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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 19:37:01 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jun 5 19:12:59 2011. You guys are doing a good job making me laugh! |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jun 5 19:41:29 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 19:31:51 2011. Ah, thank you. I forgot about this piece. The 53 is a bad idea of a route to extend anywhere, given the propensity the VZ has to be impassable. Unless you short-turn every other bus short of Brooklyn, you'll never be able to maintain service with a reasonable headway. |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jun 5 19:42:33 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 19:37:01 2011. He's a punk kid, and it shows. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 19:44:53 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 19:00:51 2011. 1) Cutting the S54 back to Seaview Hospital (I would extend it to Eltingville every 30 minutes rush hours only) would just be to save money, which could be used to restore weekend service on the S54. I would try to increase ridership by extending it to St. George, giving Manor Road residents direct access to St. George and generating additional ridership and revenue.2) I don't really think you'll attract too many North Shore riders just by giving them a bus to the SIR. The distance from Princes' Bay to the really transit-dependant parts is already pretty long (a good 30 minute ride on the SIR, not counting the time spent waiting), so any transfer to a bus is already a turnoff for using transit. 3) Great minds think alike. I was thinking the same thing: The S89 should replace the S59 in that area except for trippers. As far as student ridership north of the SI Mall, I would say that both it and the S89 have a fairly large percentage of student riders. You see the difference in the loads before and after it reaches the schools on the routes. For example, my brother takes the S59 to go to his middle school (by Rockland Avenue), and he says that the bus can go from almost completely crushloaded to just having a few standees after it leaves the stop. And the thing is that a lot of the people remaining are students going to schools further south (those schools by the SI Mall, Tottenville High School, and St. Josephs By the Sea). During the PM rush hour, I sometimes see it go by and it has a seated load, maybe with a few standees, so it shows that the ridership is womewhat decent (higher than other routes with the "high student ridership" label), but students still make up a very large portion of the ridership. 4) I wanted the S93 to take Victory Blvd to Richmond Avenue, take Richmond Avenue to Goethals Road North, and then take Goethals Road North to South Avenue. Going back, it would take South Avenue to Fahy Avenue (which turns into Lamberts Lane), and then take Richmond Avenue to Victory Blvd (use Google Maps if you're not sure about what the route would look like). I figured the S93 would be a better choice than a route to St. George because there are already a bunch of routes to St. George, but not that many to Brooklyn. By the way, I also had a plan to operate some Saturday service on the S93 by taking the S62 runs that terminate at CSI and turning them into S93 runs. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 19:46:47 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 19:04:58 2011. That was during the North Shore Rail meeting, where they threw down a bunch of ideas on paper just to give everybody an idea of how the bus system would look if/when the North Shore Rail/Busway was built.I guess the fast ride to St. George wouldn't be as important, since the Busway/Rail Line would offer the fast service to St. George. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 19:47:42 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jun 5 19:13:50 2011. I guess that would make sense. It would have them avoid some of the traffic on Richmond Hill Road. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 19:51:16 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jun 5 19:41:29 2011. Under my plan, the S83 would take over the western portion of the S46 (serving Goethals Homes rather than the West Shore Plaza). The S53 local would terminate in Port Richmond like it does now.During rush hours (the time when the VZ Bridge is most likely to be congested), the S46 would make all local stops from Mariners' Harbor to St. George. The eastern portion of the S46 would be covered by an extended S59. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 19:53:36 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 19:28:46 2011. I know. But what is wrong with just making the S79 a full limited (with no local)? That's what they plan to do with the +SBS+ anyway. Service can be increased while keeping costs the same. |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jun 5 19:54:27 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 19:44:53 2011. One thing to keep in mind is that the times students are riding the bus and the times commuters are riding the bus differ slightly. |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jun 5 19:55:45 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 19:47:42 2011. There's really no need for them to operate on Richmond Hill Rd, except the 61/91, which needs to access Merrymount St. |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jun 5 19:57:49 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 19:51:16 2011. The VZ can be congested all day, particularly in light of the never-ending construction projects between the bridge itself and the SIE. If it is congested, you have to concern yourself more with the drivers in the seats than with actually making service. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 19:59:29 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jun 5 19:21:22 2011. When I go to late Mets games, if I miss the last x17 from 57th St, I have to take a cab from the SIR, though lately I've parked near Victory and take the 62 back to my car.No one cares. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 19:59:56 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 19:31:51 2011. Thanks, what's even funnier is that he posted in that thread. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 20:00:21 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jun 5 19:42:33 2011. I love my fan club. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 20:09:40 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 19:53:36 2011. Are you saying you want the S79 to become a Limited-only route? If that's the case, I really don't know. There are some bus routes that operate limited during the course of the day so it is not impossible; the M5 is like that. During weekdays the M5 operates limited-only service, operating local evenings and weekends, and local service is replaced by the M4 and M7. So if this were to happen to the S79 then the S59 and S78 would serve as alternatives.I think this I can agree with. Besides, if it helps speed my commute from the mall to Brooklyn and vice versa any faster, then that makes for a very happy S79 commuter like myself, heh. However, I do not recall hearing anything about converting the S79 into an SBS-only route. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 20:13:23 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 19:59:29 2011. That's just wrong. |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jun 5 20:18:54 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 19:59:29 2011. I know, it's the Mets. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 20:23:02 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jun 5 19:55:45 2011. There are homes on the side streets by Richmond Hill Road that might use the service (and the problem is that those streets don't connect to Ring Road).The only way to serve those homes and the stores like Burger King would be if the S44/S59 took Marsh Avenue->Richmond Hill Road->Ring Road (the one the S79 takes)->Ring Road (current path) |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 20:24:59 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jun 5 19:57:49 2011. Maybe that problem could be solved by spending some extra money and adding a few short-turns between Father Capodanno Blvd/McClean Avenue and the Goethals Homes. That way, they can prevent the passengers in Staten Island from having to take a bus already filled with people from Brooklyn. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 20:29:05 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 20:09:40 2011. Sorry if I wasn't clear about the S79 being limited-only (except for the 2 S79As per hour).Maybe the MTA mentions it one one of the links I posted here (I'm too tired to go through all of the links): http://nyctransitforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=428542&postcount=12 http://nyctransitforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=428547&postcount=14 |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 20:29:25 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 19:44:53 2011. 1) Cutting the S54 back to Seaview Hospital (I would extend it to Eltingville every 30 minutes rush hours only) would just be to save money, which could be used to restore weekend service on the S54. I would try to increase ridership by extending it to St. George, giving Manor Road residents direct access to St. George and generating additional ridership and revenue.As long as the "S79A" runs up Giffords Lane, I agree with that idea. 2) I don't really think you'll attract too many North Shore riders just by giving them a bus to the SIR. The distance from Princes' Bay to the really transit-dependant parts is already pretty long (a good 30 minute ride on the SIR, not counting the time spent waiting), so any transfer to a bus is already a turnoff for using transit. Thanks for the info. I know that the hospital down there won't attract as much ridership as Kings County Hospital does to the B12/B44 or even SI Hospital North does to the S52, but you usually think that hospitals are always places where public transit is needed. 3) Great minds think alike. I was thinking the same thing: The S89 should replace the S59 in that area except for trippers. As far as student ridership north of the SI Mall, I would say that both it and the S89 have a fairly large percentage of student riders. You see the difference in the loads before and after it reaches the schools on the routes. For example, my brother takes the S59 to go to his middle school (by Rockland Avenue), and he says that the bus can go from almost completely crushloaded to just having a few standees after it leaves the stop. And the thing is that a lot of the people remaining are students going to schools further south (those schools by the SI Mall, Tottenville High School, and St. Josephs By the Sea). During the PM rush hour, I sometimes see it go by and it has a seated load, maybe with a few standees, so it shows that the ridership is womewhat decent (higher than other routes with the "high student ridership" label), but students still make up a very large portion of the ridership. Thanks a lot for the compliment. I noticed that the S89 helps in the morning, but not much in the afternoon when it starts running after most school kids are already on their way home, and is why a lot of them seem to run emptier than they should past Forest Avenue. It's another reason why I wanted to give the S89 a slight "B103 treatment" and expand its hours slightly to start earlier so it can help out the S44 and S59 along with the already mentioned extension to Tottenville. 4) I wanted the S93 to take Victory Blvd to Richmond Avenue, take Richmond Avenue to Goethals Road North, and then take Goethals Road North to South Avenue. Going back, it would take South Avenue to Fahy Avenue (which turns into Lamberts Lane), and then take Richmond Avenue to Victory Blvd (use Google Maps if you're not sure about what the route would look like). I figured the S93 would be a better choice than a route to St. George because there are already a bunch of routes to St. George, but not that many to Brooklyn. By the way, I also had a plan to operate some Saturday service on the S93 by taking the S62 runs that terminate at CSI and turning them into S93 runs. The only problem with that plan is that riders would have to walk to South Avenue or Richmond Avenue anyway to catch a bus going in the other direction. Goethals Road North is one way, so the bus would probably have to operate south of the expressway, unless you think that the routing would attract riders despite those circumstances. I forgot about how many people use the S62 to the College from Brooklyn on Saturdays, aren't there even short-turn trips between the College and Clove Road for that purpose? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 20:30:02 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 19:46:47 2011. I see, thanks for clearing that up. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 20:38:29 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 20:29:05 2011. If that's the case then I'd be all for it. As for the S79A, would you have the buses short-turn somewhere on Hylan Boulevard or operate all the way to Brooklyn? I was thinking about having these S79As operate to New Dorp Lane except there's really no where for the buses to turn and reverse direction. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 20:59:01 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 20:29:25 2011. 1) Yes, Giffords Lane would get the S79A.2) In the cities, hospitals are generally located near public transit. However, the South Shore is pretty suburban, so there is no real place where it could be located that would both serve the South Shore and be accessable by transit (though I think they could've at least built it near the SIR, perhaps around Tottenville) 3) I've noticed that about the S89 as well. You'll see an S89 with a handful of people cruising down Richmond Avenue, and then a pretty crowded S44 or S59 following shortly behind it (like I said in another post, part of that problem can be solved by keeping the S44/S59/S89 serving the same side of the SI Mall) 4) That's a problem, but at least one-way service is better than no service. Plus, Fahy Avenue and Goethals Road North are the only streets wide enough to handle a bus (and north of the SIE, all of the roads feed into Goethals Road North, so it is impossible to run two-way service north of the SIE). In the mornings, there are a few short-turn S62s operating between Clove Road and CSI, so you're right that there is definitely demand for service to Brooklyn. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 21:02:07 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 20:38:29 2011. I'd probably have them operate all the way to Brooklyn, just to provide some local S79 service to some riders if they don't want to walk or take the S78 to a limited stop.Terminating it in New Dorp could also lead to a similar problem of low ridership that the S54 had. I try to apply my principle of sending a route to St. George or Brooklyn whereever possible. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 21:20:56 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 21:02:07 2011. Makes sense. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 23:38:21 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 20:59:01 2011. 4) That's a problem, but at least one-way service is better than no service. Plus, Fahy Avenue and Goethals Road North are the only streets wide enough to handle a bus (and north of the SIE, all of the roads feed into Goethals Road North, so it is impossible to run two-way service north of the SIE).Seeing some of the streets buses in Queens run on in both directions, there are streets that it can run on south of the Expressway besides Fahy Avenue. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 6 00:09:29 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 23:38:21 2011. Yeah, but why should it have to sqeeze its way down a narrow street when it has the option of using a wider street. Plus, Lamberts Lane (the only street the bus would realistically be able to use) has more problems with parking than Goethals Road North. Plus, people would be less likely to complain on Goethals Road North because the X17J already uses that street.In addition, by using Goethals Road North, it at least provides some service to the community on the northern side of the SIE. There are a lot of areas where the bus is split between 2 sides of an expressway (though admittedly, there are more places to cross). The people are still able to manage, though. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:21:07 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 6 00:09:29 2011. It's just that in areas like the Horace Harding Expressway where the Q88 runs, there are a lot of places to cross over the expressway. It might be better than no service, but the fact that they would still have to walk to South Avenue or Richmond Avenue might turn a lot of riders off to the service. |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Jun 6 00:33:56 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 20:23:02 2011. It's a one-block walk. The bus doesn't have to stop in front of their homes for them to take it. The 61 goes deeper into the neighborhood. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 6 00:35:14 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:21:07 2011. It probably would, but it could also attract ridership from places further east, since it would be the most direct route to reach the area. For example, if somebody in Arrochar wanted to get to the Teleport, the S93 would be a much more direct route than taking the S53 to the S46.It is unfortunate that the SIE was configured with no overpasses in this area, but you have to work with what you have. There are probably going to be a lot of riders turned off by the fact that, in one direction, they're going to have to do a lot of walking, but there's nothing you can do for them. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 6 00:37:38 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Jun 6 00:33:56 2011. So under your plan, the S44/S59 would take Ring Road all the way around and avoid Richmond Hill Road entirely?By the way, would they use Marsh Avenue or the back of Ring Road? |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Jun 6 00:41:48 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 20:24:59 2011. The question that raises is "What money?" The 53 and 79 are typically SRO across the bridge, and they don't all get that way until they're between Clove Rd and VZ, where people transfer from the 78,51, and 52. The 53 starts to really fill up at Victory Blvd. They used to do short-turns to/from there when CSI was at the Sunnyside campus. |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Jun 6 00:43:43 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 6 00:37:38 2011. Leave them on the back of Ring Road. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 6 00:46:24 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Jun 6 00:41:48 2011. The money generated by ridership resulting from Mariners' Harbor having direct access to Brooklyn.You're right that the problem lies in the fact that the most crowded point on the buses is as they are going over the bridge. But at least the short-turns would help passengers getting on at stops where there are a lot of people going northbound (such as the Grasmere SIR station). |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Jun 6 00:52:20 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 20:59:01 2011. There are no short turns on the s62 between Clove and CSI. The only short turns (outside of those to/from CSI) on the 62 run from Victory and Jewett to the Ferry. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 6 01:01:03 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Jun 6 00:52:20 2011. There are a couple on Saturday mornings.According to the schedule, buses leave Clove Road at 7:45AM, 8:30AM, and 8:45AM bound for CSI. See here: http://mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/staten/s062cur.pdf |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Jun 6 01:05:38 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 6 00:35:14 2011. No; what will happen is that people will choose to drive, rather tan walk so far out of their way. No one boards the x17J along the westbound service road at the one stop between Richmond Ave and South Ave. The only reason it works is because the route runs on Richmond Ave, so it's a relatively short walk from the neighborhood to the nearest Manhattan-bound stop.The South Ave stop works similarly, because return riders take the x30. |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Jun 6 01:08:46 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 6 00:35:14 2011. It was configured that way because Staten Island doesn't have a street grid, and only the major roads cross the highway. There are no through routes in the area except for South and Richmond. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 6 01:09:10 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Jun 6 01:05:38 2011. I disagree. I see a lot of people getting off the X17J at Lamberts Lane/Richmond Avenue and walking back to their homes on the northern side of the SIE. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 6 01:11:40 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Jun 6 01:08:46 2011. Major roads crossing highways is something that is true of the other boroughs as well.A street that could've been extended to cross the SIE is Arlene Street, which is halfway between South Avenue and Richmond Avenue (If you continue southbound on Fahy Avenue, you go into Arlene Street). Of course, doing it now would require reconfiguring the exit ramps, but it could've been done when the SIE was being built. |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Jun 6 01:12:34 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 6 00:46:24 2011. There aren't as many people going from Mariners Harbor to Brooklyn as you think, certainly not enough that would support a direct service. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 6 01:19:29 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Jun 6 01:12:34 2011. I see a large number of people transferring from the S48 (and to a lesser extent, the S46) to the S53, and I'm sure having direct service to Brooklyn would attract even more riders. |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Jun 6 01:21:29 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 6 01:09:10 2011. I should not have specified Manhattan-boad; obviously it works in both directions. Again, that's because the bus runs on Richmond Ave. Further away, they take the x10 or transfer to/from local buses, or even the x10. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 6 01:27:57 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 5 16:19:34 2011. WELL...As a resident of that rock for years..i agree. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 6 01:29:45 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Jun 6 01:21:29 2011. But doesn't that make them potential candidates who would benefit from the S93 extension (those living near the SIE, not those living further north)? Rather than having to walk back from Richmond Avenue, people on the north side of the SIE could take the S93 for a couple of stops. In the morning, the same thing would apply for riders on the southern side of the SIE: They could take the S93 to Richmond Avenue for the X17.Also, I have another idea regarding service in the area: Since the West Shore Expressway and SIE can get very congested in the area, I think it would be a good idea to have the X19 go down South Avenue instead of the WSE. It could then turn onto Fahy Avenue and then enter the SIE at the Richmond Avenue entrance. That would allow it to serve the Teleport (I'm sure there are some people who stay at the hotels along South Avenue who would want a fast route to Manhattan), and provide a direct service to Lower Manhattan from the areas near the SIE. In addition, this would hardly add any time to the route. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 6 01:32:37 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 5 07:23:17 2011. oh geez....someone needs to stand on narrows road one afternoon..to the evening and see how things get out there... |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Jun 6 01:34:25 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 6 01:11:40 2011. The DOT has a long-term plan to reconfigure access to/from the eastbound SIE at Richmond Ave, but they still won't connect Arlene across the expressway because there's no through streets to Forest Ave. If the newly built school adjacent to the highway were a neighborhood school instead of a specialty academy, a pedestrian bridge might have been called for, similar to Jefferson Blvd on the Richmond Pkwy. The income (and crime) disparity between the neighborhoods on each side of the highway make it unlikely the community would demand such a connection. |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Jun 6 01:36:43 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 6 01:01:03 2011. I see. Odd that they have them Saturday mornings, but not weekday mornings. I'd have to get my hands on some pre-s93 schedules to see if that's the reason. |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Jun 6 01:41:10 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 6 01:29:45 2011. There's no good routing between CSI and the area you want to serve. Staten Island doesn't have the kind of street grid (or really, any street grid) that gives you multiple options between points. |
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