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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Jul 3 07:02:19 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by American Pig on Tue Jul 3 03:01:31 2007. Did you go to the CC LOCAL school of Subway message board posting?At least the professor wasn't SUBWAY CAMPER.... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 10:54:26 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect - TEXT, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 3 00:24:20 2007. No. It left Queens Plaza even less crowded than a V does. The problem is not the V, it's the idiots in Queens who still cling to the E and F to get to the same stations served by the V in Manhattan. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 10:56:15 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 3 00:23:02 2007. Yes, it says they're fucking idiots. The E and F should skip Roosevelt Ave during rush hours. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 10:57:25 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 2 20:17:46 2007. Deny them that ability by having the E and F skip Roosevelt Ave. during rush hours. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 3 10:58:52 2007, in response to The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by E Line Fan on Mon Jul 2 11:15:51 2007. Send it to Metropolitan. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 10:59:38 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 20:49:49 2007. Leave 5 minutes earlier. It's amazing how people perceive time both on and off a subway. People waste more time taking a morning shower than they are willing to waste on a commute. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 11:00:48 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 21:43:09 2007. If you've already got a 90 minute commute, what's the difference between that and a 95-100 minute commute? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 11:03:35 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 21:59:34 2007. The average non-foamer simply wants a train that will take them to their destination as quickly as possible. They have a choice between that and a slower but far more comfortable ride. That the idiots who use the Queens Blvd IND choose the former is not the fault of the MTA, it's the fault of the ignorant, selfish riders themselves. Fuck 'em. |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Tue Jul 3 11:10:00 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 20:49:49 2007. It's simple. Take the V and leave 5-10 minutes earlier. You'll get to your destination in the same amount of time as the train.Plus, the commute will be much easier to handle as well. I can't believe how people think that the express is much faster because of the word express...its a mental thing I swear. Fine but what about when a V has past you by nice and empty and you're still waiting for the F for another 15 minutes. To top it off, you have to wait at 57th Street because there's a train crossing ahead of you...oh! That's the empty V train you let pass by because it stops everywhere right? Believe me, try it for a week and you'll see the difference... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 11:11:12 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by shadyelstation on Mon Jul 2 11:50:50 2007. I do not. I'm not convinced people will trade a slow crawl over the bridge and up 6th Ave over the greater transfer options available to them at Canal and Chambers Sts. At least not at numbers which would justify the service ... |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Tue Jul 3 11:11:29 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 3 06:46:40 2007. Exactly! There's no way to complain about anything to MTA if you don't use the service provided...can't say that service isn't provided to commuters |
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Posted by PATHman on Tue Jul 3 11:13:18 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 11:03:35 2007. It is amazing how someone that doesn't USE these lines on a daily basis thinks he knows what is best for the people that actually USE these lines. I'm sick of foamers putting their two cents into issues that don't affect them directly. I'll ride whatever line I feel like, whether anyone likes it or not. If I want to take a crush loaded F train to 53rd/Lex (where I can reach the 6 or the East Side business district) instead of taking it to a random, useless station along the 63rd Connector then that is my business. Ever since the V was extended to Brooklyn back in 2005 foamers have a pro-V train bias. However, the fact remains that regardless of how they feel about the line their opinion means nothing unless they physically USE the Queens Blvd lines. |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Tue Jul 3 11:13:30 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 10:56:15 2007. Please, tell me how you can justify them doing that?You mean to tell me that people between Jackson Heights and Forest Hills are screwed because there's no F service? Are you nuts? |
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Posted by Eric B on Tue Jul 3 11:28:39 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 3 01:01:51 2007. Well that's the G. I'm talking about Bushwick/Ridgewood (L, M). You all do complain more than us, like when they cut back the G. You never hear that sort of uproar over this way.What we would probably need is some sort of emergency diversion; like if the Nassau line past Essex for some reason became impassible, for them to be forced to run service through the connector (and then I would say combine it with the V, because it's an emergency) but even then they would probably still find some reason to not do it and cut all the service oss at Essex. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 11:46:05 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Tue Jul 3 11:13:18 2007. If I lived in Forest Hills and I worked in Herald Square, I'd take the V every day. Given that I HAVE to take the slow J train, I'd WELCOME actual choice. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 11:48:32 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Pelham R62A on Tue Jul 3 11:13:30 2007. It would force all Queens riders west of Forest Hills onto the V for 53rd St. and 6th Ave. If they won't choose the less crowded route voluntarily, perhaps it's time to remove the ability to choose. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 3 11:54:12 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 11:46:05 2007. There's nothing wrong with using the J from Jamaica..The PROBLEM is the lack of express service...along most of its route. The J should be the peak express between Cresent st and Essex st.. Skip stop from Sutphin Blvd to Cypress Hills. But since the MTA doesn't see the Jamaica line as a route people ACTUALLY USE...things will stay as they are. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 11:56:11 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 3 11:54:12 2007. Without a middle express track, there's only so much time that can be saved on this line. The infrastructure forces slow speeds in too many places. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jul 3 11:56:49 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Tue Jul 3 11:13:18 2007. What is much more amazing is the fact that you are completely blind to users who are going to and coming from different places then you are. Do the service changes of dec 16 2001 help me? No. As someone who regularly has to go from 53/lex to Jamaica, I generally no longer have the F as a choice. Too bad. MANY people got a large benefit with the V! All of the queens blvd local stations now have roughly double the manhattan service which was really needed. |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Tue Jul 3 11:57:46 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 11:48:32 2007. But then you incovienience riders at stations such as 57th Street, 63rd Street/Lexington Avenue, Roosevelt Island, and 21st/Queensbridge from Jackson Heights as they have to go to Forest Hills and turn back.Also, handicapped riders have access to elevators at the Jackson Heights station. You will make them have to go to Jamaica/179th on the F or Jamaica/Van Wyck on the E to turnaround. I understand your argument and in fact I think it is a good idea to test the V line ridership but with these issues above, it is impractical. This would also work only if the V is extended to Brooklyn because removing the F for riders at Roosevelt Avenue provides the only Brooklyn connection besides the R and both lines serve different neighborhoods in the borough. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 12:01:02 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Pelham R62A on Tue Jul 3 11:57:46 2007. You can't please everyone, you can only have a service plan which serves the most the best. Until 2001, Queens residents wanting these stations had to ride to Rockefeller Center, cross over and take the Q/S backwards. |
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Posted by PATHman on Tue Jul 3 12:04:52 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 11:48:32 2007. They have a word for that: communism. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jul 3 12:05:59 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Tue Jul 3 12:04:52 2007. you severely misunderstand both communism and the subway. |
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Posted by shadyelstation on Tue Jul 3 12:19:12 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 11:11:12 2007. The (M) timetable shows 20 min travel time from Wyckoff to Essex.The (L) timetable shows 20 min travel time from Wyckoff to 6 Ave. The (F)/(V) timetable shows 5 min travel time between Delancey and W 4 St. Thus, a "straight-shot" (M) running up 6 Ave would take 5-7 extra mins (using the above figures and estimates) to get to 14 St. That's time that can be lost by making one (or in this case up to two transfers) under the current pattern. In short, the extra time traveled by the new (M) is negligible and ultimately would make things more convenient for the (M) rider (and Broadway Brooklyn riders) IMHO. Why take up to 3 trains when you take just one and get there at the same time? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 12:19:52 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Tue Jul 3 12:04:52 2007. No, it's actually the opposite of communism. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 12:20:16 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by R30A on Tue Jul 3 12:05:59 2007. Amongst a lot of other things. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 12:32:55 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by shadyelstation on Tue Jul 3 12:19:12 2007. You can't calculate times like that because the train itself used a different route with it's own timers and delays due to merging with other lines. Time itself isn't my primary concern. Flexibility is. Despite being forced to transfer to get to midtown, the Nassau St. line has transfers to every single north/south Manhattan trunk line. The 6th Ave IND has notoriously poor connections with the IRT. The Chrystie St. connector does nothing for M riders wanting the East Side of Manhattan. Riders who would benefit from the service can still get fairly frequent 6th Ave service by transferring to the F at Essex. I still assert that the V would do better being extended to Church Ave, not Metropolitan Ave. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 3 12:53:56 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by American Pig on Tue Jul 3 03:01:31 2007. I hear CC LOCAL's nephew went to a good college. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 3 12:55:27 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 21:59:34 2007. The average non-foamer simply wants a train that will take them to their destination as quickly as possible.Well then they should be taking the J if that was true, as the J/Z is faster between JC and Chambers than the E is between JC and Chambers.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 3 12:56:50 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 11:56:11 2007. They need to built an express track between Bway Junc and Cypress Hills, via Jamaica Ave, and finally put the express track into the center of the el over Jamaica Ave. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 3 12:59:35 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by R30A on Tue Jul 3 11:56:49 2007. Yes, it was ridiculous that Queens Blvd only had one local Manhattan route. That is a major improvement. To finish it, they should route the V from Broadway-Lafayette to metropolitan. This would give the V a whole new use in Manhattan in reverse peak direction, as the reverse peak direction would be the peak direction for the people coming from the Broadway El and Myrtle el. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Jul 3 13:03:15 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by R30A on Tue Jul 3 11:56:49 2007. The current arrangements for the 63rd Street tunnel waa a COMPROMISE, and not what was intended in the original plans for the Second Avenue subway and the Queens-Super Express. While it seems that everybody is moaning and groaning about the F-train on 63rd Street they do not realize that it was the NIMBY actions of Queens neighborhoods and the actions of politicians such as Geraldine Ferraro and Alphonse DaMatto (spelling) who waged to cut the funding for the Queens-Super Express route. As well as the federal government and the city's fiscal crisis, and LIRR that killed the planned subway extensions past Archer Avenue.So while some folks quibble about which train letters should travel a well-worn path to Brooklyn, really important transit policy decisions and deals are made in places and ways far and above such quibbles. The basic transit issues are simple - there are over-crowded transit lines, little real cash to pay for improvements, the reality that transit riders do not want to pay higher fares, the fact that the total amount of fares paid does not cover the actual cost of the service, the building of subway lines is expensive, NIMBY concerns by the powerful, and a whole mass of people who just do not care about mass transit because they have their cars and they really do not give much thought to anything else that does not make their cars go. Mike |
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Posted by mambomta on Tue Jul 3 13:06:25 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Tue Jul 3 11:13:18 2007. It is amazing how someone that doesn't USE these lines on a daily basis thinks he knows what is best for the people that actually USE these lines.Actually, it's even more amazing that someone thinks that his opinion is the only one that matters when it is clear the most Queens Blvd riders disagree with you. 'm sick of foamers putting their two cents into issues that don't affect them directly. Pot. Kettle. Black. You are the one foaming the most here. I'll ride whatever line I feel like, whether anyone likes it or not. Then stop being a hypocrite. Your opinion is not the only one that matters. If I want to take a crush loaded F train to 53rd/Lex (where I can reach the 6 or the East Side business district) instead of taking it to a random, useless station along the 63rd Connector then that is my business. There goes your childish,selfish attitude again. You are not the only one that uses the F, nor are you even in the majority. A large majority of F line riders benefit from using the 63rd St connector, especially those that get off on a stop along 6th ave. And those stops are far from useless(especially 63rd/Lex). Ever since the V was extended to Brooklyn back in 2005 foamers have a pro-V train bias. It is not only foamers that have a pro-V bias. The V provides an extremely useful service. It is just people like you who refuse to understand it. However, the fact remains that regardless of how they feel about the line their opinion means nothing unless they physically USE the Queens Blvd lines. I use the Queens Blvd line at least 6 days/week, sometimes 7. And I've been using it for over 8 years now. Unlike you, I can see the big pictore. You can barely see pass the tip of your nose. |
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Posted by mambomta on Tue Jul 3 13:09:56 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 3 12:55:27 2007. Well then they should be taking the J if that was true, as the J/Z is faster between JC and Chambers than the E is between JC and Chambers....PATHMan doesn't know what the average non-foamer wants. Mainly because he is a foamer and just doesn't realize it. |
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Posted by mambomta on Tue Jul 3 13:10:48 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 11:00:48 2007. If you've already got a 90 minute commute, what's the difference between that and a 95-100 minute commute?Exactly. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 3 13:37:22 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect - TEXT, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 2 17:05:40 2007. Va-va-va-voom!!! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Jul 3 14:37:15 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 20:49:49 2007. Then that's how you look at it then, you do what you gotta do.You leave early enough shouldnt be a problem.. Helps also that i work down here seen a lot of things.. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 3 14:50:20 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 10:56:15 2007. Lol, not exactly what I was getting to, but close enough I guess. Also, making the E and F skipping Roosevelt Avenue is not the best of ideas although I'm pretty sure the riders will let you know once you do it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 15:15:20 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 3 12:59:35 2007. I'd rather route the V to Church Ave, and run the F express. Eastern division riders still benefit from this because of the larger numbers of trains running through Delancey St. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Tue Jul 3 15:17:22 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 11:46:05 2007. You could also use the (R) as well to Herald Square if you like locals (though the (R) is more used than the (V)). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 15:20:01 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 3 14:50:20 2007. The riders have demonstrated that they will jam express trains, delaying them further, then complain about the delays they themselves create. Fuck them, time to treat them like the children they are behaving like. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Tue Jul 3 15:27:50 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 21:59:34 2007. I agree with you..express trains are generally more crowded than local trains. It's already a known fact, all you have to do is enter the subway during the height of the PM Rush Hour later today to visualize it for yourself. And I think the local/express balancing issue would be much, much worse if the US adapted Britain's Slow Line/Fast Line branding. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Tue Jul 3 15:28:47 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 10:57:25 2007. Then less people will use the (7), more people will take the <7> and transfer in Manhattan, This may transfer crowds from the (E) and (F) to the <7>. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 3 15:34:36 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 15:20:01 2007. Well, if riders want to take the (E) and (F) over the (V) don't punish them for it, if the riders want the (E) and (F) then maybe service on those two lines should be increased if possible. |
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Posted by error46146 on Tue Jul 3 15:37:28 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Mon Jul 2 21:31:59 2007. No, 5 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 15:40:40 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Tue Jul 3 15:17:22 2007. The V is a tad more direct than the R, but even in pre-V days, I'd choose the R over the F. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 15:42:59 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 3 15:34:36 2007. It's currently NOT possible to increase E and F service. That's the whole point. The numbers of trains will always remain finite. The alternative is using a local which takes a few more minutes to reach your destination. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 3 15:49:44 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Tue Jul 3 15:27:50 2007. Huh????? What do you agree with him about? All of your text following "I agree with you" has nothing to do with this discussion. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 3 15:53:12 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 15:42:59 2007. And with the way they've slowed the whole blasted system down, the few extra minutes is moot. |
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Posted by Kid Twist on Tue Jul 3 15:58:23 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 12:32:55 2007. "The 6th Ave IND has notoriously poor connections with the IRT."Yes, but once they finish rebuilding Bleecker Street, a transfer to the uptown IRT will also be available at Broadway-Lafayette. |
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