2morrow it iwll be blue and white thats it.next stop MTA NYCT BUSES WHICH WE HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND WAIT FOR THIS TOO AS RAILKING SAID |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 14 16:51:43 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Apr 14 06:44:00 2008. Service increases probably, better than Hyshits. |
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Posted by railbus63 on Mon Apr 14 17:12:55 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by prpapi718 on Mon Apr 14 16:19:16 2008. Please stop posting in caps. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Apr 14 17:24:18 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by prpapi718 on Mon Apr 14 06:08:16 2008. Stop screaming by using caps. We can read without caps. Hybrid is better than CNG. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Mon Apr 14 17:52:35 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by prpapi718 on Mon Apr 14 16:19:16 2008. Please...the "all capitals" thing is rude and old. |
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Posted by prpapi718 on Mon Apr 14 18:04:59 2008, in response to Re: MTA BUS Takeover, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Apr 14 17:24:18 2008. wait hybrids are not better than cng ok lol.the best buses we have are of course RTS aka rapid transit bus, orion 5 and new flyer cng.oroin 7 hybrids are a waste of money they only burn 5% less gas,and they have to sound effects the only thing they have is spaceship sounds. |
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