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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jan 26 11:11:12 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by BMTLines on Sat Jan 26 10:34:28 2008. "they also exist to raise revenue for the state otherwise tax, traffic and parking laws could be significantly simplified...."Um... No. Most parking regulations are requested by the businesses along the street. They want parking spaces available in front of their establishments for customers. Owners, employees, and all day parkers are encouraged or required to park elsewither. In North Dakota, parking meters are illegal. Why? Because businessmen petitioned the legislature to make it so. In Dickinson, the business group got the city to pass regulations prohibiting owners and employees from parking on the street. They must use municipal parking that is further away. In Bismarck, the business group got the city to place a 1 hour limit on downtown parking, AND to hire enforcement officers to patrol the streets. They drive down the streets in a little cart, and paint a stripe on the tire tread. An hour later they come down the street again, and ticket any vehicle that still has a stripe on the tire. NOT because the city needs the money, although the money *does* help pay for the enforcement, but because the businessmen want a turnover of traffic in front of their businesses. Otherwise the city would not bother with time limits of fine collections. And other citizens have supported this because 1) they want to be able to find a parking place to shop downtown; and 2) because they think that having a vibrant downtown is better than driving to the big box stores out by the edges of town. ROAR |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jan 26 11:22:05 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jan 25 12:08:20 2008. Why would you think I belong to the NRA? |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 26 11:23:00 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jan 26 11:22:05 2008. He didn't say "belong." He said "make a donation." |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jan 26 11:23:08 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by BMTLines on Sat Jan 26 10:34:28 2008. Because iguanas are not pets and are unsuited for our climate. |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jan 26 11:23:57 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jan 25 11:10:35 2008. Well I didn't want to be vulgar ... |
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Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by metropod on Sat Jan 26 11:44:31 2008, in response to Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Jan 25 21:39:47 2008. the upper level of roosevelt ave faces east. you'd have to demolish the mezzinie to accese it from the west. |
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Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by Russ on Sat Jan 26 12:00:10 2008, in response to Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island, posted by metropod on Sat Jan 26 11:44:31 2008. the upper level of roosevelt ave faces east. you'd have to demolish the mezzinie to accese it from the west.If we prohibit passengers from using the station, we can really make the plan work! |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Sat Jan 26 12:48:11 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by Grand concourse on Sat Jan 26 02:47:06 2008. Since I became Forest Glen I haven't made any statements like that. |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Jan 26 19:00:03 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jan 26 11:23:08 2008. They can be and for that matter tropical fish are unsuited for our climate but an artificial environment can be created for them. Other small lizards such as geckos are allowed so why not iguanas? - I still think it is a stupid law. Anyway it was just one example of many stupid rules that we must obey in a so-called "free" society. |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Jan 26 19:05:52 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jan 26 11:11:12 2008. What you say may very well be true in North Dakota but is far from the truth in NYC. The city openly admits that parking restrictions here raise revenue and revenue from fines and penalties of all kinds is a significant component of the budget. Try reading some of the signs here - you need a lawyer to interpret some of the posted rules. |
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Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 26 22:17:29 2008, in response to Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island, posted by metropod on Sat Jan 26 11:44:31 2008. That I obviously didn't know, however:The first priority would be to get it to Roosevelt Island with as noted a new tunnel that would come into Manhattan on 76th or 79th street, with 79th street the preferred point and a stop at York-1st Avenues that would give those riders subway access without in a lot of cases having to walk a considerable distance (again, even with the SAS). Then I would figure out how to work it so you can use the never-used upper level of Roosevelt Avenue as a terminal for a new Queens Blvd. super express. Actually, the latter might be a way to totally re-do that area, with a new mezzanine for the Roosevelt Avenue station as well as coverting the 74th street station on the 7 that connects to it into a two-island platform express station that would eventually allow for transfers from the 7 to the E/F/R/V as is the case now and the super express. |
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Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by Russ on Sun Jan 27 12:30:45 2008, in response to Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 26 22:17:29 2008. The SAS is being built for 30tph service. The MTA has publicly stated that when the Q and T are running together, they will be at 28tph of service. How you get a new tunnel to Roosevelt Island from the SAS? More importantly, why would you build a multi-billion dollar tunnel to serve so few people? |
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Posted by metropod on Sun Jan 27 14:15:16 2008, in response to Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 26 22:17:29 2008. just stop trying to sell this, you have a few details short. The Roosevelt upper level is not in a postion to be used by a train not comming from the east. the west end of the unused station is about 100 feet east of the main line station (about even with the eastbound express/local X-over). the unused level is only one flight from the street. there would be no way to get to it from the west if the mezz was removed. As it's an island plaform in the middle of the street, there would be no way to buld an entrance. I'm not saying you can't have your super express, it just can't use the Roosevelt upper level if you want it to go east. |
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Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island/Queens Blvd. Super Express |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jan 27 19:57:44 2008, in response to Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island, posted by Russ on Sun Jan 27 12:30:45 2008. As noted, that tunnel would be Phase 1 of 2 that would eventually have it go into Queens to create a new Super Express on Queens Blvd. that would terminate on the never previously used upper level of the Roosevelt Avenue Station. Such a line would perhaps have one other stop in Queens before continuing to Roosevelt Island and then as noted the one Upper East Side stop before joining the SAS.Also, 72nd Street is slated to be a three-track station anyway. What could be done there is the Roosevelt addition could come in on the far west track coming from Queens, while the T operates on what would be the middle track into the 72nd/2nd stop. That would allow for more trains per hour into that stop since the Q/Roosevelt Island train and T would be on separate tracks at 72/2nd going downtown. It is also why I would look at making 72/2 a four-track station since it would allow for such a connection more easily and also allow for later on having a lower level for express service on the SAS should that need ever arise, as well as 72/2 serving as a potential terminal if needed. |
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Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jan 27 20:01:17 2008, in response to Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island, posted by metropod on Sun Jan 27 14:15:16 2008. OK:Obviously, I didn't know the full details of that one. It has occured to me to use that station since it was already built. Nonetheless, the point is something does need to be done there to relieve the problem on Queens Blvd. that is only going to get worse over time. Some form of this is one way of doing that. |
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Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island/Queens Blvd. Super Express |
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Posted by Russ on Sun Jan 27 21:23:31 2008, in response to Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island/Queens Blvd. Super Express, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jan 27 19:57:44 2008. Let me get this straight. You're advocating that the MTA should have Phase 1 of the 75 year late SAS, which is currently being built, modified at a cost of billions to add an unneeded service to Roosevelt Island with absolutely no funding source to support such a project? |
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Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island/Queens Blvd. Super Express |
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Posted by Zman179 on Sun Jan 27 21:36:34 2008, in response to Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island/Queens Blvd. Super Express, posted by Russ on Sun Jan 27 21:23:31 2008. Uh, yeah. Wallyhorse always comes up with these grandiose, unrealistic, pie-in-the-sky ideas with absolutely no idea on how to pay for it. |
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Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island/Queens Blvd. Super Express |
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Posted by metropod on Sun Jan 27 21:39:02 2008, in response to Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island/Queens Blvd. Super Express, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jan 27 19:57:44 2008. I distincly remember the plan being to have the Q on the center track, which would connect to the 63rd street line, going uptown. the T and Q would stop togther going downtown, with the split after the stop and the T would have the east wall all to itself. |
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Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island/Queens Blvd. Super Express |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Jan 27 21:39:15 2008, in response to Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island/Queens Blvd. Super Express, posted by Russ on Sun Jan 27 21:23:31 2008. I can't believe anyone would advocate modifying the SAS at this point. That would be disastrous. That project has had enough delays.Maybe another Roosevelt Island connection can be incorporated into the Fifth Avenue Subway or the Third Avenue Subway. It's too late for the SAS though; it just didn't make the cut. In any case, Roosevelt Island riders don't have to stand long on the short ride to Manhattan. I'm sure seats become available as soon as Rockefeller Center anyway. |
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Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island/Queens Blvd. Super Express |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jan 28 02:26:44 2008, in response to Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island/Queens Blvd. Super Express, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Jan 27 21:39:15 2008. If they can implement a Queens SAS train to a terminate either over the LIRR/ESA tunnel near Northern Blvd/Queens Plaza or have it turn into the unfinished tunnels after 63rd Dr, then RI/Queensbridge get two services to Manhattan, the (F) and the SAS. This wouldn't require any changes to the overall scheme planned for Second Avenue. |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by Roosevelt Island 360 on Mon Jan 28 12:44:29 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 26 07:28:24 2008. Partially true. The head cars are always crowded with folks looking to jump out at Lex/63rd to get on those escalators there. |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by Rapid Transit Guy on Mon Jan 28 16:35:07 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by Roosevelt Island 360 on Fri Jan 25 01:38:04 2008. They have to re-think that idea. There's no way for the (Q) to terminate at 21st Street. If its' going to be sent back through 63rd street, then it has to be through-rotued towards Jamaica.Then, there's the issue of slipping in (Q)'s between the (E)'s and (F)'s. With the express already at alleged maximum capacity, this would not work properly with cutting tph on all three express lines. Turning it on the local won't be good either, as the relay/fumigation procedures at Continental are too slow, for the local service to function at maximum capacity. As much as I agree with your situation about surging population on Roosevelt Island that can't be adequately handled by the (F)--this is especially true during peak hours, which can be very crush-loaded at times--a more suitable solution would be work out something that doesn't compromise current service levels on the Queens Blvd. Line |
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Posted by (X) 2nd Avenue Local on Mon Jan 28 17:01:26 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by R30A on Fri Jan 25 09:40:35 2008. Not during rush-hours it doesn't, and that's where most of those Roosevelt Island residents frustration, in regard to a growing populaiton, is coming from. (F) trains, especially during the AM rush, are crushloaded. Being that I ride it everyday, I can attest to that. It not uncommon for many RI residents (or those at 21st Queensbridge for that matter--which, too has gotten busier ever since the (F) began operating through 63rd Street) to let more than one train to pass, before they can get on. |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by (X) 2nd Avenue Local on Mon Jan 28 17:31:17 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Jan 25 10:02:57 2008. The goal is to have relatively uncrowded trains to stop at Roosevelt Island during the rush hour. If trains ran all the way to 179th, they'd just want to start them there, which wouldn't solve the problem since by the time they reach R.I., they'd be crowded like the F trains.I understand your point, but there would be nowhere to turn the (Q) until at least Continental--which itself is not a good idea given teh way trains are turned there, and skipping Roosevelt Avenue is not an option given how busy that station is. So if this idea was done, it would more than likely originate/terminate at 179th Street, which can handle more than one line. The real issue is not whether or not the (F) can handle the increasing loads at Roosevelt Island, because it can, it just that it needs to do so at the most important times of the day--which is during peak hours, and that line is packed with passsengers from Forest Hills, Jackson Heights and transferees from the (7), and Q47, Q19B, Q33 and other buses that stop at Roosevelt Avenue, Jamaica, eastern Queens and western Nasssau County by the time trains reached Roosevelt Island. Trains headed southbound during the AM peak hours are especially bad for Roosevelt Island riders for on the (F), because they often have to wait for one to three trains on average to pass before there is room to get on, and the impatient ones would just push onto the train anyway. So it would be beneficial that the (Q) be extended to Jamaica as well. logic behind having increased capacity on the Queens Blvd express, is that the number of express commuters that use the (E) and (F) would be split three ways with the addition of the (Q). Riders wanting the express would now have three options instead of two, and Hillside Avenue riders--presuming the (Q) made all local stops like the (F) to/from Continental, would have two options, which in effect would cause the ridership on the (E) and (F) to drop, eliminating the crush-loads on those lines, now that the (Q) would be picking up some of those riders. And with two of those expresses serving 63rd Street, (F)and (Q), the issue regarding crush-loaded trains arriving and departing Roosevelt Island would be resolved But due to the timers and signal issues, and ultimately safety measures to maintain a safe distance between trains, it is nearly impossible to add an addtional route to the express, which is why MTA won't give this letter that the elected official signed that Rooseevelt Island 360 is referring to, any consideration. It's unfortunate given the operational and logistical limitations that this route extension can't be implemented, as Queens blvd line needs all the extra Manhattan service it can get. |
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Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by (X) 2nd Avenue Local on Mon Jan 28 17:48:21 2008, in response to Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Jan 25 21:39:47 2008. But the point here is not to involve new construction. what is needed is to increase the service levels on a line already serving Roosevelt Island that can't handle increased sservice levels because the line in question shares capacity with another line in Queens, and that the MTA imposed limitations on how much service can be run. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Jan 28 18:17:43 2008, in response to Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island, posted by (X) 2nd Avenue Local on Mon Jan 28 17:48:21 2008. From a previous message: "But the point here is not to involve new construction. what is needed is to increase the service levels on a line already serving Roosevelt Island that can't handle increased sservice levels because the line in question shares capacity with another line in Queens, and that the MTA imposed limitations on how much service can be run."The statement "that the MTA imposed limitations on how much service" implies something that is not true, the implication being that if the MTA just ran the service properly then we could fit 10,000 trains per hour on just two tracks. When the first original subways were built and opened in 1904, the signal and track systems were built to accommodate 30 trains per hour in each direction. That has been the standard that was used when the BMT and later the IND systems were created. Since all of this predates the MTA (not established until 1968) how logically is it some kind of "MTA imposed limitation"? Just face facts - there's only so many trains that can be carried down a set of tracks safely in a given period of time. If those trains are packed to the gills with riders, then those on the platforms waiting will have a tough time getting on board those packed trains. Plenty of riders along Lexington Avenue, and Queens find that they have to wait for a second train to come along because the trains are packed. The fact that the trains are crowded during the rush hours is not exactly late-breaking news. As already stated it was the tram about to be out for 9-months that started the discussion - so during the 9-month period establish bus service (maybe more Q102's) to nearby Queens stations. Mike |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 29 05:25:18 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by (X) 2nd Avenue Local on Mon Jan 28 17:01:26 2008. They need to start lobbying for a Queens SAS to start running into that tunnel. It was originally built for the (F) and a SAS service. |
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Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island/Super Express to Queens |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 29 05:57:18 2008, in response to Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island, posted by Michael549 on Mon Jan 28 18:17:43 2008. Perhaps these efforts by elected officials, provided they can be educated about the realities of not being able to expand service at Roosevelt Island's current station might give them major incentive to look for funding themselves to build a new tunnel on the northern end of Roosevelt Island that would lead into as I suggested 79th Street, with in Manhattan a new station at 79th Street and York-1st Avenues (which would address the needs of a lot of people on the UES who would be too far from either of the currently planned SAS stations) before joining the Q at 72nd/2nd and following the Q to Broadway (as noted the N would be how I do it with the W becoming the full-time Astoria service).Since it is clear that it would be next-to-impossible to add any additional trains onto the current Queens Blvd. lines (as evidenced by the G being cut back to Court Square), this new tunnel can eventually become the "super express" via a new tunnel that can go to at least Roosevelt Avenue (a new lower level under the QB tracks since it's been made clear the existing-but-never-used Roosevelt Avenue Station platform could not be used for such an operation), if not past there under the current QB lines to 71st-Continental as an express, and if possible, continuing under the current QB tracks to a terminal at Union Turnpike. This might be what those elected officials, if properly educated would need to look at doing in lobbying those necessary for more transit funds to build such stations. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 29 05:59:15 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by Roosevelt Island 360 on Mon Jan 28 12:44:29 2008. Which would be alieviated by adding an exit at 3rd avenue and 63rd street. |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by avid reader on Tue Jan 29 07:51:45 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by Roosevelt Island 360 on Mon Jan 28 12:44:29 2008. Yes, speaking of the escalators there. On the upper platform, work has been on going on the "up" escalator for several days.Why hasn't the direction of the down escalator been reversed to allow those going up some relief. avid |
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Re: 63rd Street (F) station |
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Posted by metropod on Tue Jan 29 08:01:18 2008, in response to Re: 63rd Street (F) station, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 29 05:59:15 2008. easyer said than done. the upper level is 80' down. |
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Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island/Super Express to Queens |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 29 10:34:38 2008, in response to Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island/Super Express to Queens, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 29 05:57:18 2008. The LION's Myrtle-Fifth Avenue Subway does use 79th Street to access Queens with a new service running the length of Northern Boulevard.ROAR |
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Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island/Super Express to Queens |
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Posted by metropod on Tue Jan 29 17:29:53 2008, in response to Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island/Super Express to Queens, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 29 10:34:38 2008. northern makes sense compared to underpining much of the QB main line. |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by Russ on Tue Jan 29 18:36:30 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 29 05:25:18 2008. They need to start lobbying for a Queens SAS to start running into that tunnel. It was originally built for the (F) and a SAS service.People might want to wait until Phase 3 is complete before they start lobbying for SAS/QB service. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jan 29 20:33:25 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by (X) 2nd Avenue Local on Mon Jan 28 17:01:26 2008. During the rush hours, the F STILL has a lot of capacity.RI Does not require any additional service. |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jan 30 03:06:26 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by Russ on Tue Jan 29 18:36:30 2008. They should start lobbying while Phase 3 is already underway so that it will be ready to take Queens trains from Day One. But yes, to many people in Queens and RI the whole SAS thing is still pretty abstract right now. |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jan 30 18:08:43 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by (X) 2nd Avenue Local on Mon Jan 28 17:01:26 2008. So you have to let one train pass by. Most likely it's late and its' follower is right behind it, with room for you to board! |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 30 18:11:31 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by (X) 2nd Avenue Local on Mon Jan 28 17:01:26 2008. It might only be, on average, one or two or three trains, if any, during that peak hour, that are crush loaded. So if people try to get on the subway at the same time every morning and find that they always or often have to let one train go by, then maybe they could try leaving a little bit earlier or later, if they can. |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Jan 30 20:01:16 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 30 18:11:31 2008. It might only be, on average, one or two or three trains, if any, during that peak hour, that are crush loaded.If that's the case, traffic counts can be done, and extra (F) trains put in from Jamaica yard on the local, timed to arrive at 21/Queensbridge right in front of the crush-loaded trains. IINM, there's capacity for them at least as far as Kings Highway. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Jan 30 20:01:21 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 30 18:11:31 2008. It might only be, on average, one or two or three trains, if any, during that peak hour, that are crush loaded.If that's the case, traffic counts can be done, and extra (F) trains put in from Jamaica yard on the local, timed to arrive at 21/Queensbridge right in front of the crush-loaded trains. IINM, there's capacity for them at least as far as Kings Highway. |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 30 23:54:17 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by Ken S. on Fri Jan 25 11:06:20 2008. No they won't. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jan 31 00:09:05 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 25 11:03:39 2008. Thank you very much. If the person really can't stand, the person shouldn't be riding the subway to begin with. |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jan 31 00:20:44 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 25 11:03:39 2008. BTW, the F doesn't need additional service, if you ask me. Are passengers absolutely forced to pass up trains because there is no room? NO!On some lines, this is the case, and more service does need to be run---if terminals can turn trains fast enough. |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by Ken S. on Thu Jan 31 00:22:43 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 30 23:54:17 2008. I was being sarcastic. But, I think getting the kids to school was an issue when the Tram was shut dowm. |
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Posted by Roosevelt Island 360 on Thu Jan 31 06:45:57 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by Ken S. on Thu Jan 31 00:22:43 2008. It still is.And contrary to current beliefs despite all these new buildings most of us do not own cars, are not rich, and yes not seeing my 5 year old squashed would be a nice thing but he does know standing for several stops (or letting one train go by) until we get to his public school will not kill him (despite a normal 5 year old protests). |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jan 31 07:19:59 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Jan 30 20:01:21 2008. That's actually a good idea. |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jan 31 11:02:18 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by Roosevelt Island 360 on Thu Jan 31 06:45:57 2008. Some of my son's classmates come everyday from Williamsburg, Bushwick and Maspeth on the even more crowded L train since they were Pre-K/K.They did either: Deal with it. Leave earlier and ride on the less crowded cars.(if you can find one) Sometimes drive. Leave even earlier and get to school for breakfast time (7:45). Now that they are first grade, the first choice seems to be popular. (Aahh, that extra minute of sleep!) A few of them moved to other parts of the city and/or transfered schools. You mentioned that the back of the train might be less crowded. Have you tried that yet? |
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Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island |
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Posted by Ken S. on Thu Jan 31 12:11:02 2008, in response to Re: Elected Officials Call for Extension of Q Line to Supplement Roosevelt Island, posted by Roosevelt Island 360 on Thu Jan 31 06:45:57 2008. Well, remember today's extremely overprotective parents who insist on holding their child's hand all through life. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 31 13:34:04 2008, in response to Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Jan 25 21:39:47 2008. If you reroute the N this way, what would you do with the Astoria El? DEMOLISH IT? :-) |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jan 31 14:56:24 2008, in response to Re: Supplementing Roosevelt Island, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 31 13:34:04 2008. No, I would NOT demolish the Astoria El:The W would become the full-time line on the Astoria El in this scenario, with the N eventually being the super express line that would start somewhere near the QB line and after Roosevelt Avenue or whereabouts run express to Roosevelt Island and then stop in Manhattan at 79th/York-1st Avenues before joining the Q to stop at 72nd/2nd before heading with the Q to the west side. |
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