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Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08 |
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Posted by T8H5307N on Sat Jun 14 23:59:05 2008, in response to PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Jun 14 18:16:15 2008. Anyone else notice the new advertisements on the sides of the Phoenix buses? On the left side it covers the word "Valley" (as shown on 6325). But on the newer D40LFs and D60LFs, it appears that the big Valley Metro titles only are on the right side.The bus wraps are interesting, but these stickers look cheesy. Takes me back to the Bus-o-rama days. Maybe the large titles will be totally eliminated when the new imaging and colors are launched later this year. |
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Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08 |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Sun Jun 15 02:29:00 2008, in response to PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Jun 14 18:16:15 2008. do any of those NABIs, besides the 45CLFW, have DD50 engines ? |
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Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08 |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Jun 15 09:44:10 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08, posted by lbt 9415 on Sun Jun 15 02:29:00 2008. I believe that they're all Cummins C-Gas and/or C-Gas plus. I think that the only DD50 buses in the fleet are the 1994/1996 D40LFs, the 1997 Nova RTS-WFDs leased from Golden Gate Transit, and the 2004 D60LFs with the 45CLFWs having the DD50G. The one L40LF #3727 also had a DD50G engine when it was around. |
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Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08 |
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Posted by roscoman1986 on Sun Jun 15 11:48:03 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08, posted by T8H5307N on Sat Jun 14 23:59:05 2008. Are they really going to launch another new color scheme considering that the "green only" color scheme was only launched in 2006 on the C40LFRs? |
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Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08 |
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Posted by roscoman1986 on Sun Jun 15 11:49:19 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Jun 15 09:44:10 2008. Yep that sounds pretty correct although it seems that the Tempe buses and the 2002 NABIs have a different transmission. |
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Re: Colors (was PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08) |
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Posted by T8H5307N on Sun Jun 15 15:18:42 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08, posted by roscoman1986 on Sun Jun 15 11:48:03 2008. It goes to vote this week.Still green and purple, but purple is less lavender and green is more yellow. New logo. Will only repaint vehicles during overhaul, but new logo decals will go on this fall. Project will be launched with light rail and BRT. I don't know how much of the existing lettering is paint vs. decal. |
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Re: Colors (was PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08) |
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Posted by roscoman1986 on Sun Jun 15 20:23:18 2008, in response to Re: Colors (was PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08), posted by T8H5307N on Sun Jun 15 15:18:42 2008. Wow that is quite surprising that they are actually going to get ANOTHER new color scheme! Here's my thoughts:1. As you saw, the C40LFRs are getting delivered with the current scheme, and the 1998-1999 NABIs are still getting refurbished and repainted in the new scheme (albeit a different variation compared to the 2006-2007 rehabs, there is now only a single black band by the roofline, the number font is the same as on the old scheme, and the "Valley Metro" titles are in a slightly different font). However, I still consider it odd that they want to change their color scheme again considering about half the fleet is still in the old scheme and the new scheme is only two years old. The "Valley Metro Rail" logos use the current logo. As for both color schemes, the "Valley Metro" letters, the logo on the top side rear on the new colors, and the "V" are all decals. Already, Phoenix has taken the "V" off the windows thankfully. 2. When the 2006 scheme (green and white) came out, I expected that all buses would be repainted in the RAPID/Light Rail scheme (green and silver). I thought that color scheme looked pretty cool so I was surprised at how simple the 2006 scheme was. Nevertheless, whatever new scheme comes along, I REALLY hope they don't put ANYTHING on the windows (like a redesigned "V"). 3. I really hope they keep the RPTA interior the way it is right now. I think that interior (white and blue) is really attractive. The Phoenix bus interior fabric is okay. 4. Any images on what this proposed livery may look like? It will be interesting to see that they will have three color schemes. BTW, any word on the Mesa RAPID service (if it is even called that)? I know the buses are on order, but I haven't heard anything going on with that, especially with the issues they are having over there with cutting service. |
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Re: Colors (was PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08) |
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Posted by T8H5307N on Mon Jun 16 01:04:34 2008, in response to Re: Colors (was PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08), posted by roscoman1986 on Sun Jun 15 20:23:18 2008. RAPID is Phoenix only. Everything else is being referred to as BRT. Main St. BRT is supposed to start with light rail.The rail cars sort of have the same hues as the RAPID buses. I don't think the new color palette matches the old colors.
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Re: Colors (was PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08) |
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Posted by T8H5307N on Mon Jun 16 01:07:47 2008, in response to Re: Colors (was PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08), posted by T8H5307N on Mon Jun 16 01:04:34 2008. I apologize, Flickr never works for me. I can get it to come up when I preview the page, but once I post, only the generic link comes up. |
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Re: Colors (was PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08) |
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Posted by T8H5307N on Tue Jun 17 22:14:26 2008, in response to Re: Colors (was PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08), posted by roscoman1986 on Sun Jun 15 20:23:18 2008. I'll try again with Photobucket. These are the finalists for Valley Metro logos.
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Re: Colors (was PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08) |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jun 17 22:15:11 2008, in response to Re: Colors (was PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08), posted by T8H5307N on Tue Jun 17 22:14:26 2008. Those both look AWFUL. |
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Re: Colors (was PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08) |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Jun 17 22:16:27 2008, in response to Re: Colors (was PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08), posted by T8H5307N on Tue Jun 17 22:14:26 2008. I like the first one. The second one, not so much. |
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Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08 |
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Posted by T8H5307N on Tue Jun 17 22:24:02 2008, in response to PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Jun 14 18:16:15 2008. The other choices were to eliminate "Valley", or a totally different concept - a solid purple dot with a concentric green circle with "Metro" in the middle. People equated that with a destination rather than a transit system. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jun 17 22:25:29 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08, posted by T8H5307N on Tue Jun 17 22:24:02 2008. I think that the current logo looks better than any of those options. Did it really need to be changed? |
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6173 (was Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08) |
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Posted by ctrabs74 on Tue Jun 17 22:34:16 2008, in response to PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Jun 14 18:16:15 2008. It looks like 6173 actually has a Luminator sign as opposed to the TwinVision signs on the rest of the NABI fleet. Am I correct on that presumption? |
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Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08 |
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Posted by T8H5307N on Tue Jun 17 22:36:11 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jun 17 22:25:29 2008. They want to launch a fresh identity to replace the nearly 15-year old visuals. And they want to integrate on all products with the introduction of Light Rail and BRT.The top logo with just "Metro" tested highest with focus groups. The bottom one was not tested. |
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Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08 |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jun 17 22:37:20 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08, posted by T8H5307N on Tue Jun 17 22:36:11 2008. My issue is that the current logo is more stylish and modern than any of these visuals. Those logos scream 1980s to me where the current logo seems to do well to the test of time. |
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Re: 6173 (was Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08) |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jun 17 22:44:45 2008, in response to 6173 (was Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08), posted by ctrabs74 on Tue Jun 17 22:34:16 2008. 6173 actually has always had a Luminator sign of some type. The 1998 NABI 40LFWs 6001-6180 came with Luminator LED/Flip Dot signs (unsure what the exact type is). 6001-6163 still have this type of sign. 6164-6180 were refitted with Luminator Horizons about a year or two ago. The 2001/2002 NABIs 6262-6377 have TwinVision signs. The Tempe owned 2002 NABIs 6378-6381 used to have TwinVisions but were also refitted to Luminator Horizons. The new New Flyer fleet (C40LFR/D40LFR/D40LF/DE40LFR) 6401-6460 and 6481-6648 all have TwinVisions. |
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Re: Colors (was PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08) |
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Posted by roscoman1986 on Wed Jun 18 00:54:58 2008, in response to Re: Colors (was PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08), posted by T8H5307N on Tue Jun 17 22:14:26 2008. I was expecting something better,. That just reminds me too much of the New York MTA's 1970s-1980s "two-tone M" logo, especially the bottom one. I have grown up with the old logo and this just seems like a step backwards especially due to the similarity with the MTA. The colors are not any better. I really hope that the new bus color scheme is not all white!The second one IMHO looks better though if I had to choose. Still I would keep the old one over these two, even if the old one is 15 years old. I wish they could do something better with their logo like LA Metro did. Now that was quite an improvement especially now that they have a great bus color scheme. |
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Re: Colors (was PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08) |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Jun 18 00:55:58 2008, in response to Re: Colors (was PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08), posted by roscoman1986 on Wed Jun 18 00:54:58 2008. You've echoed my sentiments completely. Like I said before, both of them scream 1980s versus the current one which seems much more modern. |
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Re: 6173 (was Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08) |
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Posted by roscoman1986 on Wed Jun 18 01:13:49 2008, in response to Re: 6173 (was Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08), posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jun 17 22:44:45 2008. The 1998 NABI 40-LFWs came with Luminator LEDot signs. The 1999 NABI 35-LFWs and 40-LFWs came with Twin Vision LEDot signs.Also, the Tempe NABI 45C-LFWs have retained their Twin Vision signs and the "runbox" by the front door. These buses (4157-4163) and E-Z Rider 4129 (which still has Twin Vision LEDot signs) are the only ones that have them still (I am not counting the 2008 C40LFRs since that runbox is mechanical and is set up if the electronic signs fail). Here's a sign anomaly summary off the top of my head: Phoenix: One of the 1996 New Flyer D40LFs (3709?) had a Luminator LEDot front sign in it as opposed to the Mega:MAX signs that the others have. There are (as of earlier this year) two 1997 Nova RTS running out of Phoenix West for the route 571-Surprise. These buses are notable because they have NO SIGNS AT ALL, and instead rely on the runbox to display the route number. They used to have rollsigns, but they were removed and not replaced, so the space above is just filled with fluorescent lights. 1998 NABI 40-LFW 6107 has a (mostly broken) Luminator full-color headsign. The side and rear signs are still Luminator LEDot. This sign was installed around 2004. Sister 1998 NABI 40-LFW 6108 is the ONLY Phoenix Division bus to have Luminator Horizon front, side, and rear signs that work sometimes. 2002 NABI 40-LFW 6291 has TwinVision Chroma IV full-color signs on the front, side (driver side does not work) and rear. This special bus is in normal Valley Metro colors during the Spring and Fall, wrapped as the Flag Bus during summer (current) and wrapped as the Holiday Bus during winter. During the Spring and Fall the front signs are not maintained and are shut off. Tempe (all buses have Luminator Horizons since 2007 except the following): 1999 E-Z Rider bus 4129 never had its Twin Vision LEDot signs replaced and they apparently still work (not today for some reason though, but I saw them working on Saturday). 1999 NABI 40-LFWs 6254-6255 have broken Twin Vision LEDot signs of a different type than 4129. These two buses are completely different from each other in both sign configuration and interior. 2000 E-Z Rider buses (Scottsdale owned) 4150-4152 were transfers from the RPTA in late 2007 after the Luminator Horizon sign program had been completed. So, they still retain their Luminator LEDot signs. 4153-4154 have Luminator Horizons. 2004 NABI 45C-LFWs 7157-7164. Earlier this year these buses had their signs reprogrammed to Phoenix-style lower case. Also, bus 6166 was the pilot bus for the Luminator Horizon sign replacement program. It had a Luminator Horizon sign installed in the front only (the sides and rear were still LEDot until 2007). This sign was formatted slightly different, most notably it scrolled "NOT IN SERVICE" rather than using the lowercase "Not in Service". |
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Re: 6173 (was Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08) |
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Posted by roscoman1986 on Wed Jun 18 01:15:33 2008, in response to Re: 6173 (was Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08), posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Jun 17 22:44:45 2008. Also, 6173 is an ex-FLASH bus that was repainted in August 2007. It was traded with one of the NABI 35-LFWs. I don't know why the original FLASH buses were traded and replaced with 35-LFWs to lower capacity. Maybe something to do with ASU parking going up and fewer people using the FLASH? |
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Re: 6173 (was Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08) |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Jun 18 01:26:04 2008, in response to Re: 6173 (was Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08), posted by roscoman1986 on Wed Jun 18 01:13:49 2008. Thanks! Now that you mention it, I remember 6108 quite vivily because, IIRC, the front sign is at a somewhat odd angle (ie, it isn't vertical). |
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Re: 6173 (was Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08) |
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Posted by dontwalkhand on Wed Jul 2 01:41:38 2008, in response to Re: 6173 (was Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08), posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Jun 18 01:26:04 2008. I like the Valley Metro logo as it is now. How many places in the WORLD (NOT even just the US!) use just some M with the word Metro under it? Valley Metro's logo is actually unique and who cares if its 15 years old, it is still the most modern logo i've seen yet. |
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Re: 6173 (was Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08) |
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Posted by roscoman1986 on Wed Jul 2 02:00:46 2008, in response to Re: 6173 (was Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08), posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Jun 18 01:26:04 2008. I was lucky enough to get 6108 on my way down to school this morning. This was the first time that I have ridden this bus since it got its Luminator Horizon sign back in 2004. It was rehabbed in 2006-2007 and is a VERY CLEAN bus, which seems to be common on South Division routes these days. At first, I thought that it was a rehabbed 2002 NABI, but when I noticed that the font on the headsign was thinner and different, I realized that it could only be 6108.Apparently before doing the full rehab on the NABIs, they tested out some signs ranging from the Tempe-style front/side/rear switch to Luminator Horizon signs, to replacing the front sign with a full-color Luminator sign that was supposed to show the "color" routes better. They settled with replacing the Luminator LEDot signs with new ones of the same kind, and this appeared on the prototype rehab that was put on display at Sunday on Central in 2005. It was numbered somewhere between 6050-6100, I don't remember which bus it was though. The prototype NABI 40-LFW rehab AFAIK has been repainted to a regular rehab. It was different in the fact that although it had the new signs/windows/seat cushions, it had the OLD color scheme and the old-design seat cushions, since it was rehabbed in 2005 before the new color scheme was announced. When the "actual" rehabs started, they were all done in the new color scheme. A couple 1999 40-LFWs also had their seat cushions replaced with "new" versions of the old design. |
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Re: 6173 (was Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08) |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Jul 2 02:10:47 2008, in response to Re: 6173 (was Re: PHOTOS Valley Metro 06.14.08), posted by roscoman1986 on Wed Jul 2 02:00:46 2008. Thanks for the info. Was 6108's front sign still angled slightly or was it fixed? I agree that the South Division buses look rather clean. I think losing the 13, 3, 17, Green Line, and 41 have helped the South Division maintain the buses better, which is why the First Transit buses don't look as clean as they had before the changeover.I am surprised that they didn't replace the Luminators with TwinVisions to be common with the rest of the fleet. |
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