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Posted by E Line Fan on Wed Aug 22 20:27:37 2007 I do miss the old double (E)lizabeth, the BMT version of the IND single (E)lizabeth. Local but a good service, the (EE) ran from 71st Avenue to Whitehall Street during normal hours. The (EE) had a neat color bullet and was the way to get from/to 67th Avenue and Queens Boulevard. Great when it ran R1-R9s. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Aug 22 21:35:39 2007, in response to Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by E Line Fan on Wed Aug 22 20:27:37 2007. I liked it better when it ran R-16 - the pre-war stuff was often a mix of the high-number R-4 and the Jamaica R stock that was often bad order. These cars broke down frequently. By the time they made the switcheroo at the end of 1969 the R-4s had gone bye bye (or back to Coney for the "CC" and "D") and the remaining R's blended in with their brethren on the "E" and "F". Of course, we'd always get lucky and catch an R40M on the "EE" - with Brake Test car numbers like CB22, CB23, AS18, AS19 &c and a gorgeous bright orange bulkhead sign.wayne |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Aug 22 22:25:34 2007, in response to Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by E Line Fan on Wed Aug 22 20:27:37 2007. I agree. I've had a nostalgia for this line since it was eliminated in 1976. However, if we think about it, there's even better service now:1) There's the W, which is basically the EE routed to Astoria rather than Forest Hills. (I bet if the EE had survived until the 1985 elimination of double letters, it would have been the W) 2) There's the V, a weekday, Queens Blvd local, with an orange bullet, just like the EE. 3)Finally, there is now QB local service to 6th Ave AND Broadway. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Wed Aug 22 22:49:23 2007, in response to Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by E Line Fan on Wed Aug 22 20:27:37 2007. You mean like this? CB33 ex 4331  R-16 6306 I never rode the (EE) but I do have an R-16 Rollsign with it! |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Aug 22 23:33:26 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by JBar387 on Wed Aug 22 22:49:23 2007.  EEat your heart out. Please aim it away from the computer, OK? ;) The EE was long gone when this pic was taken. R-46 1146 probably hadn't even been built yet. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Aug 22 23:35:22 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Aug 22 23:33:26 2007. I meant #1126. Thow thorry. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Aug 22 23:39:35 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by JBar387 on Wed Aug 22 22:49:23 2007. I kind of like this one.... wayne |
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Posted by JBar387 on Wed Aug 22 23:43:26 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Aug 22 23:33:26 2007. EE was still around when the R-46 rolled back in 1976. Don't know if R-46's ever rolled on that line. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Aug 22 23:51:44 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by JBar387 on Wed Aug 22 23:43:26 2007. That was not what I said.The photo was taken in 1981. The horrible, too-bright blue belt and lack of bandit mask were not on the stock in '76. The 1100s didn't enter revenue service until after the EE was gone. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Wed Aug 22 23:55:19 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Aug 22 23:51:44 2007. Ah ok, My Bad! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 23 03:53:16 2007, in response to Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by E Line Fan on Wed Aug 22 20:27:37 2007. It lives on. Instead of terminating at Whitehall St it continues to 95th St. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 23 08:05:13 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Aug 22 23:39:35 2007. A double-eeewwwwwww.:) |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Aug 23 08:16:33 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Aug 22 22:25:34 2007. If the V was running in the early IND days, it would be called the FF. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 23 09:33:56 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Aug 23 08:16:33 2007. Yes indeed. The FF is the only original IND letter code that was never used. DD was used temporarily during a 1962 water main break along 6th Ave. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Aug 23 11:12:40 2007, in response to Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by E Line Fan on Wed Aug 22 20:27:37 2007. They Should NEVER have gotten rid of the double letters.(EE) (GG) (QB) (QT) (AA) (BB) (CC) (QRXT) ROAR |
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Posted by avid reader on Thu Aug 23 13:25:02 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Aug 23 11:12:40 2007. HHAVID |
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Posted by G1RavagesDad on Thu Aug 23 14:41:11 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Aug 22 23:33:26 2007. Wow.....looks weird nowadays to see that 1126 number plate on a 75 footer! :-) |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Aug 23 18:37:17 2007, in response to Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by E Line Fan on Wed Aug 22 20:27:37 2007. The EE actually ran M-F from 6am to 8pm between Forest Hills and Whitehall Street. There were additional trains during the rush hours to and from Canal Street. The original equpitment was R-1/9 which did have EE signs but read 8th Avenue Local. The cars that I remember best on this line were the R-16s.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 23 20:13:33 2007, in response to Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by E Line Fan on Wed Aug 22 20:27:37 2007. A lot of people missed the EE back then - when the last scheduled train of the day didn't come and they couldn't get from Broadway to Queens Blvd that evening any more without multiple changes of trains. |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Thu Aug 23 20:20:55 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Aug 23 18:37:17 2007. The R16s were neat with their round windows. After Queens Plaza the (EE) and the (F) connected once more at 34th Street-Herald Square. |
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Posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Thu Aug 23 20:57:56 2007, in response to Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by E Line Fan on Wed Aug 22 20:27:37 2007. Linda Ronstadt once sang "I laid my head on the railroad tracks, waitin' on the Double-E. But that train don't run by here no more, poor, poor, pitiful me." |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Aug 23 21:47:42 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Aug 23 11:12:40 2007. I suppose if today's service pattern were to use double letters, the W would be the "NN" and the V would be the "FF"...Of course the C would be the CC, the R the RR, the G, etc... |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Thu Aug 23 22:07:39 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by avid reader on Thu Aug 23 13:25:02 2007. (SS) (TT) *Elizabeth Is Cute!* |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Fri Aug 24 01:41:40 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by E Line Fan on Thu Aug 23 22:07:39 2007. You weren't "CC 8th Av Local" or some such a while back, were you? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Aug 24 02:39:34 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 23 09:33:56 2007. It's interesting that the MTA considered the (EE) an IND line since they could have also called it the (NN). Since Manhattan trunk lines tend to be more prominent then those in the other boros, I consider the old (EE) to have been a BMT line. It would have been yellow on today's maps. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 24 09:42:39 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by SMAZ on Fri Aug 24 02:39:34 2007. There was an EE back in the 30s for a brief period of time. |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Sat Aug 25 01:00:11 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 24 09:42:39 2007. There was? |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Sat Aug 25 01:15:04 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by SMAZ on Fri Aug 24 02:39:34 2007. I always thought the (EE) was B.M.T. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sat Aug 25 01:30:55 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by JBar387 on Wed Aug 22 23:43:26 2007. Does anyone have any info if R-46 EE trains ever actually ran? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Aug 25 02:02:17 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by E Line Fan on Sat Aug 25 01:15:04 2007. I think that the MTA considered the (EE) the local version of the (E) much in the same way that the (AA) was the local for the (A). They were designating it in relation to the Express service on Queens Blvd rather then in Manhattan where it would have instead been called the (NN). |
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Posted by Eric B on Sat Aug 25 10:30:35 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by E Line Fan on Sat Aug 25 01:00:11 2007. That supposedly was just a special E that ran localb in Queens. Like today's E at night. It was probably to help out the GG, which was the only local. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sat Aug 25 11:05:11 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by MainR3664 on Sat Aug 25 01:30:55 2007. AFAIK they did not. Queens Blvd's 46s were exclusively for the E & F until the N came to town in August, 1976. This doesn't mean none ever ran in EE service, just that it was not the normal practice. EE had arnines when they were still around, and 16/27/30/40m/42. I am not aware of 32/38/slants being used regularly, if at all. |
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Posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Sat Aug 25 13:08:24 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sat Aug 25 11:05:11 2007. I do have a picture which I can dig out of the R46s in GG service at Smoth 9th. I know that is not as rare, but it did happen. It might have been on a weekend. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sat Aug 25 14:20:22 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Sat Aug 25 13:08:24 2007. Before August 1976, when the 46s finally were flooding revenue service, they were seldom seen on routes where Continental or 179 weren't the north terminal. Finding 44s or 46s on the GG wouldn't have been at all odd (though it was mainly 40s/42s at that point), being the F was it's CWPF.For whatever reason, TPTW avoided sending 46s down Broadway before the 8/76 service changes sent the N to Continental, or up CPW for that matter. Going by that, it is not likely 46s ran in EE service on anything other than a special case basis. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sat Aug 25 14:53:31 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sat Aug 25 11:05:11 2007. Thank You. This more or less confirms my somewhat foggy memories. I was 8 in 1976.As I remember 1975-78 {and I generally only rode the subway weekends back then, so I don't think I EVER actually rode the EE :( }, the 46s started on the F, then spread to the E, and finally to the GG. Immediately prior to the deployment of the 46s, the E & F used Slants and a very occasional R1/9, the GG used 16/27/30s (indistinguishable to my child eyes, sorry) and 40M/42s, which I also couldn't tell apart back then. But since I liked the 46s back then, and my adopted "grandma" rode the EE (and her name was Karen!), I was sad to learn the EE and K trains died the same day. I hoped back then they'd bring back the EE, with 46s. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 25 17:27:35 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sat Aug 25 11:05:11 2007. From what I remember..the EE was R16 country...with a few other models thrown in..[mostly anything Jamaica yard had EXCEPT the brand new R44/46] |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Sat Aug 25 19:11:41 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 25 17:27:35 2007. In the 1970's cars ran everywhere. If one stood for a time at 67th Avenue, one could see nearly everything IND/BMT from R1-9 through R40 Slant. It was a great era. :) |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Sat Aug 25 20:08:15 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by SMAZ on Sat Aug 25 02:02:17 2007. I see. One other oddity was the (QB) which ran Broadway Express but orignally meant 'Q via Bridge'. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Aug 25 20:50:45 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by E Line Fan on Sat Aug 25 20:08:15 2007. Yes. I don't know why they didn't drop the "B" in (QB) until the 80s. Had they designated the (EE) as the local in relation to that service it would have been the (QBQB). |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 25 23:46:57 2007, in response to Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by E Line Fan on Wed Aug 22 20:27:37 2007. Well, isn't that special. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Sun Aug 26 07:32:37 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by E Line Fan on Sat Aug 25 20:08:15 2007. I see. One other oddity was the (QB) which ran Broadway Express but orignally meant 'Q via Bridge'.But it was a Brighton Local. Pre-Chrystie, there was also a (Q) [at least in theory], which was a Brighton Express via Bridge. |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Sun Aug 26 12:04:50 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by Rail Blue on Sun Aug 26 07:32:37 2007. The (Q) was not just theory, it was very much in practice pre-Chrystie from the time of the arrival of the Brightliners in late 1964. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 26 16:36:37 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by Rail Blue on Sun Aug 26 07:32:37 2007. Not a "theory"..but fact..The original Q was replaced in Brooklyn by the D 6TH AVENUE EXPRESS/BRIGHTON EXPRESS. |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Sun Aug 26 20:46:44 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by Rail Blue on Sun Aug 26 07:32:37 2007. A little interesting history. The extension of the letters began in 1960 with the R27. Q was given the honor and logically (Q) would be the express and (QQ) would designate a local. However, QQ quickly became (QB) and (QT). Literally, Q via Bridge and Q via Tunnel. Neat huh? According to Mr. Joseph Brennan's page the (QB) ran 1960-1985, the (QT) ran 1960-1967, the (Q) ran 1964-1967 and since 1986 and the (QJ) ran 1967-1976. I read in Wikipedia that the (QJ) was created by merging the (J) and (QT) routes. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 27 08:32:23 2007, in response to The (Q) and the (QQ) Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by E Line Fan on Sun Aug 26 20:46:44 2007. The QJ became the J in 1973, when it was permanently cut back to Broad St. I know, the Curly only operates to Chambers St. on weekends now. |
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Posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Mon Aug 27 10:20:29 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sat Aug 25 14:20:22 2007. CWPF--close, warm personal friend.I first heard that term on the Z Morning Zoo in 1984, and they would usually add "...and running partner" TPTW? |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Mon Aug 27 11:06:16 2007, in response to The (Q) and the (QQ) Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by E Line Fan on Sun Aug 26 20:46:44 2007. QQ looks weird. |
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Posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Mon Aug 27 11:31:41 2007, in response to Re: The (Q) and the (QQ) Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by Rail Blue on Mon Aug 27 11:06:16 2007. You almost could have had that line sponsored by NASDAQ. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 27 12:20:15 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Aug 23 08:16:33 2007. I have my IND signbox set right now for an FF between Queens-Forest Hills and HOuston-2nd Ave. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Mon Aug 27 12:35:03 2007, in response to Re: Say, I Miss The (EE)!, posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Mon Aug 27 10:20:29 2007. We used it in the 60s in SF. |
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