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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 12 22:59:31 2007, in response to Staten Island Railway, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Wed Sep 12 07:58:54 2007. We need a Victory Boulevard subway
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Wed Sep 12 23:12:19 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 12 22:59:31 2007. That would never, ever happen in our lifetime..ever....as smart of an idea it is.Victory Blvd needs to be widened and have an LRT line built..as does Richmond Avenue. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Sep 13 00:00:21 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Wed Sep 12 20:57:11 2007. Frequent headways are a GOOD thing!And a 3-car LRV holds about the same number of people as a 3-car R160, but it will be a longer train. I'm not really advocating LRT. I agree that heavy rail is better, but if there were an opportunity to link Staten Island with NJ using light rail, then that would definitely be worth a look. I do agree with everyone that POP is the way to go. Some people will still ride for free, but on average they will pay enough in fines to make up for it. They would have to check tickets regularly at the onset and then less as people get used to paying. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Thu Sep 13 00:15:01 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Easy on Thu Sep 13 00:00:21 2007. Frequent headways are a GOOD thing!If the ferry could be replaced with something that offered frequent headways. Like a commuter rail subway, perhaps: 
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Sep 13 00:22:25 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Rail Blue on Thu Sep 13 00:15:01 2007. RER for New York! |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Sep 13 00:33:25 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Rail Blue on Thu Sep 13 00:15:01 2007. What an impressive map! Although...it does looks like New Jersey bought out Staten Island or something to that effect.*I have a couple of thoughts though.... -The line running across the Kill Van Kull would definitely have to be tunneled otherwise it wouldn't be able to connect at Elm Park..because it would be too high up lol.. -The commuter line running via Brookyln...excellent idea! But I think it should terminate at Fulton St..to give an actual use to the Fulton St Transit Center building, which many here feel is useless right now. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 13 00:35:10 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Rail Blue on Thu Sep 13 00:15:01 2007. Whose wacky map is that?The line in solid emerald green almost resembles one of the PRR's original plans to get into Penn Station via Staten Island and Brooklyn (branch off the NEC at Rahway). |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Thu Sep 13 00:43:21 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 13 00:35:10 2007. Whose wacky map is that?Just a few miscellaneous/crazy ideas I knocked together. The line in solid emerald green almost resembles one of the PRR's original plans to get into Penn Station via Staten Island and Brooklyn (branch off the NEC at Rahway). I didn't know that, but it just shows that it's reasonably useful route. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Sep 13 00:53:00 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Wed Sep 12 10:44:56 2007. According to the City Planning Department, the 2000 Census population figure for Staten Island is 443,728. The Census Bureau 2005 Estimates for Staten Island is 464,573. The City Planning Department population estimates for 2005 for Staten Island is 475,014. (Just why the DCP has a 10,000 person difference compared to the Census Bureau is a whole other story as explained in a PDF file.) |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Thu Sep 13 00:58:56 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Sep 13 00:33:25 2007. What an impressive map! Although...it does looks like New Jersey bought out Staten Island or something to that effect.Well, I stopped before adding through running with the Newark City Subway! -The line running across the Kill Van Kull would definitely have to be tunneled otherwise it wouldn't be able to connect at Elm Park..because it would be too high up lol.. I was thinking massive elevators... -The commuter line running via Brookyln...excellent idea! But I think it should terminate at Fulton St..to give an actual use to the Fulton St Transit Center building, which many here feel is useless right now. The glass egg would be well-used anyway: it would be the Downtown station for Staten Island and at least three counties of NJ. An extension to Midtown would only add even more ridership. Actually, you might have guessed that I wasn't really intending Grand Central to be a terminal, so the glass egg would be a major commuter rail station from both directions (whether the other direction should be MNCR or LIRR is an interesting issue). Of course this line fits quite nicely with the two obvious RER lines (across Penn station, and somehow connecting up Flatbush Avenue and Hoboken). Could even have an "I" system (cf the IRT's "H" system)! |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Thu Sep 13 01:13:55 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Sep 13 00:22:25 2007. RER for New York!Yep. It does feel a bit like cutting the Gordian knot... |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 13 01:14:35 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Lord Vader on Wed Sep 12 15:58:31 2007. That's just plain stupid, to get off at Tompkinsvillle and walk to the ferry. Not because of what that walk actually entails. In effect, it's simply farebeating. Every single aspect of farebeating is bad news for the city. I really don't enjoy being around folks who do it. I am rooting for those people to arrive at the ferry terminal only to hear the jolly toot of a boat already on its way. They don't deserve to enjoy the benefits of happenstance or otherwise smoothly functioning multimodal transit dynamics. Screw `em, man. And don't tell me they ain't making enough money to pay a couple bucks each way to get to work. Better to arrive on the job with the innate pride of accomplishment at getting there like a man should go to work than to contemplate the lameness of how you're a sneaky bastard and how you have to be a sniveling cheat just going to work.Seriously. We aren't talking about a lot of money here. It's not like rent or car insurance or credit card debt. It's bus fare, dammit. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 13 02:28:33 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 13 01:14:35 2007. Every single aspect of farebeating is bad news for the cityYeah . . . time to put that 50¢ fare back on the SI Ferry as well. (Believe it or not, I actually miss those old faithful turnstiles.) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Sep 13 08:10:44 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Sep 13 00:33:25 2007. "But I think it should terminate at Fulton St..to give an actual use to the Fulton St Transit Center building, which many here feel is useless right now."The Fulton Transit Center, glass egg or not, already has a full dance card and will fulfill a very useful function. And that "skepticism" (how many isd many - I don't think you've done a poll) is a little misplaced, bvecause SI residents are getting a nice new station at South Ferry that they are going to use, paid for with the same money that pays for FTC. So if I were you, I wouldn't complain so much. After all, legally they can't spend that money in Staten Island itself. But let's get real: If MTA announced it wanted to not only restore somne train service along the North Shore, but add rail service of some type (new line using subway equipment, or even LRT), in Staten Island, let's say perhaps a cross-Island line connecting North and South Shore and serving various neighborhoods - what would the reaction be? Would Molinari support it? Would neighborhood opinion leaders support it? Or would we see a lot of NIMBY whining and "over my dead body are you going to put a train here" kind of protest? I think SI has not had the kind of investment it should have in mass transit, but it's also my perception (and I'm willing to be wrong) that there are also a lot of hypocrites on the Island on this subject. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Sep 13 08:16:52 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Rail Blue on Thu Sep 13 00:15:01 2007. Ilike what you did there. I'd support constructing something like that. You draw very nicely, too. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Thu Sep 13 08:31:16 2007, in response to Re: Nice Idea! Staten Island Railway, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Sep 13 08:16:52 2007. Thanks! |
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Posted by Alex L. on Thu Sep 13 09:15:40 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 12 22:59:31 2007. With large hunks of Victory unusable for tunneling, what would be the point? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Sep 13 09:44:19 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Alex L. on Thu Sep 13 09:15:40 2007. It might take injection of suitable material, but is the ground THAT unstable?However, Victory Boulevard is good enough where you could easily have a streetcar line running the entire way to Travis (although you can have a few CSI short-turns). |
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Posted by Alex L. on Thu Sep 13 10:12:16 2007, in response to Re: Get Real; Staten Island Railway, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Sep 13 08:10:44 2007. But let's get real: If MTA announced it wanted to not only restore somne train service along the North Shore, but add rail service of some type (new line using subway equipment, or even LRT), in Staten Island, let's say perhaps a cross-Island line connecting North and South Shore and serving various neighborhoods - what would the reaction be?You're asking the wrong group of people. Counting myself, I believe we have four Islanders here on a regular basis. Personally, I live about a mile from the tracks, so restoration of service wouldn't do me much good even if they put a station in the ConEd parking lot between Bard and Davis. Anyway - go ask your questions here http://www.silive.com/forums/transit/ and see what kind of answers you get and then let us know. And for those who thought I would let him get away with it... The Fulton Transit Center... will fulfill a very useful function. Which is .. what exactly? SI residents are getting a nice new station at South Ferry that they are going to use Everyone is getting a nice new station and everyone will use it (well almost everyone - I work at Brooklyn Bridge and need a 4 or 5, so it doesn't do me any good at all) because there is no choice in the matter. So if I were you, I wouldn't complain so much It's a New yorker's God-given right to complain. A new station at South Ferry doesn't do much for the 'average' Staten Islander (470,000 people with 32,500 daily round trips on the ferry gives us about 15% of residents who would use it at most (and that assumes that every ferry trip is made by an Islander and they all use the new station)). |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Sep 13 10:20:07 2007, in response to Re: Get Real; Staten Island Railway, posted by Alex L. on Thu Sep 13 10:12:16 2007. Your link didn't work.I didn't get away with anything regarding FTC. If you prefer not to use the new facility, by all means don't. In fact, I invite you to stand in front of it with a sign in your hand and urge other people not to use it. The rest of us will appreciate the new facility for what it is - a better way for everyone to access the subway downtown. "A new station at South Ferry doesn't do much for the 'average' Staten Islander (470,000 people with 32,500 daily round trips on the ferry gives us about 15% of residents who would use it at most" Isn't it inconveniebnt for you that those "atypical" Staten Islanders whose jobs in Manhattan help pay mortgages and keep up the property values where you live just couldn't disappear? It would make it easuer for you to get away with your whining. 8-) |
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Posted by Russ on Thu Sep 13 13:01:01 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Sep 13 09:44:19 2007. It might take injection of suitable material, but is the ground THAT unstable?Why are there issues with potentially building a subway under Victory Boulevard? |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Sep 13 13:04:57 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Andrew Kirschner on Wed Sep 12 13:17:19 2007. From a previous message:"Really only very few (and very specific) trips involve ONLY the SIR train. The density along most of the line doesn't really support it. Shame about that North Shore line, though! That would get more use." Here is the situation - the SIR (except for the rush hours) runs trains on a schedule of 30 and 60 minutes, normally. Meaning for most riders that is a long wait between trains, and it helps to know the schedule of trains. Such a schedule may be tolerable when you happen to not frequently visit a place, but can be intolerable if it is your only means of transportation. About 75% of the households on Staten Island have cars - meaning those folks have some choices about their transportation methods. Many folks use the buses on Staten Island to get where they need to be. Many of the buses on Staten Island regularly run on a 20 minute, 30 minute or 60 minute schedule - meaning that one is often left waiting for the bus. And this is if you happen to be staying on the island - getting off the island is a whole other argument. The basic point is that those who have cars and can use them will use them for trips that are soley Staten Island based, over the use of the bus or SIR - all things being equal. Some folks (especially transit fans) know that the only way to get better transportation options or facilities - is to show that the transit facilities are being used. Since all public transit is subsidized - those who pay for it prefer to know that the systems are used by riders. If no riders use the systems - why bother running them, which means that if there no trains - no riders. Yes, it becomes a vicious cycle leading to no service, and removed transit. Its an old story but a true one. So on Staten Island we have a situation where some folks who can confine their trips to only the SIR stations except St. George - get a free ride to their destination. If the destination happens to be close to the SIR, as well as close to their home. Gee - you would think that situation was the greatest crime of the century - with the frequent calls for POP payment systems, MVM's to be installed, etc. - that just have to be installed "now" according to the writers. Every few months this issue comes up again, and again it has to be explained. It is simple - the MTA is going for the least maintenance situation possible. Considering the frequency of service - 30 and 60 minute trains (except rush hours of course), the fact that there are people in the seats is a GOOD thing. We should support such activities, because if the trains were empty - eventually they would stop running the trains! During the city's fiscal crisis in 1975, Mayor Koch stopped running the ferries (then on a 30 minute midnight schedule) from midnight to 6am in the mornings - due to all of the blaring headlines in the newspapers and television news-shows that screamed that the ferries were "empty" at those hours. The television cameras would pan around the boats showing rows of empty seats and much fewer riders (than the rush hours). Even though there were plenty of Staten Islanders were taking the ferry, the amounts did not "fill" the large boats. Of course this act brought many hardships for late night ferry users, but the leadership said - "well there's one bus to/from Brooklyn". This stoppage lasted for six months, and when the ferries resumed, the boats ran hourly during the midnight hours and major parts of the weekends. So on Staten Island, we have a situation where the buses, SIR and ferries run every 30 and 60 minutes (except of course rush hours), and yes some buses run every 20 minutes. In the real world - this means that if one misses a bus, SIR train or Ferry - that person is LATE by 30 minutes or more to their destination. Of course this does not take into account bus, SIR and ferry delays and problems. About 20% to 25% of the households on Staten Island do not have cars (for whatever reasons) - the public transit that exists however intolerable schedule wise - is all they have to work with. It took the city 35 years to make a schedule adjustment so that those who work on weekend mornings have a boat every 30 minutes, and during the weekday night the hourly schedule begins at 1am. Butts in the seats show that the systems are being used, therefore it gets funding, if no butts - no funding - the riders suffer. Mike |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 13 15:37:43 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Sep 13 00:33:25 2007. ...Although...it does looks like New Jersey bought out Staten Island or something to that effect.Sell it to them! Or, rather, trade it for Jersey City and Hoboken. They're more a part of New York than Staten Island! |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Sep 13 15:42:10 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 13 15:37:43 2007. From a previous message:"Sell it to them! Or, rather, trade it for Jersey City and Hoboken. They're more a part of New York than Staten Island!" There's no need to insult us Staten Islanders! I am sure that Staten Island if sold would fetch a higher price than Newark! (smile) Mike |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 13 15:45:34 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Michael549 on Thu Sep 13 15:42:10 2007. Heh. We don't want Newark! They can keep it! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 13 16:32:11 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Sep 12 14:29:25 2007. It's a pip dream for nowIf a pipe dream is a long shot, then a pip dream is something you can have Great Expectations for. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Sep 13 16:39:47 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 13 16:32:11 2007. LOL |
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Posted by Alex L. on Thu Sep 13 16:47:06 2007, in response to Re: Get Real; Staten Island Railway, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Sep 13 10:20:07 2007. Your link didn't work.Frames problem. However, had you clicked on the "Forums" link at the top of the "Oops" page, you would have gotten to where I was sending you. Try this - http://www.silive.com, then click on "Forums", then click on "Transit". I didn't get away with anything regarding FTC Never said you did - that remark was aimed at people other than you. You, on the other hand, were supposed to answer the question. So, we'll try again: Your original quote - The Fulton Transit Center... will fulfill a very useful function. My response - Which is .. what exactly? Now you get to respond. Isn't it inconveniebnt for you that those "atypical" Staten Islanders whose jobs in Manhattan help pay mortgages and keep up the property values where you live just couldn't disappear? It would make it easuer for you to get away with your whining. 8-) I am the "atypical" Staten Islander in my area. My wife and I are the ONLY people on our block that work in Manhattan. |
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Posted by Alex L. on Thu Sep 13 16:53:03 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Sep 13 09:44:19 2007. I was thinking more along the line of the water tunnel that runs under a section of Victory between the coast and Forest Ave, coupled with the fact that in some places Victory is barely wide enough for the on-surface street (one lane of moving traffic in each direction and one lane of parking on each side with a 5 foot wide sidewalk). |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 13 18:05:17 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Alex L. on Thu Sep 13 16:53:03 2007. Victory is barely wide enough for the on-surface street (one lane of moving traffic in each direction and one lane of parking on each side with a 5 foot wide sidewalk).THAT is hardly a Victory, if you ask me! 1) Eliminate the parking 2) Install LRVs ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 13 18:05:31 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Alex L. on Thu Sep 13 16:53:03 2007. Victory is barely wide enough for the on-surface street (one lane of moving traffic in each direction and one lane of parking on each side with a 5 foot wide sidewalk).THAT is hardly a Victory, if you ask me! 1) Eliminate the parking 2) Install LRVs ROAR |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Sep 13 18:38:51 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Rail Blue on Wed Sep 12 20:49:10 2007. Connect SIRT to SAS! |
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Posted by DOB2RTO on Thu Sep 13 18:50:26 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by R30A on Thu Sep 13 18:38:51 2007. You don't how many times I posted that. Where the line ends in southern Manhattan, just dig under the narrows, and connect the SIR with the SAS. One of our fellow posters stated it would be good for S.I., but would bring in "unwanted folks". |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Sep 13 18:53:08 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by DOB2RTO on Thu Sep 13 18:50:26 2007. Unwanted by a few loudmouths who pretend to speak for everyone else. As usual.Like IUpointed out before - hypocrites. |
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Posted by DOB2RTO on Thu Sep 13 19:03:36 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Sep 13 18:53:08 2007. Agreed. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Sep 13 19:12:27 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by DOB2RTO on Thu Sep 13 18:50:26 2007. Via brooklyn would likely be the most feasable route. (also gives service to Red Hook) |
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Posted by DOB2RTO on Thu Sep 13 19:26:56 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by R30A on Thu Sep 13 19:12:27 2007. Well that way it can pick up more fare paying customers. No matter how it's done, it should be connected, to the SIR.As for the SAS, at the northern end, I still believe it should run up 3rd Ave. in the Bx then up Webster/Bronx River Rd, to 238st/Nereid Ave.. They could build an access tunnel to the D line at 205st, so the SAS could access the Concourse Yard also. It would take ALOT of money and commitment, for this to happen, so it's just a thought. Besides I don't know if the ridership is there for that. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Thu Sep 13 19:27:30 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 13 18:05:17 2007. And what do you think the frontagers will think of that? |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Thu Sep 13 19:37:53 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by DOB2RTO on Thu Sep 13 18:50:26 2007. Connecting the SIR to a Subway trunk route is ultimately a bit of a waste. It runs short trains on long headways over a two-track line with lots of stops with fairly evenly spread ridership, ending at an outer terminal from which it is virtually impossible to extend the line in search of more ridership. Or, in other words, the subway trains could only ever be viable north of St George, depending on people transferring from beese and (potentially) both rail lines. Hence my rather strange attempt to design an extremely busy commuter rail line. |
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Posted by DOB2RTO on Thu Sep 13 19:45:05 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Rail Blue on Thu Sep 13 19:37:53 2007. They can redo the entire SIR, stations and all. If they want the trains to fit, they would. Nothing is impossible. The commuter rail line is nice, but on is an extension of a project already underway. |
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Posted by DOB2RTO on Thu Sep 13 19:45:47 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by DOB2RTO on Thu Sep 13 19:45:05 2007. Meant but one. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Sep 13 19:55:25 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Sep 12 11:39:19 2007. They do. I have friend who now is a token booth agent, but before was a checker, and she told me of blitzes in which every train and car had checkers counting customers entering and exiting the train.She hated it because in the winter it was very cold and she got stuck with overnight counts, which she said was at times very boring. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Sep 13 21:14:18 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by R30A on Thu Sep 13 19:12:27 2007. It may be the cheapest route but it certainly would not be feasible. The ride through Brooklyn is unbearably long. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Sep 13 21:23:45 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by R30A on Thu Sep 13 18:38:51 2007. Why would you want to do that? The current SIR line would need to be demapped and rebuilt from the ground up in order to get some form of a 8-10 car subway line on it.I think the (1) line is the best candidate for an extension to SI..as the new SF Terminal will be a deep-level station and will have the set-up for a future extension...with it's tail tracks that extend in a southerly direction. The SIR can stay segregated as it is now, and have the people transfer to/from the bus lines, SIR and subway line at around Tompkinsville or St. George. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 13 21:42:37 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Rail Blue on Thu Sep 13 19:27:30 2007. I didn't *ask* them what they would think about that, but I suspect that they would be delighted to have all of that extra traffic generated by the LRVs. Certainly more people could arrive by LRV than can park out front in an automobile. Besides, don't the have any off-street parking anywhere, perhaps behind the buildings or something.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 13 21:48:36 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Sep 13 21:14:18 2007. So is the ride under the harbor. Five MILES under the harbor to be exact. A direct routing via Brooklyn would be 8 miles and if built as an express over the BQE ROW would not need to make more than one downtown Brooklyn stop, but would be much more pheseable. It *could* ALSO handle freight, although that would require wavers, better equipment or both.ROAR |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Sep 13 22:00:04 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Michael549 on Thu Sep 13 13:04:57 2007. IAWTP, you've covered many of my personal views on the issues very nicely.I think there's quite a few problems with the SI Ferry nowadays besides the sporadic scheduling. -The boats are too big... The Barberi-class seems to be the staple of this..as if you ever happen to ride the Newhouse/Barberi during the middle of the rush hour, you'll probably notice that's there's probably a 1000 seats left empty. With the Molinari-class, the 3rd floor is usually devoid of people. Although OTOH, the Kennedy-class seems to have the most balance in terms of ridership due to the less amount of seats available. The Austen-class fleet seem to make the most sense and would be perfect if the SI Ferry was solely a commuter route. We have these giant boats coming in every 15, 20, 30, and 60 minutes and only half of the boat gets filled, when what we really need is smaller trains traveling back and forth between SI and Manhattan with more frequent headways. -Speeds... I can never understand how it's now 102 years later since it began, and the SI Ferry is still running at the same slow speeds..and it's still taking a whole 30 minutes to make a 5 mile journey.  -Scheduling... B&O used to run 7-8 boats simultaneously during the peak of the rush hour with 8-10 headways...what I'm wondering is where did that go wrong? |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Thu Sep 13 22:06:50 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Sep 13 21:14:18 2007. It may be the cheapest route but it certainly would not be feasible. The ride through Brooklyn is unbearably long.The ride through Brooklyn is only unbearably long currently because: 1) the VNB is a long way south 2) the buses go to 86th St station 3) this makes a few local stops on the R train inevitable 4) then the route to Downtown Manhattan runs via DeKalb and involves even more local stops |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Sep 13 22:12:57 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Sep 13 21:23:45 2007. To eliminate the transfer obviously!The entire SIRT wouldnt be an issue, you could connect to what exists fairly quickly... Also, the 1 would be one of the worst lines to extend-- The 1 is already pretty busy from Chambers on north, No need to focus the SI riders on it even more. The SAS line would likely be more sensible, a B division width line, with what will likely be a comparatively less used south end. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Thu Sep 13 22:22:38 2007, in response to Re: Staten Island Railway, posted by Rail Blue on Thu Sep 13 22:06:50 2007. I'm looking more of the fact that the BMT lines are so slow in Brookyln. Riding a (D) or (N) train would only save you a few seconds over a local (R) or (M) train. There's simply too many slow points along 4th Avenue and if this extension to SI was to run via Whitehall, that would be a nightmare as the line is slow from Canal St down to Pacific St in Brooklyn. |
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