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Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 13:45:06 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Mar 9 12:18:29 2008. Except that it operated its trains in a network that included city-financed lines. So the BMT enjoyed a city infrastructure subsidy. Its profit in 1940 was very small, even counting the value f that.The BMT sold out in 1940, before the suburban boom. There is zero chance the BMT could have continued making money after WWII. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 13:46:29 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Mar 9 12:18:29 2008. I didn't say that a whole fleet of M1s should be restored. I merely suggested volunteers take possession of a single married pair (which would be historically significant), pay the expenses of relocating it, then restore it. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 13:49:01 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Mar 9 12:24:08 2008. The M1s got very good maintenance. They cracked because despite good care, that sort of thing will happen eventually.The amount of effort required to keep a 40-year old car, which has seen heavy service in as-new condition, is not economical. It is wasteful of resources. |
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Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 13:53:29 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 12:29:25 2008. If you think that was bad policy, you can (and I encourage it) write to MTA or elected officials and complain.My point was not that it's a bad or good idea; my point was that it does happen and that, separately, the donation of a car or two does not contravene state law. If Dutch thinks it's a bad idea that's fine, but we need to separate what Dutch believes from what policy is. They are not the same. If Dutch thinks it's a bad idea, by all means he can pick up a phone and complain or write to the Governor or whatever he wants to do as a citizen. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 14:15:59 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 13:53:29 2008. I did not say its bad idea, but NYS does have rules for disposition of assets and MTA has to comply with it, if they skirt the issue here or there, I don't know.It does not mean MTA can do whatever it wants to do thats all. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 14:20:17 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 14:15:59 2008. Of course it has rules, but the rules do not prohibit donation of cars to a museum. They don't even discourage it. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Mar 9 14:23:48 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 12:49:22 2008. the truck mounts are around the bolsteres, right?they are most PRONE to cracks because that is where most stress, as that is where the body meets the truck. Replace the bolsters, more specifically, the beam on which the bolsters are mounted, and another 40 years of smoothness. Expanding windows is difficult, but doable, i don't know how much rigidity the M1s get from the side upper body, but it can be compensated for by placing rigid beams where necessary to gain the rigidity. I never did like the small windows however. that is why i like older cars...BIG non-tinted windows. New cars have bigger, but more tinted windows. I HATE tinted windows. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Mar 9 14:26:38 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 13:49:01 2008. "they cracked"That statement proves you do not know chit of what you speak. Dutch explained that the truck mounts started to develop cracks. Replacing that beam would resolve the issue. The M1 bodies are still GOOD. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 14:33:21 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 13:53:29 2008. I'm not complaining. I merely sent in a message asking for their reasons not to scrap the cars, given the scrap value, as compared to reefing them.If they can supply a good reason, why should I complain? And if they don't supply a good reason, well, I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 14:33:41 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Mar 9 14:26:38 2008. No, they are not. The brittleness affects the entire body, not just where there are cracks.If you want to use your own money to pay to upkeep an old car, you an do that. LIRR has wisely decided not to. What do you do for a living? What's your profession? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 14:34:02 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 14:33:41 2008. Or are you like Salaam (ie no profession)? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Mar 9 14:35:14 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 9 13:23:56 2008. Lion, you are a good guy, i know this, BUT.You must realize that we live on a planet. The planet does not live on us, we are one with it. We put that asbestos in concentrated levels and give it to the fish, it is gonna be regurgutated right back at us. we gotta be careful. We WILL suffer from our ignorance and laziness, we must get up, and THINK. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Mar 9 14:36:59 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 14:33:41 2008. I am starting to feel the BAD attitude and ignorance again, Ron.Don't be so sensitive. Be positive. I won't talk to you again until you become normal again. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 14:39:41 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Mar 9 14:35:14 2008. "We put that asbestos in concentrated levels and give it to the fish, it is gonna be regurgutated right back at us"How do you figure that? Do you know what asbestos does, or what it is? Let's see: Yu don't know much about trains, you don't know much about science, you don't know anything about asbestos, but you do make lots of pronouncements... What do you do for a living? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 14:40:14 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Mar 9 14:36:59 2008. So you're unemployed and on welfare, like Salaam? |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Mar 9 14:55:43 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 12:49:22 2008. You do realize that you can rebuild cars with small windows. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 15:01:41 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by R30A on Sun Mar 9 14:55:43 2008. No you can not structuraly rebuilt cars with small windows.cutting a bigger opening will change the strenght of carbody as structural members of sidewall need to be changed. Doing so will impact the buff strenght of the car as it will decrease strenght of sidewall. Upgrading a propulsion system or putting in new linoleum is not a rebuilt. Like the end door Bombardier cars on MNCR, they are basicly just getting a component changout and a visual improvement, the cars are not being structuraly altered in any way. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Mar 9 15:03:25 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 15:01:41 2008. Amtrak proves otherwise with the work theyve done on amfleets and metroliners. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Mar 9 15:06:35 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Mar 9 14:26:38 2008. You can't JUST replace those beams. If it is the car body bolsters they are talking about, the car is scrap no matter what the body looks like. A handful of R44s, one or two at SIRT and at least two of them at 207Y can not be repaired because of bolster cracks, and metal fatigue would likely occur around any attempt to fix them because of the weights involved. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Mar 9 15:10:58 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Mar 9 15:06:35 2008. You sure about that?I thought that they fixed one of those R44s (5268) |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Mar 9 15:19:01 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Mar 9 14:35:14 2008. Mesothelioma comes from airborne asbestos, not waterborne.What you drink does not go through your lungs. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 9 15:23:23 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 13:27:20 2008. So that is why the M1s were salvaged and went to Mexico.But how much spectiass is in the 32s, 38, 40, and 42s. The 40 M was modeled after the M-1s and should have less spetious. Maybe knot. All of the design was done earlier, all was new was a nose. And that was fiberglass. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 9 15:28:09 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Mar 9 14:35:14 2008. Asbestos is a NATURAL substance found in the soil. Some places in the country have more asbestos in the soil than others. Asbestos is also a rather inert, and non-toxic substance. You can eat it all you like with no ill-effects. Airborne particles breathed into the lungs can cause a vile sort of cancer, so we try not to breathe the stuff, and to that end we try to keep it out of our environment. The Fish, as I said, do not care, mostly because they do not need to breath the stuff. Any asbestos that is washed or leached out of these cars will sink to the ocean floor where they will be returned to the earth from which they came.Now I have to tell you that LIONS do like the earth. But LIONS also like people too. They taste like chicken. ROAR |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 15:29:17 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by R30A on Sun Mar 9 15:03:25 2008. Refurbish and rebuilt is quite a difference. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 15:30:25 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 9 15:28:09 2008. 8-) |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Mar 9 15:30:51 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 15:29:17 2008. Wreck repairs arent structural? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 9 15:36:48 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by R30A on Sun Mar 9 15:30:51 2008. Depends.If we have your Assurance that you will Attend to them properly then maybe some repairs can be made to work. Others can not. If is not Barack, don't fix it. ROAR |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 15:41:50 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by R30A on Sun Mar 9 15:30:51 2008. Not seen any wreck repaired Amfleets , only superliners.Not in last 4 years anyway, maby before the jan 2004 date but not after. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 9 15:44:37 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 15:41:50 2008. And why is this Jan 2004 date significant?ROAR |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 15:47:00 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 9 15:44:37 2008. Probably the effective date of whatever regulation Dutchrailnut is adverting to, I'd guess. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 15:56:28 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 15:47:00 2008. Actually I was wrong the rule went into effect in 2000.here is basic rule, there is some additions to this rule considering rebuilts, I can not currently find however: http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/09nov20051500/edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2005/octqtr/49cfr238.113.htm |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 9 16:07:24 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 15:56:28 2008. "Sec. 238.113 Emergency window exits.(a) The following requirements apply on or after Novermber 8, 1999-- (1) Each passenger car shall have a minimum of four emergency window exits, either in a staggered configuration where practical or with one exit located in each end of each side of the passenger car. If the passenger car has multiple levels, each main level shall have a minimum of four emergency window exits, either in a staggered configuration where practical or with one exit located in each end of each side on each level." SO! it is just as I thought: More DEMOCRAT PARTY instigated regulations to bother and bufuddle responsible business interests! ROARING |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Mar 9 16:20:41 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by R30A on Sun Mar 9 15:10:58 2008. I have yet to see one survive. Those components don't fail when under warranty (R46 trucks did however). There is a batch of long term O/S R44s by the water, most of them I remember being there while I worked there. One or two of them went O/S recently for those reasons and I'm sure it is long term labor and $$$ to repair one if it can be at all |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 16:30:03 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 9 16:07:24 2008. What the fuck does party affiliation have to do with emergency windows ??? the rule came from the MARC/Amtrak crash in Maryland.It was later amended to include the size of windows to a min 26 inch for horizantal clearance and minimum of 24 inch vertical clearance. Jezzz your dumb. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 17:11:21 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 16:30:03 2008. the rule came from the MARC/Amtrak crash in Maryland.The Silver Spring Collision: Report link. The report by NTSB makes clear the reason for the rule, and there are several recommendations to FRA on that front. |
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Posted by Otto on Sun Mar 9 19:58:08 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 16:30:03 2008. Really Mr Van Dorp! |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Mar 9 20:11:12 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 10:28:05 2008. "The fact that the railroad donates equipment is even questionable as its the railroads obligation to taxpayer to get most money out of disposing of assets."This is a dangerously utilitarian line of reasoning. One could bulldoze Grand Central Terminal on that basis if someone offered $50 billion for the property. Aesthetics and historical preservation have a place in life. Besides, how much is my LIRR fare going up because four or six M-1 cars were preserved? $0.01 a trip? Will it delay East Side Access? Will it even mean the loss of a single ticket collector on a single train? I think we're talking pocket change here as far as LIRR budgeting goes. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 9 20:14:19 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 9 16:07:24 2008. We had a GOP majority in Congress back in '99. |
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Posted by Otto on Sun Mar 9 20:30:15 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 9 20:14:19 2008. And look where it got us.... |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Sun Mar 9 20:32:18 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Fred G on Sun Mar 9 12:24:22 2008. Thanks Fred! I heard the rumor that the pair was shipped there last Sunday, so I had to see it for myself, and I got sopping wet in taking the pictures, but it was worth it! |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 20:32:57 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Otto on Sun Mar 9 19:58:08 2008. How funny it is for lowest quality of scum to hide behind a screen name he nows is not his.only to try to put my name on the forum. Just when you thought lowlife could not get any lower. miserable Coward. No balls to meeet me face to face piece of shit ??? |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Mar 9 20:45:30 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 13:46:29 2008. I didn't say that a whole fleet of M1s should be restored. I merely suggested volunteers take possession of a single married pair (which would be historically significant), pay the expenses of relocating it, then restore it.My thoughts were pertaining to any one pair remaining. The whole fleet is gone anyway. Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 20:54:45 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 20:32:57 2008. Well, at least now we know why the Dutchrailnut reference. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 20:55:19 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 20:54:45 2008. Your child would be referred to as New Dorp. 80) |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Mar 9 21:05:30 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Mar 8 22:21:03 2008. Your second statement is simply not true.Roughly 70 active amfleets are not push pull capable. They tend to accumulate on Empire service runs, although they can show up anywhere not on the Keystone/Vermonter. |
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Posted by Otto on Sun Mar 9 21:10:08 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 20:32:57 2008. DutchrailnutJaap Van Dorp Metro-North Commuter Railroad ACRE Member |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 21:19:46 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Otto on Sun Mar 9 21:10:08 2008. acumscumsucker lowlife douchbag ble er. |
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Posted by Otto on Sun Mar 9 21:22:30 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 21:19:46 2008. Wrong person. BLE is the better Union though.But thanks for playing. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 21:26:38 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Otto on Sun Mar 9 21:22:30 2008. Like I said no balls and no brains, not worth playing with people hdding behind fictiious names, and your still a piece of shit that won't fight this man to man.your nothing more than a coward. |
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Posted by Otto on Sun Mar 9 21:31:36 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 21:26:38 2008. Have a nice evening MR. JAAP VAN DORP. |
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