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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 8 21:42:02 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 8 19:31:32 2008. Yes this is true, but no it is not.It is an ROW. The freight tracks may stay exactly where they are, and completely undisturbed while either a subway is built over them or a elevated built under them. Make it four tracks while you are at it. Two for NYCT and two for LIRR. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 8 21:42:37 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 8 19:31:50 2008. Yawn |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 8 21:43:17 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sat Mar 8 16:47:53 2008. Yes. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Mar 8 21:55:01 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 8 19:22:19 2008. Frankly, I didn't think it would go on for almost four weeks when I first made that quicksand/Hotel California comment. Maybe I should make a reply to it to make it an over a month thread (j/k). |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Mar 8 21:59:15 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 8 19:31:32 2008. just about 199% of Long Island's and Brooklyn's freightThe new math... |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Mar 8 22:05:36 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 8 08:52:28 2008. Not necessarily. While I don't know how useful it would be for Rockaway, it would be useful for the area between Liberty Ave and Queens Blvd. That area has no subway service, and the line would bring subway service to that section.I wouldn't hold out much hope on that basis -- I'd predict a similar magnitude of local ridership to the Franklin Shuttle. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Mar 8 22:07:35 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 12:07:07 2008. The trains will be running local on Queens BlvdWhilst the passengers will be crossing the platform at Roosevelt Avenue... |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Mar 8 22:08:24 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 8 21:11:55 2008. Well, once East Side Access opens and if LIRR can get the Third Track project underway, it would not be unreasonable to talk about adding additional service to Ozone Park.The LIRR probably has more profitable markets for its capacity. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Mar 8 22:09:50 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Mar 8 05:37:25 2008. Now, a Brooklyn train to Rockaway over the Marine Park Bridge, that would be neat!!!Combine the Rockaway and Franklin Shuttles!!! |
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Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 22:13:06 2008, in response to Re: Thus Spake the LION: Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by FarRock on Sat Mar 8 21:31:30 2008. It peaks at 30 tph, an even split between E and F trains, although I think that east of Kew Gardens, the peak split is 17 tph to 179th St and 13 tph to Jamaica Center because the latter terminal is set up very curiously.30 tph is essentially the practical limit of the signal system, so it's not really possible to add more trains. But there is capacity on the local tracks up to the same 30 tph figure - the trouble is that there isn't any terminal capacity to turn 30 tph worth of local trains; Forest Hills is a relay terminal and it relies on trains being completely clear into the relay, which takes time to do. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 22:28:53 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Mar 8 22:07:35 2008. That sounds right.Hey, the people LOVE express trains! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 8 23:03:33 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Mar 8 22:05:36 2008. Only if the line ran like a "shuttle". If it ran as a subway line connected to Manhattan, it's ridership would be good. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 8 23:04:04 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Mar 8 21:59:15 2008. Yeah, I corrected that in my next post. That was a slip of the fingers. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 8 23:05:05 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Mar 8 21:55:01 2008. I should have quit then, but once I was in it....I was in it. It's sort of like a disease. You know you unfortunately got stuck with it, but it's hard to get rid of. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 8 23:06:36 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 8 21:42:37 2008. And where do you propose the freight goes? And don't talk about some untouchably expensive project to double deck it or something. As not only would that be prohibitly expensive, the NIMBY outcry would be extreme. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 8 23:08:20 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 8 21:40:16 2008. Great in the world of Utopia. Unfortunately, this is not the African Jungle where lions roam and transit funds grow on trees.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 8 23:14:57 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Mar 8 21:28:13 2008. Williamsburg? What about Greenpoint, Bedford-Stuyvesant and Fort Greene? There's only a station, maybe two in Williamsburg, the other areas have a lot more stations that the G serves. I always think as the L and the J/M as "Williamsburg's lines". |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 8 23:51:24 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Mar 8 22:08:24 2008. LIRR is not an airline. Ticket prices are fixed. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Mar 9 01:10:41 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by SMAZ on Sat Mar 8 00:51:04 2008. No, dropping the $5 ped toll would end the thread. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Mar 9 01:12:13 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 8 19:22:19 2008. yep, your fault. the $5 fare is unfair. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Mar 9 01:12:50 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Mar 8 22:08:24 2008. true |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 9 01:13:43 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Mar 9 01:10:41 2008. Afraid not:http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=583398 |
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Posted by monorail on Sun Mar 9 01:32:45 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 8 21:42:02 2008. ' and completely undisturbed while either a subway is built over them or a elevated built under them.'think you may have gotten that reversed.... |
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Posted by monorail on Sun Mar 9 01:33:58 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 8 23:06:36 2008. 'And where do you propose the freight goes? 'same tracks during the overnight hours |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 9 06:42:05 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 11:33:17 2008. No it not..and it makes perfect sense. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun Mar 9 08:44:07 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 8 23:51:24 2008. LIRR is not an airline. Ticket prices are fixed.Exactly. So an route entirely in Zones 1 and 3 only with similar (or, most likely, worse) ridership and runtime to one through more zones is inevitably going to be a poor bet. And here's what I think would be a better bet: more Babylon Branch trains. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun Mar 9 08:45:02 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 22:28:53 2008. Hey, the people LOVE express trains!Can you blame them? |
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Posted by Doctor B on Sun Mar 9 09:12:44 2008, in response to Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by NEPONSIT2006 on Fri Mar 7 18:00:11 2008. Nothing will ever happen regarding the Rockaway Line as long as Barbara Stuchinski of Forest Hills Civic is still active. She has a big mouth and politicians fear her. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 9 09:14:03 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun Mar 9 08:44:07 2008. Yup, as well as Ronkonkoma, although there they also need a second track. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 9 09:15:23 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by monorail on Sun Mar 9 01:33:58 2008. Do you have any idea how much frieght goes through there? And NY&A's carrying is increasing each year. Not to mention restrictions on what they can carry through at night because of the neighborhoods along, such as Glendale, which complains with a lot less that that. |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Sun Mar 9 10:05:02 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 8 08:55:02 2008. I think NYC owns the ROW at this time. They should transfer it to NYCT and let them use it for their needs. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun Mar 9 10:05:36 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 8 23:03:33 2008. Only if the line ran like a "shuttle". If it ran as a subway line connected to Manhattan, it's ridership would be good.That assumes one of two things: 1) Ridership from beyond the section in question would be high enough to bridge the gap (unlikely, given how poorly the Rockaway Park Branch performs; and anyone going from QB to JFK would transfer at Sutphin/Archer anyway). 2) The stations would suddenly see a massive boost in ridership because of a transfer being changed from one from the disused level at Roosevelt to one across the platform at Roosevelt. (It's laughable to think you're getting an express run with *that* branch.) Let's try to place stations and see if we can think of analogs elsewhere. Here's the best distribution I can come up with: 66th Avenue - Fleet Street Metropolitan Avenue Myrtle Avenue Jamaica Avenue Atlantic Avenue 101st Avenue Liberty Avenue - Rockaway Blvd Now let's try to comment on the following things: 1) What's the neighborhood like, and how much of one is there before you run into near-infinite parkland? 2) What transfers are available, how good are they, and how useful are they? 3) Are there already better routes to similar destinations available nearby? 66th Avenue - Fleet Street - good mix of housing types (albeit not particularly high-density), continuing a reasonable distance in all directions - no transfers, but maybe the Q46 could be extended to this station - very near Forest Hills LIRR and Subway stations, which riders are channeled toward by the Q23 bus Metropolitan Avenue - fairly desolate around the station, but quickly turns into a reasonable low-ish density neighborhood, but that gets hemmed in by parkland and cemeteries too quickly in too many directions - transfer to the Q54 bus (and also the Q23, not that there's much point) - maybe this would take some ridership off the M train Myrtle Avenue - practically nothing there, apart from a few houses in one direction - transfer to the Q55 bus, which hasn't really got served very much away from the Jamaica Line to pick up significant transferees Jamaica Avenue - well, it's Jamaica Avenue, so you can predict what's around it - transfer to the Q56 bus, or walk a block and a half to the western entrance to 102-104 Sts station on the J (Z when it's running), presuming they bothered to refurbish that - maybe this would take some ridership off the J train Atlantic Avenue - again, fairly good surroundings, apart from the former curve to the LIRR to Flatbush Avenue - transfer to the Q24 bus; it's unlikely the LIRR would bother 101st Avenue - guess - Q8 this time Liberty Avenue - Rockaway Blvd - generally similar to the last three, but there seem to be some vacant lots - Q7, Q41, Q112, or walk three blocks to the A train at Rockaway Blvd, which a lot of the bus passengers would ride on to anyway So let's now think up some parallels: 66th Avenue - Fleet Street = Whitlock Avenue (Pelham) Metropolitan Avenue = Metropolitan Avenue (Myrtle) Myrtle Avenue = Bushwick Avenue / Aberdeen Street (14-Canarsie) Jamaica Avenue = 104 Street (Jamaica) Atlantic Avenue = 104 Street (Jamaica) 101st Avenue = 104 Street (Jamaica) Liberty Avenue - Rockaway Blvd = Forest Avenue (Myrtle) So what does this result in? Using 2003 data: 405. Whitlock Ave (6) 402,958 333. Metropolitan Ave-Middle Village (M) 959,474 411. Bushwick Ave-Aberdeen St (L) 260,328 383. 104 St (J,Z) 627,813 383. 104 St (J,Z) 627,813 383. 104 St (J,Z) 627,813 336. Forest Ave (M) 947,228 TOTAL 4,453,427 In more tangible terms, that's only about 10% more ridership than there is beyond Broad Channel. Or it's roughly the same as Greenpoint Avenue and Nassau Avenue stations alone on the Crosstown Line. So the level of service that you would be able to justify would basically be 300ft trains on pretty lame headways. Seeing as Woodhaven Blvd runs parallel, has an ugly median, and passes much closer to existing stations, I would expect that LRT (or even BRT) would prove to be much better value for money, as well as annoying the NIMBYs less. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 10:06:07 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun Mar 9 08:45:02 2008. I can only blame them when it saves no time, or even slows things down.Put it this way: quite a few summers ago, they were replacing switches just 'south' of Roosevelt Ave on the Queens Blvd Line, which necessitated slow speeds through the region, which given the close proximity of the station didn't bode well for running time on the express. The local had no such problems. Even after weeks, people would persist in taking the express, and then switching to the local at Roosevelt Av, where they would bitch and moan about how bad the ride was, since congestion on the local track would then tend to increase as one got closer to Forest Hills on account of backup issues into the relay. I even see this on LIRR, nowadays. The local train leaves first making all stops to Great Neck. The Port Washington express leaves next, making first stop: Bayside, then Great Neck and all stops. People will seriously wonder how the express train doesn't get there first, which unless it can fly over the leading train that left 10 minutes before it, just won't happen. But when express trains make sense, fantastic! I just don't think that people should be blithely ignorant and think that whatever their purposes, the express will save time. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Mar 9 10:09:25 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Transit Guy on Sun Mar 9 10:05:02 2008. No, NYC should retain ownership of it but allowed NYCT to use it. |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Sun Mar 9 10:13:48 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Dan on Fri Mar 7 19:32:11 2008. I don't think the LIRR should take the line back. I think it should be re used as a subway line (as an alternative route to the A or C but a faster one). I was actually just thinking, how would the MTA change the current configuration by Rockaway Blvd? Could they build a 4 track configuration or stack them on top of each other. Either way, if the MTA is serious about making traveling faster and more efficient, they should really push for this plan. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Mar 9 10:14:20 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Mar 9 10:09:25 2008. IAWTPyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 10:14:53 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun Mar 9 10:05:36 2008. I tend to agree with your skepticism, but I'm not sure that LRT/BRT would be a better bet, that said. We haven't seen it implemented in our area for anything like relative savings.On the skeptical note as to ridership, that's why I had figured that LIRR would generally be the better fit, BUT the fact that a lot of the ridership may not be able to pay zone 3, or even zone 1, fares shoots that one down pretty quick. I'll say: save the money, find a worthier project. |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Sun Mar 9 11:11:01 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Fred G on Sun Mar 9 10:14:20 2008. Yeah that is true, now that I'm thinking about it, I guess it would be a better move. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Mar 9 11:42:00 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sun Mar 9 10:05:36 2008. 66th Avenue - Fleet Street = Whitlock Avenue (Pelham)I can't comment don't know those areas. Metropolitan Avenue = Metropolitan Avenue (Myrtle) Absolutely not, Metropolitan Ave in middle Village is in the middle of no where. People can only either walk or take the bus to that location, you can't even park anywhere near there if you wanted to. You have a hard time even dropping off people in front, as it's a traffic lane in front of the place (very congested traffic wise), and you can't just stop there. Myrtle Avenue = Bushwick Avenue / Aberdeen Street (14-Canarsie) Absolutely not, Bushwick-Aberdeen is even more desolate than Metropolitan on the M. Jamaica Avenue = 104 Street (Jamaica) Perhaps. Atlantic Avenue = 104 Street (Jamaica) Perhaps, but 104th St is less density I believe. 101st Avenue = 104 Street (Jamaica) Perhaps, but 104 St is less density I believe. Liberty Avenue - Rockaway Blvd = Forest Avenue (Myrtle) I am very familiar with Forest on the M. I am not as familiar with Liberty Ave there, however, having lived near Forest on the M (which was once my home station), I often walked to Myrtle and Wyckoff as the M isn't a convenient line if you need most locations in Manhattan. So the L takes away a lot of the M's potential ridership. The M isn't as desirable because of where it goes in Manhattan. Liberty would have good Midtown access, and you don't have an alternative route like you do not far from Forest Ave. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 9 12:28:57 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 20:08:34 2008. The LIRR is meant for suburban ridership, only outer Queens is an exception. Population density demands rapid-transit like schedules out there, one off-peak train per hour won't cut it. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sun Mar 9 12:29:11 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Doctor B on Sun Mar 9 09:12:44 2008. The Rockaway Line doesn't even go through Forest Hills and barely touches Forest Hills Gardens. Why would this Stuchinski lady have a problem with a train line that barely touches her neighborhood? And why should politicians fear her? If all she's got is a big mouth and she's selfishly trying to use it to stop a transit project dead in its tracks, I'd tell her to go f**k off! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 12:34:12 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 9 12:28:57 2008. Do the ridership stats bear that out as to the Rockaways stations? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 9 12:35:16 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 20:10:09 2008. I don't know about that - the perennial complaint, right up to the present day, is that NYCT service from the Rockaways is not as fast as commuter rail would be. It's a lot faster than it was back in the days when the A ran express only during rush hours. Let's compare speed. From my calculations, it takes about 1 hour and 5 minutes to get from Far Rockaway to Penn Station. I would estimate that if the LIRR took over, the ride would take 55 minutes, about the same as it would from the Far Rockaway LIRR. That's GREAT for folks headed to 34th St. on the West side. But what about anywhere else? These folks will need to take the subway anyway when they get into Manhattan, adding another $2 to their trip and negating any time savings. Will people pay $10.50 (an $8.50 peak fare plus a $2 subway ride) to potentially save 10-12 minutes? No. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 9 12:37:12 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 8 14:28:54 2008. Or let rising sea levels wipe it out, making this debate moot. |
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Posted by FarRock on Sun Mar 9 12:38:18 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Transit Guy on Sun Mar 9 10:13:48 2008. I guess there would be a crossover similar to the one at Myrtle Av when the (M) crosses over the (J) and (Z) tracks.I dont think it would interfere with (A) service if the schedule is set up right. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 9 12:41:24 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Mar 8 19:46:56 2008. 65MPH? HA! /Krapabble The close stations in the Rockaways will keep the LIRR trains' speed down. NYCT trains can hit 50 MPH on the flats, a 65 MPH LIRR train will save what, 2 minutes? The junction at White pot will keep speed down there, and little room to run flat out can be had before trains hit the Woodside station and Harold Interlocking. The Far Rockaway line is a slow PITA. It crawls into Valley Stream, Jamaica, and thru Dunton or Jay. It only reaches good speeds underneath Atlantic Ave (for FBA trains only). |
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Posted by FarRock on Sun Mar 9 12:42:04 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 9 12:35:16 2008. If you want go get downtown fast take the (A). If you want to Midtown fast take the LIRR. Thats how it is for me. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Mar 9 12:43:03 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 8 23:08:20 2008. ON SNAP! |
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Posted by FarRock on Sun Mar 9 12:43:15 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 9 12:41:24 2008. Its picks up good speed on the Exp runs between Valley Stream and Jamaica. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 9 12:43:33 2008, in response to Re: Re-Open LIRR 'White Pot Junction, posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Mar 8 19:10:51 2008. It wouldn't be if the Hempstead line was reconfigured to eliminate all those slow, at grade switches between Queens and Hall. |
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