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Posted by Alex L. on Sat Jun 21 23:07:43 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by Sand Box John on Sat Jun 21 21:27:46 2008. No, I'm quite sure that I didn't miss your point. These new rules apply whether or not the track is bi-directionally signaled, since they have nothing to do with the signal system. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 21 23:09:17 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jun 21 23:04:40 2008. I had to get it recalibrated for here, but it's still working ... :)
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jun 21 23:11:16 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 21 23:09:17 2008. Thank you! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 21 23:15:10 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by Sand Box John on Sat Jun 21 22:22:58 2008. I'm not the authority on this, but I don't believe that's SOP on NYCT. Certainly there are people here who are better versed in the relevant procedure, though, so I'll defer to them. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 21 23:16:11 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by Alex L. on Sat Jun 21 23:07:43 2008. Still handing up half a nunchuk to the cab window? :) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jun 21 23:18:18 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 21 22:21:33 2008. You get "pwn3d" (in his mind) every time. So you accomplish nothing, and just make things worse for yourself and everyone else. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 21 23:26:00 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jun 21 23:18:18 2008. Sorry, mate ... I can NEVER be owned ... however, you CAN rent me. :) |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sat Jun 21 23:47:50 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jun 21 23:15:10 2008. I'm not the authority on this, but I don't believe that's SOP on NYCT.I am not speaking of SOP now. I am speaking of what the signaling system will likely be on the SAS when it opens. I will also note the SAS will have CBTC on day one of operations. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jun 21 23:50:27 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 21 23:00:23 2008. You must have misread what I wrote. I said, "He always 'wins' in his mind, encouraging him to become more of an asshole the next day." |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jun 21 23:54:18 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 21 23:26:00 2008. Maybe you misread what I wrote. I said, "You get 'pwn3d' (in his mind) every time. So you accomplish nothing, and just make things worse for yourself and everyone else." |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 21 23:55:36 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jun 21 23:50:27 2008. Nope ... read it quite clearly. Every now and then, he'll get in my face and it stops rather quickly. If you guys are having a problem with him, then perhaps a change in method might be indicated. There's a lot of malfunction here, I take it in stride ... if more people did, perhaps there'd be less conflict. What I've learned is that several folks here go into "judgement mode" on others, and sow what they reap. :) |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Jun 21 23:57:21 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 21 11:18:00 2008. But... in those cases, they didnt start from the other end of the line! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 22 00:00:07 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 21 23:55:36 2008. Yes, you certainly misread it. I said, "He always 'wins' in his mind, encouraging him to become more of an asshole the next day." |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Jun 22 00:37:45 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Jun 21 01:52:08 2008. I would rather have a subway run under 3rd Ave in the Bronx. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Jun 22 00:41:54 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Jun 21 21:12:00 2008. The 6th Ave IND was local only from 1940- 11/25/67. Think construction of the express took most of the 1960s. What construction method was used, I don't know. The construction job caused a breach in a major water main in 1962. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jun 22 01:08:27 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 21 11:54:59 2008. Umm..They ARE working FROM North at 99th st,where the old tunnel begins to South...not the other way around.Heck..72nd street station won't even be started untill WAY down the TIME LINE...only the TBM drilling through the area..and only after the shaft is dug out[and who knows how long that will take]? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jun 22 01:26:06 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Jun 21 02:36:51 2008. What difficulty?The connection is already there... Whay Could be done is use the slight bellmouths set in the Willy B/Chrystie connection for the SAS link up. Been thur it plenty of times before the K stop operating,and a few times since on the D or reroutes... Its there...along with the Nassau st-Second Avenue provision. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 22 01:26:37 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jun 22 01:08:27 2008. Bless ya! Had no idea of what was going on there for reasons you already understand, don't care since the subway doesn't stop ANYWHERE in my 'hood. Heh.But your mentioning that does shed some light (to me at least) as to why 72 is important for three tracks, and maybe it makes a little sense if they DO decide to drop it from the "plan." I see it now being intended more for short turns to do a "meet" off-hours if usage is lower than expected. If that's the case, then it *might* be expendable. Still, having to get a dog out of the way because *I* was messing up the railroad, seems it should be kept in there anyway. I can see it being of TREMENDOUS value when the southern portion ever gets built for a "2nd/6th meet." |
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Posted by EastSideRider on Sun Jun 22 01:32:57 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Jun 21 02:22:12 2008. Who needs Computer Animations, just use google maps, get a Google account, and create a map with the exact streets and everything, its what i'm using for my map :) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 22 03:07:52 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jun 21 23:18:18 2008. Selkirk isn't "pwn3d" by anyone. The concept "pwn3d" is juvenile anyway. Does Tamar get "pwn3d" when you think she says something wrong? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 22 03:09:18 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 21 23:55:36 2008. "several folks here go into "judgement mode" on others, and sow what they reap. :)My wife sews and then reaps. She enjoys it. :0) |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Jun 22 03:18:46 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jun 22 01:26:06 2008. If we use this: http://images.nycsubway.org/trackmap/detail-chrystie.pngas an example, in my plan I'd like to have the 2nd Ave express tracks merge with the Chrystie St. local tracks just north of the Grand Ave station (below the Bowery Station). The 2nd Ave local tracks would be located underneath the Chrystie St. local tracks and would have a station at the lower level. I guess this connection would go below the "Chrystie St. Cut Off" labeled on the map above. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 22 03:19:22 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by R30A on Sat Jun 21 23:57:21 2008. There is one example of a subway station built in Philadelphia, anticipating that a subway line extension would meet it. If I recall correctly, it was JC Penney that built a station at its store along Roosevelt Blvd. The subway extension (Broad street Line) never came and the JC Penney store eventually shut down. |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Sun Jun 22 08:50:14 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by MainR3664 on Sat Jun 21 12:21:04 2008. If you look at the map for the line you have no place to puta disabled train except at the ends which will put one station track out of use till the train is fixed. In the rush hour this will make the line almost useless. FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 22 09:35:03 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 22 03:07:52 2008. No, but you can RENT me ... inquire about our hourly rates. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 22 09:37:19 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 22 03:09:18 2008. Aw, I was hoping someone would have taken that in the porcine tense ... comes with free silk purse. :) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 22 12:12:15 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by Alex L. on Sat Jun 21 23:07:43 2008. Rules are written for a particular railroad, equipment and signal system. LIRR has no trouble with bi-directional service at high speeds, BNSF has no problem with it in single track territory. As soon as they need to they will write new rules. That is the least of the issue, or so this humble LION supposes.ROAR |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jun 22 12:40:50 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by MainR3664 on Sat Jun 21 16:22:24 2008. I remember 1968 very well. LBJ announced he would not seek reelection. MLK, Jr. and RFK were assassinated within two months of each other. Riots everywhere.The Mets begin a turnaround under Gil Hodges. The slant R-40s make their debut. The R-10s, still dominating the Alice/Abbott, get repainted in a half-and-half aqua and white paint scheme. The subway fare was 20 cents with the dime-sized token in use. BMT standards still running on the Larry while R-7/9s begin migrating over to the Three Stooges Division. Front end destination signs are phased out on the R-32s and R-38s as well as the R-16s, which also get new side multicolored route curtains. Nixon appears on Laugh-in and deadpans, "Sock it to ME?" to the camera. Humphrey is offered the same slot and declines. Some say it cost him the election, as Nixon wins by the slimmest of margins. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 22 12:46:45 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by MainR3664 on Sat Jun 21 16:22:24 2008. "In fact, I think it's a question of political will and influence. Cosnider the two new stadiums beiong built with public backing (I think in terms of public guarantees of the bonds, but I'll admit I don't know the details, other than there is some sort of public sponsorship). The stadiums, while possibly nice, represent private interests, and I have a hard time with putting tax dollars on the line for them in any way."If you look at the stadiums' price tags, you'll see that inflation has hit them just as hard as the price of new subway lines. I agree with you that public money is best spent on public infrastructure. "Washington DC completed its Metro. The Metro includes tunnels under streets, under water, bridges over water, elevated and at grade sections, and direct link to a major airport (no silly "Air Train"). Locals complain about it, and I think it's a little dull, but it's there, and it works. Plans to expand it further seem to have realistic chances of realization." Washington started building over 25 years ago and completed much of its system by the 1980s. The extension to Largo Town Center was not primarily underground and did not have to be built through a dense urban core. The extension to Dulles will be 100% elevated, eliminating tunneling costs. That's why you have to compare apples to apples, so to speak. "I spend too much time on Sub and Bus Chat, and accordingly remain single." I think Amanda's still single...:0) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 22 12:48:53 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by FLASH GORDON on Sun Jun 22 08:50:14 2008. You spend far too much time worrying about something that doesn't occur often enough to spend $1 billion extra fixing it.Proper use of crossovers gets other trains around disabled trains. |
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Posted by Russ on Sun Jun 22 13:13:51 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jun 22 12:40:50 2008. "The subway fare was 20 cents with the dime-sized token in use."Was it possible to use dimes instead of the tokens? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Jun 22 13:23:54 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by Russ on Sun Jun 22 13:13:51 2008. I doubt it. The token had a specific weight as well. Now if the fare was 25 cents, it would be convenient if you could just use quarters. When PATH was a dollar, and when it was sane land, and you could deposit a cash fare, those cash accepting machines were heaven, but they removed them. I think i should write to the PA about this crap. |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Sun Jun 22 13:47:53 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 22 12:48:53 2008. If they are in the right place and the track is not already full of trains.FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 22 14:13:40 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by FLASH GORDON on Sun Jun 22 13:47:53 2008. That's what dispatchers are for.One aspect of a chatsite like this is that you can hang on to an idea and be closed off to anything else. That's fine because no one expects anything of you here. MTA cannot afford to obsess over one particular detail in a new subway line, because the agency stands to lose billions in penaltoes if the SAS is not built at all or if the line promised under contract to the FTA is not fulfilled. Thus, it must be prepared to deal with contingencies in a number of different ways, depending on how much money it has. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 22 14:24:21 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 22 14:13:40 2008. Just so's you know, Unca Flash is an ex-motorman of my vintage as well. Those who pound NYCT have a bit more of an idea of the real world than those who foam or advise. :) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 22 14:27:26 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 22 14:24:21 2008. Those who pound NYCT can be as closed-minded and "in the weeds" too. There's a reason why many motormen are great in the cab and wouldn't last a week at the helm. You've proved my point. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Jun 22 14:28:38 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 22 14:24:21 2008. People like you guys should run the MTA(replace executives), not some honchos with bananas in behinds who deserve to have toilets full of chit thrown at them.But i have noticed from reading posts that Ron likes these honchos. Maybe they share bananas. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Jun 22 14:30:20 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 22 14:27:26 2008. Umm, the current state of the MTA and NJT and all other agencies proves otherwise, these executives who rely on beancounters who have no idea. All they have are degrees and bananas up their behinds. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jun 22 14:34:02 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jun 21 18:27:38 2008. Actually:The idea of the N and Q both going to 125 as you suggested (with the W becoming the full time Astoria line) is a good one, but would really work if by the time work on Phase 2 is going money can be found to build that part of the SAS to double as a 125th Street crosstown, with one of the two lines going to a new terminal at 125th Street and 12th Avenue (with a possible connection to the 8th Avenue line from 125th that would give the MTA greater flexibility in the future) and the other going to a separate terminal at 126th Street and 2nd Avenue with a possible later extension to The Bronx as a possible reconstruction of the Bronx portion of the old 3rd Avenue El. As noted before, with Columbia University expanding as they will be over the next 15 years or so, by the time Phase 2 is done, that part may be very well needed. and as I believe has also been suggested here in the past may be something to try and get Columbia to perhaps contribute to in order to complete the 125th Street crosstown aspect of this. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Jun 22 14:51:52 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 22 12:46:45 2008. The extension to Largo Town Center was not primarily underground and did not have to be built through a dense urban core.Two thing you missed. The original plan called for 0% of the G route Blue line extension beyond Addison Road to be underground. That was changed. More then 80% of the route today is either enclosed or underground. WMATA with the aid of The Maryland National Park and Planning Commission basically set aside the easement for future use by WMATA back in the 1960s. There was virtually no development on either side of easement when it was set aside. Sense it was set aside much development has taken place. Hence the reason why 80% of the route today is either enclosed or underground. The extension to Dulles will be 100% elevated, eliminating tunneling costs. That's why you have to compare apples to apples, so to speak. The total length of the Tyson, Dulles Loudoun county N Route is 23.10 miles (37.18km). The total length of the four elevated sections is 4.42 miles (7.12km). The total length of the two segments in subway is 1.96 miles (3.64km). The remaining 20.94 miles (33.71km) is on the surface. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 22 14:57:43 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Jun 22 14:30:20 2008. Let me guess: You're one of them. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 22 14:57:55 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 22 14:27:26 2008. Ask about the helm ... they call it RCC. I accept your diss, and raise you 10 pounds. :) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 22 15:00:42 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Jun 22 14:51:52 2008. Thank you John.Still, the underground portion of dulles is miniscule, and the easement being set aside for the Largo Extension helped trem,endously. Also, the very shallow enclosed box on the Largo extension is a couple of orders of magnitude less expensive than what New York has to do. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Jun 22 15:01:00 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 22 14:57:55 2008. LOL! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 22 15:31:09 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by Russ on Sun Jun 22 13:13:51 2008. No. The actual token was smaller than a dime.ROAR |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Jun 22 15:37:13 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 22 15:31:09 2008. isn't that a bit too small then? Tokens tend to be bigger, and heavier. I have two SEPTA tokens, and they are a bit wider than a dime in diameter, but a bit thinner too. dimes are too small, and even HBLR TVMs have a hard time accepting them. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 22 15:39:58 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jun 22 14:34:02 2008. I agree that one service should move crosstown on 125th Street, I have suggested this before, but it SHOULD NOT connect with 8th Avenue. It should continue to the river. Why clog up another line with useless merges and additional terminal requirements. Peeps pn the Subway got two legs. It is sufficient that there will be a transfer to existing lions.The other 2nd Avenue line should follow 3rd Avenue as a new subway, in the Bronx to Fordham University. ROAR |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Jun 22 15:43:27 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jun 22 15:39:58 2008. Why would you have a crosstown line under 125 street, and not have the ability to transfer with the 8th avenue? it doesn't have to be a terminal, and it would make travel options better. I think CPW has a lot of spare capacity, they just run too few trains, too many timers, and too slowly.You don't prevent a transfer point just because a line MIGHT get overloaded, you make the best type of connection. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Jun 22 15:44:53 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Jun 22 15:43:27 2008. Nobody is saying not to have a transfer. Broadway Lion is saying not to have a track connection, as such a connection would be extremely expensive and useless. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Jun 22 16:02:44 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by R30A on Sun Jun 22 15:44:53 2008. oh, i agree then, that is true, it shouldn't be very expensive, but it would add more RAIL traffic to the IND. |
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