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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 26 10:12:47 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Oct 25 23:55:11 2006. I agree with that. We are all railfans, but each has a different level, or interest. We can't all be interested in the same exact stuff. There are plenty of threads I skip, and there are plenty of threads I may read that others skip. I doubt anyone has time to read everything, or even has the time to read everything. We obviously read what interests us, and of course, there are threads we all meet at.Complaining about an on topic thread someone isn't interested in is silly. There are plenty of off topic threads (shemales and the like) that turn up here that can be complained aboutm, without raining on people's parade with on topic posts. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 26 10:27:20 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 26 00:06:25 2006. Correct. The most likely switching or fill in with the M would be some train that runs on the D line, but seeing that the D right now has a mainstay of R68's running on it, we are not going to see a D pressed into M service. If however, the West End was still dominated by the R40 Slants like it was in the early 90's, when the B ran there, we could have maybe seen some Slants show up on the M.However, the BIG problem, it's not really doable because the M can only handle 8 cars, and the B (or D today) would have been 10, even if running 60 foot cars. So we just don't see it. |
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Trainwatching in Class- re: R-142A on the 2 |
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Posted by Howard Fein on Thu Oct 26 10:37:27 2006, in response to Re: R-142A on the 2 today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 26 09:56:58 2006. Christ the King, right? That IS a great location! If I recall, where the LIRR and NYCR meet is called Bushwick Junction- at least Hagstrom does. I may have seen it referred to by other names.If you were in high school after 1988 or so, watching the M would have been very monotonous, as it was pretty much solid Mod 40/42 with occasional Slants thrown in. The 27/30s had mostly moved from the Eastern Division to the C and 6th Avenue Shuttle by that time. A couple of years ago we were a Little League game in Mafera Park, which forms the SW quadrant of the Junction and bordering the M ROW to the east. At least one kid was distracted by a train passing by and missed a fly ball. At one point, a loud diesel engine was heard approaching and the ground began to shake. The sound got louder and louder, making me think a long freight consist on the NYCRR, or a long freight or OOS diesel consist on the LIRR, was about to pass. It turned out to be one puny LIRR diesel engine- the same kind that had pulled the pre-double decker passenger consists. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 26 11:09:58 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 24 13:30:31 2006. So that's what you look like? I expected more like a hot dog. :D |
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Re: R-142A on the 2 today |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 26 11:23:29 2006, in response to Re: R-142A on the 2 today, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Thu Oct 26 03:28:33 2006. 1980 ish. |
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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 26 11:31:47 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by 5119 on Thu Oct 26 01:58:02 2006. Interesting. It couldn't have been a regular F crew since in those days, with the 3 divisions segregated, no way were the IND crews qualified on BMT cars. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 26 11:34:11 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 26 06:57:47 2006. Back to square 1! "Happens on the IRT exceedingly rarely". I disagree. Look at all the sightings reported here lately. |
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Re: Trainwatching in Class- re: R-142A on the 2 |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 26 11:38:31 2006, in response to Trainwatching in Class- re: R-142A on the 2, posted by Howard Fein on Thu Oct 26 10:37:27 2006. Christ the King, right? That IS a great location!Yup, CK High School, and wow, what a location, I wouldn't have traded it for anything. And that's when my railfan tendancies (gee is it like a disease?) began. Taking the subway everyday got me hooked (amazingly so, because the trains and subway looked like crap in the 80's. Yes, I believe that location is informally (or perhaps in the past formally) called Bushwick Junction. If you were in high school after 1988 or so, watching the M would have been very monotonous, as it was pretty much solid Mod 40/42 with occasional Slants thrown in. Thankfully, it was in the years leading up to 1988 that I enjoyed the M views. It was a true treat, the crappiest line in the system perhaps, but man, was it colorful over those 4 years. I had seen it all from completely devastated R27-30, R16, R32, 38, 40, and 42's in the beginning, then watched as the blue doored R42's and R40 slants came by (interior only blue on the slants I think), and then a half a year of 100% R16 (man was that bad), and the the red R30's came....and finally, once I went to college, the R40-42 GOHed trains began to arrive. couple of years ago we were a Little League game in Mafera Park, which forms the SW quadrant of the Junction and bordering the M ROW to the east. My friend and I lived there in the summer, we would walk in at Fremont Tower, and walk over to the NY Connecting Bridge over the Montauk Branch, bring lunch, and sit there for hours. This was the early 90's by this time, when I was in college. No one bothered you. The LIRR engineers would even blow the horn and wave when we were standing on the bridge, and they went by underneath. SO much to see there. Here's some photos I took about 1991 from the bridge...you could never do this today!!    
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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 26 11:54:30 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 26 11:31:47 2006. My time came 11 years later after the Empty-yay was formed but there was still bits of that in 1970 from the old "TA" ... car equipment did get sent to interesting places ... but they'd ALSO send a crew qualified on the car types when things swapped. Remember, the Dyre line is STILL IND. :)The old TA did swap equipment though on a fairly frequent basis back then as new stuff started coming in. Arnines on the BMT weren't uncommon though they were IND crews running them after posting the lines. Occasionally BMT equipment would find its way to the IND also, but that was rather rare. The R9's and R10's were still pretty reliable back then. All a matter of what you were qualified on which determined what you could pick or where you could pick up "extra" ... and B1 and B2 were failry interchangeable even if BMT and IND crews tended to pick their OWN "railroad." Garbage trains were still 9 footers no matter WHOSE ashes they were hauling. =) |
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Re: Trainwatching in Class- re: R-142A on the 2 |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Oct 26 11:58:27 2006, in response to Trainwatching in Class- re: R-142A on the 2, posted by Howard Fein on Thu Oct 26 10:37:27 2006. I also attended Christ the King - from 1962 to 1966. Back then the Myrtle Ave. line had Standards and Q-cars. And the Bay Ridge line was electified with overhead catenary. Boy, am I getting old!Actually, for freshman year 1962/63 we had to attend Mater Christi HS in Astoria since the CK building had not yet been completed. I remember counting the number of cars on the freigtht trains heading to/from the Hell Gate Bridge on the NYCRR. Many of them had over 100 cars. (for that matter many of the freight trains on the Bay Ridge also had > 100 cars back then - and you could find an occasional freight car on the Evergreen branch) Also, Mafera Park was called "old Farmers Oval" back then ("New" Farmers oval was where Christ the King was built) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 26 12:04:26 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Tue Oct 24 00:43:22 2006. What are they going to do with CHambers on the A and the Park Place station? Are those also closing or just the E WTC platform? Will you still be able to use the transfer between the Park Place and A? |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 26 16:24:43 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 26 10:27:20 2006. That's why I mentioned the C, which also runs 480-foot trains.The D seems to be particularly xenophobic of other cars. I think there's one train on Saturdays and maybe also on Sundays that specifically comes out of the CI-based fleet, and it sometimes uses R-68A's. Aside from that and the baseball specials (which are really relabeled B's), it seems like the D won't run CI-based equipment no matter what, even if it means an ABD. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 26 16:34:29 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 26 11:34:11 2006. Exactly my point. This isn't something that happens every day. Suddenly, in the past week or two, a bunch of cars have moved around, and there have been posts about them.If the 4 often borrowed cars from the 1, then we'd often see VC-based R-62A's on the 4, and it wouldn't be a big deal this time. But, except for some weekend GO's a few years ago that cut the 3 back to Manhattan and extended the 4 to New Lots, I've never seen R-62A's on the 4, and even then I don't think they were VC-based. I'll say it again. It's about as likely for the 4 to borrow cars from the 1 to make service as it is for the M to borrow cars from the C to make service. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Oct 26 17:38:32 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Howard Fein on Thu Oct 26 09:24:39 2006. It looked like a fun day. I saw all the pictures on Dave's site. |
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Re: R-142A on the 2 today |
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Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Thu Oct 26 19:25:26 2006, in response to Re: R-142A on the 2 today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 26 09:56:58 2006. I had the same problem in the former half of 2nd grade, since my school was right up against the Livonia El between Pennsylvania and Van Siclen. And I was in a classroom at the end of the building (facing towards Van Siclen) all day, except for lunch (daily) and social studies (weekly). |
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Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Thu Oct 26 19:47:04 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 26 00:04:26 2006. You seem to feel as if we are disagreeing... |
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Re: R-142A on the 2 today |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Oct 26 21:45:18 2006, in response to Re: R-142A on the 2 today, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Oct 25 12:10:20 2006. So I wasn't seeing things when I saw 7521-25 leaving Burke Avenue. |
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Re: R142A running on the 2 Tuesday |
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Posted by The Maven on Thu Oct 26 21:48:54 2006, in response to Re: R142A running on the 2 Tuesday, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Thu Oct 26 00:49:37 2006. Pics hereClick Here |
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Posted by Eric B on Thu Oct 26 21:54:36 2006, in response to Re: R-142A on the 2 today, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 26 10:00:27 2006. Back in that period, the 10's were strictly on the C and G. I had just missed the period in 1980 when they were rported to be scattered everywhere. I never saw them on the BMT or the 6th Ave, line.Slants didn't show up until I left Flatbush. My last year there, the first two had appeared on the D, and then later spread to the other lines. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Oct 27 02:38:27 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Howard Fein on Thu Oct 26 09:24:39 2006. Wow! An old picture of guys we normally don't see pictures of! |
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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here? |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Fri Oct 27 05:06:52 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 26 06:57:47 2006. You've explained why R-68A's sometimes run on the B and R-46's sometimes run on the E. That's notwhat's happening here. Since those are inter-line transfers within the same barn, they are really non-events. Someone else in this long-winded thread already gave you the scoop: there is a certain car class which is having a fleet-wide mechanical issue. It's not exactly the Rockwell truck problem but it isn't a minor thing either. |
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Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Fri Oct 27 06:22:31 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 26 12:04:26 2006. All I been told its just WTC E platfrom. They want to push it back a few feet next to Bway Nassau is what I heard. No date has been given when this is suppose to start.Its been a rumor for over 2 Years now but I hearing it from Supervison. |
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Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Fri Oct 27 06:27:43 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Grand Concourse on Wed Oct 25 12:18:02 2006. They could do that but since the C Line fleet would have to go to the E Line if they decide to knock out the C Line I think you would see some R38's on the E Line |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Oct 27 09:29:18 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Jeff H. on Fri Oct 27 05:06:52 2006. That's a better explanation. Thank you.Anybody know how many cars are affected? |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Oct 27 09:33:54 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Fri Oct 27 06:27:43 2006. If they decide to knock out the C line, they'll need more B service as well.And that's good for me, although it won't help the Brighton Beach crunch. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Oct 27 11:28:03 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Howard Fein on Thu Oct 26 09:24:39 2006. And let's not forget the photographer - me! |
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Field Trips |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Oct 27 11:40:35 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Howard Fein on Thu Oct 26 09:24:39 2006. Back in 1999 Subtalk gatherings were still a new concept.I believe the very first SubTalk Field Trip was the "Farewell to the Willy B" trip, which was organized by Todd Glickman. The best Field Trip I ever attended was the second trip to the remains of the Polo Grounds shuttle. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Oct 27 13:08:49 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Howard Fein on Thu Oct 26 09:24:39 2006. The guy with the matching black-and-white bag and T-shirt is our own RIPTA Tunnel.It's not me. I don't know who it is. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Oct 27 13:38:55 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Oct 27 13:08:49 2006. Sure didn't look like you. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 27 14:05:46 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Jeff H. on Fri Oct 27 05:06:52 2006. Rubber chevrons and slack adjusters again? |
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Re: Field Trips |
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Posted by monorail on Fri Oct 27 14:25:47 2006, in response to Field Trips, posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Oct 27 11:40:35 2006. 'The best Field Trip I ever attended 'was to the old yankee stadium... haven't seen that field in a long time |
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Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Fri Oct 27 17:04:18 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Howard Fein on Thu Oct 26 09:24:39 2006. Who's the guy in the blue jacket? He has a creepy resemblence to one of my former doctors. |
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Re: Field Trips |
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Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Fri Oct 27 17:05:06 2006, in response to Field Trips, posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Oct 27 11:40:35 2006. And I'm guessing the last (official) one was Peggy Darlington's Eastern Division tour in April '03? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Oct 27 20:20:35 2006, in response to Re: The SubTalk Police are at it Again, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed Oct 25 22:43:05 2006. That looks like Dougie aka BMTman on the right. |
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Posted by IRT Rules on Fri Oct 27 21:43:46 2006, in response to Re: R-142A on the 2 today, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Oct 26 21:45:18 2006. Yes I saw it at Chambers a liitle after 8AM..still has its Pelham Strip Maps. |
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Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here? |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Sat Oct 28 00:41:12 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Oct 27 09:29:18 2006. All of them. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Oct 28 10:06:10 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Jeff H. on Fri Oct 27 05:06:52 2006. Or maybe it's nothing more than R-62As going in for their 12 year SMS and cars are being shifted to make up for some periodic shortages. Perhaps the replacement of switches at QB Plaza has caused delays in getting cars to and from the overhaul shops. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 28 10:10:21 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Oct 28 10:06:10 2006. Just to give ya a cuddle ... makes sense. I know there were some "truck issues" with the Bombas over on the Eye-AreOfTee a while back and from what I've read of the reliability of rubber chevrons, was wondering if the slack adjusters on those bad boys all caught up again. :)SMS, eh? That'd do ... don't mind me, as far as A Div goes, they could use some R-160's to clean up those platform edges. (grin) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Oct 28 10:13:54 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 28 10:10:21 2006. Hey WHO told you Selkirk?You hit the nail right on the head so to speak... The R62A's are just due to the G.O they had over in the B Div at the Plaza. the R142 switcharoos are another matter, nothing to do with G.O's of any kind. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Oct 28 10:25:52 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 28 10:10:21 2006. R-142/R-142A SMS programs are just kicking in as well. Time does begin to fly. TBUs are part of the SMS but the other issues were solved back then. Any anomalies causing R-142s being out of service are just that. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 28 10:42:59 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Railman718 on Sat Oct 28 10:13:54 2006. So then I have it on yer gangsta IRT butt that the "photogs" are missing a field day as the R160's ply the rails of Jerome Avenue, cutting back platforms so that "carborne gap extender devices" will need to be spot-welded under the doors for that "Genuine Myrtle El feeling?" Say it ain't so, "Bad Santa!" Boooowahahaha ...But yeah, train movements are like bowel movements ... railroad jammed, I go to WHERE terminal now and change ends because you don't want THIS piece of qwap in yer sacred barn for layup? :) Didn't realize that you'd bagged your five year "merit badge" ... heh. Gotta get on my knees for that. As the "Scatman" once said, "Heloooooo Chica-gooo! Gotta drink to dat!" (grin) But yeah ... ain't buffs a tickle? Hahahahaha. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 28 10:50:01 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Oct 28 10:25:52 2006. Thanks for the scoop ... posed that to Unca Jeff as well, but got no reply. I *knew* that was an issue, and silly electronics engineer with "gotta make these boards work in a phycical world, wondered how that all worked out. The mechanics of it were something I never saw diagrams of, but easily comprehended the mechanics that would suck in the slack for better or worse (mostly wurst) and be a huge problem. "In warrantee" I would guess. :)But like I just said in the previous thread ... "buffs be bored" ... ya KNOW that when boxcars along the Canarsie become a photo-op that they MUST have a new contestant on "Idol." (grin) Now when the R16's come to the D stain, PLEASE let me know! Heh. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Oct 28 11:17:17 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 28 10:42:59 2006. Yeah 5 years has gotten here quick..I can still remember that day sitting kinda nervously in the Box(P.S 248 for those who dont know the slang) with my Classmates and the "Twelve" that would make Schoolcar Change forever... If i knew then what i knew now about some of them, espiecally the ones who always talked about "How much they know about the job" and "how this job is a peice of cake" and never logged a day in a cab,or taken a train down the road before.. Needless to say those know-it-alls are not empolyed by the MTA any more,except ONE and he was NEVER a-know-it-all... He knew Horses well though, lol lol You gotta love Winodws NT huh Selkirk??? |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Oct 28 13:42:06 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Jeff H. on Sat Oct 28 00:41:12 2006. I just got wind of a major problem off the 'sixth wire' with no details. Does not look good. Is the problem significant enough to take cars Out Of Service? RRCI Peter |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Oct 28 16:07:49 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 28 10:50:01 2006. Time to drag out the ball peen hammer then.:) |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Oct 28 16:09:50 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Oct 28 16:07:49 2006. 
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Oct 28 16:10:10 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Edwards! on Tue Oct 24 11:33:21 2006. I remember riding on R-46 N trains in the late 70s. Not to mention R-46 E trains during the late 80s. |
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Re: Field Trips |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Oct 28 16:15:09 2006, in response to Re: Field Trips, posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Fri Oct 27 17:05:06 2006. Yes, that was a great tour too. The commradery between members was at an apex by that point. It slowly deteriorated to what it is today from that point afterwards. |
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Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Sat Oct 28 16:31:10 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Railman718 on Sat Oct 28 11:17:17 2006. Oh you tought that was something just wait until early next year. The fun start all over again. We going to see a class of 80 new T/O's. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sat Oct 28 19:54:27 2006, in response to Re: Need a CLEAR explanation on what's going on here?, posted by Jeff H. on Sat Oct 28 00:41:12 2006. Yay! |
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