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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Fri Feb 11 23:03:54 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by joe c on Fri Feb 11 22:59:51 2005. Believe it or not, the R142 and R143 are actually hard to drive, because the accel and braking are both point-based. There is 3-point accel, and 3-point braking. |
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Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46? (subway cars you NEVER thought of) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 11 23:08:04 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46? (subway cars you NEVER thought of), posted by VictorM on Fri Feb 11 22:50:00 2005. They can be most impressive. One of the things I did during my in between shifts layovers at Coney was hanging out in the shops and watching them tear them down, grind the wheels, replace them on the axles, pull motors and dozens of other truly remarkable things as part of the routine maintenance. What was difficult to fathom at first is that a pair of trucks is the majority of a subway car's operating weight. |
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Posted by joe c on Fri Feb 11 23:08:11 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Fri Feb 11 23:03:54 2005. And it looks so easy to drive the R142 and R143.til next time |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Fri Feb 11 23:09:24 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by joe c on Fri Feb 11 23:08:11 2005. It looks easy, but the 3-point braking makes it hard. On SMEE, the braking can be changed with a tap of the hand. |
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Posted by Mark W. on Fri Feb 11 23:09:31 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Fri Feb 11 21:27:05 2005. Yes. And I also have the controller part of an R-44 console (No buttons or guages) |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Fri Feb 11 23:10:25 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by Mark W. on Fri Feb 11 23:09:31 2005. Any photos? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 11 23:11:37 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46? (subway cars you NEVER thought of), posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Feb 10 19:16:14 2005. nycsubway.org musta been down at the time - both photos are there again - give it another shot. |
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Posted by Mark W. on Fri Feb 11 23:12:39 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Fri Feb 11 23:10:25 2005. Not at the moment. Funny thing is my R-44 controller is on loan to... You guessed it! The TA! It is at the training simulator at Livingston street on display. My R-46 console is buried. When I dig it out, I will take a pic. |
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Posted by joe c on Fri Feb 11 23:16:02 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Fri Feb 11 23:09:24 2005. I remember when i was going high school i took the J to Norwood Av.sometimes i would peek into the T/O's cab and see that the T/O dosen't have his hand on the controller and yet the train is still moving.is this feature found on the R32-R40? til next time |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Feb 11 23:18:50 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by Mark W. on Fri Feb 11 23:12:39 2005. Mark, you are a very generous person. Without your collection of MTH sets that you loaned to the TM, there would have been a scaled down version of the GC Holiday Train Show. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Fri Feb 11 23:30:11 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by joe c on Fri Feb 11 23:16:02 2005. Umm, I don't think there is any cab in which you can take your hand off the controller without the deadman taking effect. Unless the T/O stuffed something under/above the controller to weigh it down.... |
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Posted by Mark W. on Fri Feb 11 23:33:02 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Feb 11 23:18:50 2005. Thank you! It was nice to see them there. Nicer then in the boxes. |
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Posted by joe c on Fri Feb 11 23:40:28 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Fri Feb 11 23:30:11 2005. I don't know if the T/O put anything to weigh the controller down,but that is one thing i remember seeing on some R42's.think i even saw it on a redbird riding the 4 line one time.til next time |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Feb 11 23:47:08 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by Mark W. on Fri Feb 11 23:33:02 2005. I posted a thread on the train show a week before it was over. apparently you somehow missed that thread so i just saying it again. The sets caught my eagle eyes when you name was credited on most of the model trains. Loved the pre-GOH R32 cars |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Fri Feb 11 23:54:21 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by joe c on Fri Feb 11 23:40:28 2005. Broken handle, or glove wrapped around it or something. If you saw it, maybe he/she was stopping by putting it into emergency. But no train can operate without something holding the handle down (unless it's a R142/143 on which the handle must be twisted) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 12 00:00:16 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Fri Feb 11 23:54:21 2005. Single exception being arnines, where you could center your reverser key and let go. No other car class permitted that ... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 12 00:56:06 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Fri Feb 11 23:30:11 2005. Actually, you can do that to any NYCT subway car under the correct operating conditions! |
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Posted by #3 West End Jeff on Sat Feb 12 01:25:38 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 9 17:43:16 2005. The slant R-40s should be retired BEFORE the R-44s. The roofs are rusty and they leak. The R-40Ms and the R-42s are not much better.#3 West End Jeff |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 12 01:28:29 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 12 00:56:06 2005. Shhhhhh. You don't want spooks from DeeCee following you around now, do ya? That's prohibited knowledge in contravention of secret rule 12. :) |
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Posted by Metal Management INC on Sat Feb 12 01:48:21 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by MJF on Fri Feb 11 19:33:33 2005. If you recall it was not part of the console. It was an add on box atop the dashboard next to the boom mic. If I can get the video digitized, you will be able to see everything including the hostler. The side sign buttons did work to the end if you coded in "21" and pushed start. The signs would roll the newer strip maps to the end and stop since the original maps were coded to stop upon reaching the terminals keyed in on the console. |
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Posted by MJF on Sat Feb 12 07:36:09 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by Metal Management INC on Sat Feb 12 01:48:21 2005. I remember. It was a good place to wedge in a cup of coffee. :-)BTW if you need a piece of plastic to wedge into the dead-man on the hostler I know where you can get one... |
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Posted by Eric B on Sat Feb 12 09:23:10 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by Mark W. on Fri Feb 11 23:12:39 2005. This is an original P-wire controller, and not the current Westcode, you're talking about, right? Because it was seeing all the old controllers at Livingston (including an old Celeston from a trolley!); I was hoping they would have an original 44/46 control panel, but didn't see any, and wondered why; and it was then I began wondering if any were saved anywhere.But then you did say it was on loan. Did you loan it to them, like in the last year? (I was last there a year ago for my refresher). |
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Posted by Eric B on Sat Feb 12 09:31:57 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by joe c on Fri Feb 11 23:16:02 2005. Are you sure it wasn't the brake handle you saw him not holding? Since that is what is moved back and forth more than the actual controller, I could see where someone might think that was the controller. |
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Posted by Eric B on Sat Feb 12 09:34:39 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Fri Feb 11 23:09:24 2005. I don't see it as any harder. I don;t recognize any particular "points" either; it i just a gradual slide. |
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Posted by Broadway Junction on Sat Feb 12 09:50:49 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by joe c on Fri Feb 11 23:16:02 2005. Between where and where? It could be possible he put the reverser in neutral and coasted, somehow, if that's even possible...Wierdest thing I've ever seen was an M train moving forward with its taillights on. But it was slowing down, and eventually came to a stop. Hmmm...could be that the T/O you saw was applied the minimum possible brake and put the reverser in neutral. But I have NFC why they would do that... |
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Posted by Broadway Junction on Sat Feb 12 09:54:41 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by Mark W. on Fri Feb 11 23:12:39 2005. Which building on Livingston? |
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Posted by joe c on Sat Feb 12 10:35:58 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by Eric B on Sat Feb 12 09:31:57 2005. I know which is the brake handle and which is the controller.and it was the controller that was held down without the T/O holding it down.til next time |
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Posted by Eric B on Sat Feb 12 11:03:32 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by joe c on Sat Feb 12 10:35:58 2005. Well, I guess it is possible. I know that to this day; there are some 46 and 68 handles (both variations of NYAB) that while in full service; if you take your hand off slowly, it will stay "stuck" down. When dumping (out of full service) it doesn't seem to work; so that is why it was not a cause of alarm for me. And I guess in the past; they were not as safety-strict[ so stuff like that may have been more likely to go unchecked. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Feb 12 12:38:14 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by Broadway Junction on Sat Feb 12 09:50:49 2005. Even if the reverser is in neutral, the deadman still applies. Also, if any power is being applied, the reverser cannot be changed AFAIK. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Feb 12 12:39:02 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by Eric B on Sat Feb 12 09:34:39 2005. Hmm, from what I've been told by people who have driven it, it's just a 3-notch brake handle. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Feb 12 12:42:04 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 12 00:56:06 2005. Ummm, how? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 12 14:25:23 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by MJF on Sat Feb 12 07:36:09 2005. Probably not ... he was SO good in motors, he moved on to a non-MTA railroad. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 12 14:28:15 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by Eric B on Sat Feb 12 11:03:32 2005. And plunger springs have been known to break as well. Still find it hard to accept though unless the plunger was actively defeated ... |
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Posted by MJF on Sat Feb 12 14:48:38 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 12 14:25:23 2005. Bah! He should have stuck it out here with us slugs. No stamina. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 12 15:07:56 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by MJF on Sat Feb 12 14:48:38 2005. BLE has a better contract, ya know. :) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Feb 12 15:22:46 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 12 00:56:06 2005. Welcome back, Steve.I had the privilege of riding the Lex for 3 months last fall. Your trains run well, I love the R142's visual and audio information and your Yard is obviously on top of things. Keep up the good work! |
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Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46? (subway cars you NEVER thought of) |
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Posted by Jailhousedoc on Sat Feb 12 17:07:53 2005, in response to Re: Retirement Plans for R44/46? (subway cars you NEVER thought of), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 10 11:49:53 2005. That truck set from the Arnine is an arch-bar type, right ? I read someplace that The FRA has outlawed them on railroads involved in interstate commerce, so if a museum Arnine has to be moved somewhere away from NYC Subway rails, it would have to be on a flatbed truck or on a flatcar. Still, the piece is a marvel of work that did serious duty for years, and I really like the sound of those trains at high speed. |
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Posted by Mark W. on Sat Feb 12 17:11:23 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by Eric B on Sat Feb 12 09:23:10 2005. It has been there for a while. Not the whole console but the P-Wire controller. The Cineston controller is mine also (And has since been returned to me) It is from a CTA 6000 series car. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sat Feb 12 21:54:22 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Feb 12 15:22:46 2005. You rode Concourse R-68's on the Lex? Did you take a piece of shredded platform home as a souvenir? |
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Posted by joe c on Sat Feb 12 22:06:22 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by David of Broadway on Sat Feb 12 21:54:22 2005. He didn't say R68's on the Lex,he was talking about the R142.til next time |
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Posted by MJF on Sat Feb 12 22:14:40 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 12 15:07:56 2005. Oh don't I know it (ouch) :-) |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Feb 12 22:15:20 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by David of Broadway on Sat Feb 12 21:54:22 2005. Well... 15 years ago, R68s could almost fit on the lex... |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Feb 12 22:18:15 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by joe c on Sat Feb 12 22:06:22 2005. He didn't say R68's on the Lex,he was talking about the R142.Umm, yeah. You don't get it. He works at Concourse. Concourse doesn't maintain any A-Division cars, just B-Division R68's. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 12 22:20:22 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by David of Broadway on Sat Feb 12 21:54:22 2005. I suspect that he's just not familiar with "Dudeland" and doesn't know that A division is not only "over the fence" there, but also "shoot to maim" land if any B division guys are caught on the wrong side of the border. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 12 22:22:15 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by MJF on Sat Feb 12 22:14:40 2005. Heh. He's a buddy of mine. If he wants to elaborate and identify the road, I'll leave that up to him. But he actually FOUND "greener pastures." :) |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Feb 12 22:24:59 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 12 22:20:22 2005. IIRC, some idiots tried to put an R16 up on the Jerome and well, you know what happens... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 12 22:27:34 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Feb 12 22:24:59 2005. "But sir, it HAD a round window up front!". |
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Posted by joe c on Sat Feb 12 22:28:53 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Sat Feb 12 22:18:15 2005. They don't maintain them but they do store some.til next time |
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Posted by MJF on Sat Feb 12 22:32:48 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 12 22:22:15 2005. Not to worry. I know the suspect and I believe he knows me. Our paths have crossed before. |
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Posted by Mark W. on Sat Feb 12 22:36:37 2005, in response to Re: R44/46, posted by MJF on Sat Feb 12 22:32:48 2005. " Our paths have crossed before. "Now that is funny! |
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