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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Thu Mar 12 16:24:25 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 12 16:17:11 2009. E 177th is currently the eastbound Cross Bronx service road, some buildings however still are listed as being on E. 177th St |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Mar 12 16:39:34 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 12:17:21 2009. Corporate stadium names aren't permanent. Why should taxpayers be responsible for providing new signage, etc. every time a sports team decides to go with a new stadium sponsor? They should announce "Citifield" for the stop, but I agree with them not naming the station after a temporary sponsor.And I'm sure that people will be able to find the stadium. People find everywhere else that they need to go without it being specifically identified on the map. |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Mar 12 17:05:28 2009, in response to NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Mar 11 22:04:48 2009. Yep, the TA sent out their best negotiators on this one..."We're going to name the station after you for free, but if you pay us lots of money we'll name it after someone else" |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 17:19:37 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Thu Mar 12 16:24:25 2009. Is that like how the service road of the LI Expressway in Queens has the stores along it as Horace Harding Exp? The LIE took over the ROW of that street. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 17:21:27 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 16:18:54 2009. I agree, but I wasn't the one making a fuss out of it being called "Willets Point", without the Boulevard in the name. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 12 17:32:17 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by metropod on Thu Mar 12 06:36:36 2009. Like Brighton and Mark said, ayup! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 12 17:33:08 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 07:29:32 2009. Then they should know it's there. All that steel seems pretty obvious, no? :) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 17:54:02 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 13:41:03 2009. If tens of thousands of people are headed to said location, then yes, for the convenience of their customers. I don't see the difference between putting "Penn Station" or "Citifield" on subway signage. There's signage everywhere for specific destinations outside the system. The Museum of Natural History. The Cloisters. The Bronx Zoo. The Brooklyn Botanical Garden. Willets Pt. should still have signs pointing to the Hall of Science. Why can't signage simply say "Citifield"? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 17:55:31 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Easy on Thu Mar 12 16:39:34 2009. No stadium name is permanent. Even if it changes every three years, the MTA should provide proper signage. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 12 17:55:45 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 17:54:02 2009. Perhaps because some people would be complaining about their fares or "taxpayer dollars" paying for it? |
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Posted by mr_brian on Thu Mar 12 18:01:35 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Mar 12 12:26:57 2009. /gets the popcorn ready |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 12 18:02:51 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 07:32:56 2009. Same holds true for 68th Street - Hunter College.But those are both City institutions. Just like Prospect Park and West 8th Street-Aquarium. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 18:05:23 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu Mar 12 13:55:01 2009. I have no problem keeping the name limited to "Willets Point". My beef is the refusal to have signage indicating the existence of "Citifield" at the "Willets Point" station. Both Penn Station stops have signage indicating the route to take to exit for MSG. I don't see the difference. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 18:08:01 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 13:45:29 2009. Hmmm, so now we have a specific precedent for a mass transit organization acknowledging the existence of a corporately named ballpark at the location of a former one. That only leaves the mystery of why CTA doesn't do the same for the station near Wrigley. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 12 18:09:29 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 07:37:13 2009. What do you mean that the station doesn't have anything to do with the stadium? The article states that the MTS intends to make $40 million in improvements to the subway and LIRR Stations. Aren't these specifically being done because of the new stadium?When new buildings are constructed in Manhattan above subway station entrances, isn't there a requirement that the developer provide off-street entrance to the subway? I don't see why the City couldn't have required the Mets to pay at least a portion of the improvements to the subway station. It's only fair that those who benefit pay. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 12 18:15:41 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 12 01:13:44 2009. I would have included, Toilet Bowl II.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 12 18:16:20 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Mar 12 14:17:00 2009. Better yet - Fairgrounds!:) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 18:19:03 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 12 18:09:29 2009. Yes, but these improvements aren't related to the new stadiums in any way. They are being done to improve the commute of the people headed for them. It's the MTA's job to provide mass transit to significant, popular destinations. It's of no concern to the teams what they do. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 12 18:20:02 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 17:19:37 2009. It's a little different. The service road for the XBE, actually says "Cross Bronx Expressway". When he says, listed as E 177 St,I think he means on things like real estate tax bills.There are no street signs that say Long Island Expressway. The service roads say either, Queens-Midtown Expressway, Borden Avenue, or Horace Harding Expressway, so that's what the building addresses say. (Horace Harding Blvd was the name of the street before the bulding of the LIE.) Simlilarly, there is no street called "Belt Parkway". All the service road signs say "Shore Parkway." |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 12 18:22:01 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 11:41:16 2009. There's a parallel in NYC: Carnegie Hall was already there when the BMT Broadway line opened, but for some reason there is no mention of it at the 57th St. station. Why would it be so difficult to rename the station, "57th St.-Carnegie Hall?"OTOH Lincoln Center didn't even exist when the original IRT line opened, yet the 66th St. station was promptly renamed, "66th St.-Lincoln Center" when most of the buildings were completed. Does anyone know exactly when the renaming took place? Philharmonic Hall, now Avery Fisher Hall, opened first, in 1962. The NYC Opera Theater opened next, I believe, followed by the new Met in 1966. I remember it was already called "66th St.-Lincoln Center" by 1968, when I used that station for the first time on July 1, of all dates. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 18:22:53 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 12 18:09:29 2009. When new buildings are constructed in Manhattan above subway station entrances, isn't there a requirement that the developer provide off-street entrance to the subway.Because most buildings don't have 40,000 people converging in one area all at once, many of which come by subway. It's the MTA's job to provide transit, not the Mets. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 18:28:39 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 12 18:02:51 2009. Didn't the city own Shea Stadium too?The new arrangement is better for the city, as while before NYC owned Shea, the new stadium, the Mets will be responsible for the upkeep of the stadium, as well as the parking lots, etc. The city was responsible for the upkeep of Shea, so this does take that burden away from the city. For the money the city saves in this maintenance, they did put money towards the construction costs, but the Mets did sign an agreement that for at least 35 years, they are tied to NY, and could not leave to another city as part of the arrangement. |
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Posted by mr_brian on Thu Mar 12 18:29:50 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 18:28:39 2009. I think Shea was under the Parks Dept, as their logo was visible on the stadium's exterior.You can go out and see the logo for yourself outside—oh, wait...lol |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 12 18:32:04 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 09:39:19 2009. Again, with the vast majority of that station's passengers coming to that station for that stadium, as they mentioned, they have to have "something" there.Yes they do, so people know which stop to get off at. But they did not have to name it after the "Mets." The Mets would have been foolish to pay have paid the MTA, knowing that it would be named after them for free anyway. What the MTA should have done, was to threaten. Apparently they are very good at it when it comes to service. (State and Feds: Give us money or we will eliminate dozens of bus lines and cut weekend subway service.) Why couldn't they have threatened the Mets as well. "Pay for us to call it Mets - Willetts Point, ore we'll rename it "Willets Point - Stadium" or Willets Point - Ball Park." That would have been good enough so the passengers know where to get off. If the Mets refused, they could still have named it Mets - Willets Point anyway if they wanted to and just say they changed their mind due to public outcry, or they could have remained stubborn, which they also know how to be. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 18:32:38 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 12 18:20:02 2009. Hes, the Service roads of the LIE are all those roads, and the service roads take on the name of the former ROW's of the roads that once existed there.As for the LIE name, in Queens, technically it is called the "Queens Midtown Expressway, and the signs used to all say that (I mean the directional signs "To Queens Midtown Expressway"). Most of those signs have been changed to "LI Expressway" instead. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 12 18:34:54 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 18:05:23 2009. Not naming the station "Citifield" doesn't mean there won't be signs directing people to Citifield. They are not the same thing. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 18:35:56 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 17:55:31 2009. As I said earlier, they can get a small fortune for the signs they are replacing. As I said in another thread, the only people more nutty than subfans for this sort of nostalgia items are sports fans, especiallyb baseball fans. Not only would you have subway people bidding for them, but also sports memorabilia fans. They can get WAY more for the old signs than the cost of the new signs would cost. I think the only stations signs that could fetch more would be either Yankee Stadium or World Trade Center. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 18:36:33 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 12 17:55:45 2009. Again, that's irrelevant. It's not their concern how and why a place was named. All it should be concerned with is the people who are commuting to it. Besides, they don't seem to have a problem with the name if the Mets pay them to use it. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Thu Mar 12 18:50:22 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 12 18:20:02 2009. I mean addresses on the buildings themselves, phone book, other listings, etc |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 18:55:30 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by mr_brian on Thu Mar 12 18:29:50 2009. That's possible, but of course that's funded through the city. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 12 19:08:31 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 18:36:33 2009. But the Mets don't appear to want to pay either. Personally, I see the whole "issue" as irrelevant, but that's me I s'pose. :) |
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Posted by metropod on Thu Mar 12 19:30:44 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 12 17:32:17 2009. good. It's only fair. |
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Posted by G1RavagesDad on Thu Mar 12 19:36:27 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 11:35:15 2009. IAWTP. I understand that MTA needs to have a policy regarding advertising in station names, but we're talking about a major landmark here, one that thousands of people travel to by subway on every game day. IMHO, the name of the station should be "Willets Point Boulevard - CitiField". |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Mar 12 19:37:05 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 17:55:31 2009. No stadium name is permanent.And that's my point. Name the station after the team, not some temporary corporate sponsor. Most freeways around the country don't have the name of the corporate sponsor on the freeway signs for stadium exits. They usually just have "Stadium exit" or something similar. For me it's not an issue of advertising for Citibank or the Mets, but rather an issue of taxpayers being required to pay every time they make a change. It may be a relatively small amount of money, but it's the principle. |
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Posted by metropod on Thu Mar 12 19:38:13 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 12 17:55:45 2009. My fares and taxes have already paid for a lot of other stuff, why should this be any diffrent. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Mar 12 19:44:14 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Easy on Thu Mar 12 16:39:34 2009. San Francisco required the Giants and/or their corporate sponsor to pay for the costs of replacing the signs around their stadium every time the corporate sponsor got bought out (the park has been called PacBell, SBC, and AT&T during an existence of less than 10 years). |
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Posted by metropod on Thu Mar 12 19:49:58 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Mar 12 12:26:57 2009. hit the deck |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 12 19:54:47 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 18:28:39 2009. If the City owned Shea, then of course there is no problem in calling the old atation "Shea Stadium." No one is debating that. The question hasto do with the new stadium. Does the City own that one too? If so, then there is no problem naming it after the Mets. If not, then I do see a problem. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 12 19:56:23 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 18:19:03 2009. You mean the stations would have been improved anyway? The new stadiums didn't in anyway accelerate when the improvements were to be made? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 12 20:08:26 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 18:22:53 2009. No one said that it was the Met's job to provide transit. Of course that's the MTA's responsibility. I haven't heard them asking the Mets to pay for subway extras before and after games. That would be wrong.The entrances and exits for the atation are another story. The MTA insists on off-street entrances for major buldings in Manhattan which are partially paid for by building owners, because it makes sense so the sidewalk isn't overly crowded and not wide enough to accommodate the numbers of people using those entrances. Yes, 40,000 people don't use them all at once. but I don't see how that helps your case. If they did, it would only strengthen the MTA's case why an off-street entrance is needed at that building. If you don't think it is wrong for building owners to chip in (maybe they are being given bonuses if they do), why should it be wrong for the Mets to pay for part of the cost to improve the station? Then I would have no objection to naming the station for the Mets or the stadium for free, as a bonus of sorts. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 12 20:11:55 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 18:32:38 2009. Yes, for the portion of it west of 108th Street. I don't think the portion of the LIE east of Flushing Meadow Park was ever considered the "Queens-Midtown Expressway." I think the official name was always Horace Harding Expressway like the service roads. Of course everyone now just calls it the LIE. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Mar 12 20:23:12 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Mar 12 19:44:14 2009. That makes perfect sense to me. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Thu Mar 12 20:30:39 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by mr_brian on Thu Mar 12 18:01:35 2009. I know a guy on railroad.net who sells concessions for flame wars. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Mar 12 20:49:08 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Charles G on Thu Mar 12 17:05:28 2009. Yep, the TA sent out their best negotiators on this one..."We're going to name the station after you for free, but if you pay us lots of money we'll name it after someone else" It was a real head scratcher for me too.... |
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Posted by BRONX EXPRESS on Thu Mar 12 21:26:34 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Thu Mar 12 16:24:25 2009. thanks for the update TheGreatOne2k9. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 21:37:16 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 12 19:56:23 2009. People wouldn't be coming to the station if not for the stadium. However, since they are coming to the station (by the tens of thousands every game day), then the MTA has to alter the station as needed just like any other busy station would be. |
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Posted by D to E to Jamaica on Thu Mar 12 21:38:44 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Mar 12 20:49:08 2009. How would anyone know that is the stadium station?You look out the window, look at that big building that looks like a ballpark with the Citibank logo on it to the left (or right if you're coming from Flushing) and get off. The regulars will know where to get off and the tourist types will figure it out. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 21:39:37 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 12 20:08:26 2009. At Willets Point? There no one else basically walking around the station there unless they are going to the stadium, at least not in the numbers they are. It's not Manhattan. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 21:53:05 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by Easy on Thu Mar 12 19:37:05 2009. but rather an issue of taxpayers being required to pay every time they make a change.But it would probably cost the taxpayers next to nothing, and they may even profit on it. As mentioned, the MTA would get a fortune for the Shea Stadium signs when they take them down. They do put things on ebay from time to time, and these would be a big draw. Probably a lot more than the cost of the new signs. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 12 22:02:48 2009, in response to Re: NY Mets decline to buy naming rights to Willets Pt station, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 12 20:11:55 2009. Yes, for the portion of it west of 108th Street. I don't think the portion of the LIE east of Flushing Meadow Park was ever considered the "Queens-Midtown Expressway." I think the official name was always Horace Harding Expressway like the service roads.That's correct, although I think the cutoff is Queens Boulevard & Eliot Avenue, not 108th Street. |
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