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Re: Brooklyn subway needs |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 22:06:43 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Thu Oct 19 21:01:07 2006. "I think the problem is that by not addressing transportation infrastructure needs, there are other losses/wastes that can be translated into monetary terms (or even money itself) and that from a utilitarian standpoint, there would be more value (or less lost/wasted value) in investing in expansion of the existing transportation network than in not doing so."Translation: Take money away from another project(ie cancel a highway project) and redirect it to subway expansion. Fine with me - good luck getting that done. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 22:10:22 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 19 21:32:14 2006. OK. Agreed. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 19 22:10:29 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 20:10:58 2006. LIJ |
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Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 19 22:17:32 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 20:13:41 2006. I doubt that as well. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Oct 19 22:23:45 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 19 22:06:20 2006. You don't pay more -- you pay ¥1 less than a second fare. Otherwise you'd pay ¥6 (2 to 13) and ¥5 (1 to 8T) respectively. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Oct 19 22:28:56 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Oct 19 19:38:11 2006. But where would it go? I still think a beltway DMU from New Rochelle to Bay Ridge would be best. It would cover a vast area of the metro area. |
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Bay Ridge NYCT Line Diagram (Was: Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extension) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 19 22:29:49 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by BMT Guy on Thu Oct 19 20:35:50 2006.  
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Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Thu Oct 19 22:30:45 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by D to E to Jamaica on Thu Oct 19 22:05:19 2006. last time...the connection from Church Avenue to the Culver el. |
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Posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Thu Oct 19 22:32:44 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by MATHA531 on Thu Oct 19 20:06:45 2006. You also have to remember many systems are mileage based, not a flat rate like in NYC, like DC and Bart, and they raise their fares during Rush Hours |
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Posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Thu Oct 19 22:34:42 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Oct 19 22:23:45 2006. And the Yuan is 8-1. Hong Kong, Singapore, Sydney, Melbourne are mileage based(actually kms) |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Oct 19 22:35:55 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Oct 19 22:23:45 2006. *I should have added that the transfer ticket includes the price of the previous line traveled on; if you take Line 2 to Line 13, you buy the transfer ticket when you get on Line 2 and it's valid for 1 ride on both 2 and 13. |
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Posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Thu Oct 19 22:36:52 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by BMT Guy on Thu Oct 19 20:46:11 2006. and you could not transfer from one to the other, or bus to subway and reverse. Even from Bus to Bus |
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Posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Thu Oct 19 22:38:16 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Oct 19 20:56:39 2006. what if you use a unlimited Metro Pass, is it still 2 fares |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 22:38:19 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 19 21:32:14 2006. bus/bus/subway is rare, because you can avoid it usually. However, bus/subway/bus is a very plausible occurrence. |
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Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 22:39:11 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Thu Oct 19 21:20:52 2006. The N would allow it to provide even more coverage area, but it feeds yet another line into DeKalb, which I think should be avoided. |
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Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 22:40:04 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by Tunnel Rat on Thu Oct 19 21:03:39 2006. Go and look at the Walls at Broadway Junction. |
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Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention |
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Posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Thu Oct 19 22:42:00 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by MATHA531 on Thu Oct 19 22:30:45 2006. Yes 1954 over 50 years ago |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 22:42:06 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by BMT Guy on Thu Oct 19 21:17:04 2006. Right, but the cost savings applies if you connect to the west as well. |
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Posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Thu Oct 19 22:44:11 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 19 20:14:24 2006. East of the Brighton Line and South of Ave H, how many miles is it to the nearest subway. Everyone has to take a bus to get to the subway, any subway |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 19 22:44:41 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Oct 19 22:35:55 2006. That explains it. |
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Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention |
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Posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Thu Oct 19 22:47:16 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Oct 19 19:55:47 2006. Yes but Brooklyn and Queens has more residents then Manhatten |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 22:49:38 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by BMT Guy on Thu Oct 19 21:19:36 2006. They look like the cuts for a 4 track subway passing by perpendicularly. Look at the walls, near the entrance. |
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Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 22:50:09 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 22:49:38 2006. Err, near the stairs on the platform level. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 23:08:43 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by D to E to Jamaica on Thu Oct 19 22:05:19 2006. I think you missed who brought that issue up. It was one person. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 23:10:28 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Oct 19 22:28:56 2006. That would be wasteful. Who wants to go from New Rochelle to Bay Ridge? |
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Re: Bay Ridge NYCT Line Diagram (Was: Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extension) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 23:10:57 2006, in response to Bay Ridge NYCT Line Diagram (Was: Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extension), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 19 22:29:49 2006. I have that saved on my computer. I originally got it from you. thanks. |
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Re: Bay Ridge NYCT Line Diagram (Was: Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extension) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 19 23:12:50 2006, in response to Re: Bay Ridge NYCT Line Diagram (Was: Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extension), posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 23:10:57 2006. No prob. Hopefully BMT Guy will see it too. |
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Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 23:13:26 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by D to E to Jamaica on Thu Oct 19 22:05:19 2006. We're not missing the point. We're saying expansion in Brooklyn takes a back seat to expansion in Queens due to lack of subway coverage there, and a back seat to expansion in Manhattan, which David astutely points out affects capacity serving all the boroughs. The fact that Queens has more recent expansion than Brooklyn isn't relevant. uens needs it more than Brooklyn does. Brooklyn has a lot of old trackage. Brooklyn has had over $1 billion recently spent rebuilding facilities. If I could secure another $1 billion for Brooklyn, I'd rebuild the sea Beach line and as much of the rest of the infrastructure as I could. If I got another $1 billion after that, then I'd look for expansion projects to do. Not before. |
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Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 23:18:05 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 23:13:26 2006. The Sea Beach line doesn't need rebuilding. |
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Re: Bay Ridge NYCT Line Diagram (Was: Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extension) |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Thu Oct 19 23:19:17 2006, in response to Re: Bay Ridge NYCT Line Diagram (Was: Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extension), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 19 23:12:50 2006. Brian....no reason for me to see it, I already have it too, as well as an earlier version that did not have the 'split' that went eastward to what would be Starret City. That was a REALLY wacked-out idea (having the Canarsie turn left -- eastward -- after New Lots Ave). For that a totally new elevated ROW would have had to have been created just to do that. Made more sense to extend the #3 New Lots Avenue line south to Flatlands to serve Starret City and Spring Creek (which was also another aborted extension project from the drawing boards of 1968). |
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Re: Bay Ridge NYCT Line Diagram (Was: Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extension) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 19 23:22:17 2006, in response to Re: Bay Ridge NYCT Line Diagram (Was: Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extension), posted by BMT Guy on Thu Oct 19 23:19:17 2006. 10-4 Charlie |
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Re: Bay Ridge NYCT Line Diagram (Was: Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extension) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 23:35:03 2006, in response to Bay Ridge NYCT Line Diagram (Was: Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extension), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 19 22:29:49 2006. Thanks for posting those maps.Looking back on it, the Queens extension to Springfield Blvd might have been problematic unless they utilized trains with some spare capacity. The J train can be extended without a problem from that respect. Can the E train be extended several stops? It's crowded as it is. Now, extend the R through a diversion to a new line and etend it north and east and you've got a viable proposition - there really will be enough space to fit people. But then they'll complain they are only riding a local... |
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Re: Bay Ridge NYCT Line Diagram (Was: Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extension) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 23:43:05 2006, in response to Re: Bay Ridge NYCT Line Diagram (Was: Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extension), posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 23:35:03 2006. Most of the crowding on the E results from a high # of transferees at the last stop. Extending the line would not result in a large number of new riders. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 19 23:55:04 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Oct 19 20:56:39 2006. "If you take two buses to the subway, you'll pay twice in virtually all situations."Or if you take a bus to the subway, then another bus from the subway at the other end. |
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Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 19 23:58:19 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 22:40:04 2006. I know of what you speak..it looks like four cutouts...It has nothing to do with a train..it more strucural than anything. |
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Re: Extending E may not work well |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 23:59:41 2006, in response to Re: Bay Ridge NYCT Line Diagram (Was: Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extension), posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 23:43:05 2006. "Most of the crowding on the E results from a high # of transferees at the last stop"Meaning to the buses? "Extending the line would not result in a large number of new riders." Iwould disagree strongly with that. Buses coming from the periphery of Queens fill up pretty quickly. he extended subway would attract riders who fill up buses now. Extend the E subway to Springfield Blvd and you may have at lkeast half the seats filled, if not more, by the time the train arrives at Jamaica Center. Then watch it fill up at Jamaica Center and have even more sardines join it at Sutphin Blvd. That's the good news. The bad news is the train still has to visit Union Turnpike, Forest Hills and Roosevelt Blvd. Do you think the R160 can be fitted with extra seats on the roof? :0) |
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Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 20 00:05:25 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by Tunnel Rat on Thu Oct 19 21:03:39 2006. More like connect to it at Cypress Hills... |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Oct 20 00:09:29 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 23:10:28 2006. Nobody wants to go the whole way, but there are important areas linked by that route. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 20 00:10:55 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Oct 20 00:09:29 2006. Right, so link the few important areas. Don't build the whole thing, as a lot of it wouldn't justify the cost. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Oct 20 00:13:30 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 20 00:10:55 2006. Almost all of it would be fairly well-used, with the possible exception of the bit between New Rochelle and northern Queens. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Oct 20 00:14:20 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Oct 20 00:13:30 2006. Compared to, say, London, they're right next to each other...:0) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 20 00:17:02 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Oct 20 00:13:30 2006. What's the purpose of making it a LRT the whole way then? |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Oct 20 00:18:31 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 20 00:17:02 2006. LRT, DMU... it doesn't really matter what the mode is. |
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Re: Extending E may not work well |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Oct 20 00:20:07 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 23:59:41 2006. The issue is that extending the E would cause it to be even more crowded than it already is (if that's even possible.) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Oct 20 00:22:13 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Oct 20 00:18:31 2006. Ah, but what about the mean and standard deviation? :0) |
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Re: Bay Ridge NYCT Line Diagram (Was: Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extension) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 20 00:24:41 2006, in response to Re: Bay Ridge NYCT Line Diagram (Was: Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extension), posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 23:43:05 2006. WRONG....Most of the E lines riders come from South Jamica along the Merrick Blvd corridor..north,east and south of it... |
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Re: Bay Ridge NYCT Line Diagram (Was: Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extension) |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Oct 20 00:25:14 2006, in response to Re: Bay Ridge NYCT Line Diagram (Was: Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extension), posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 20 00:24:41 2006. That is exactly what he said. They transfer to buses at the last stop. |
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Re: Extending E may not work well |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 20 00:26:18 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 23:59:41 2006. Iwould disagree strongly with that. Buses coming from the periphery of Queens fill up pretty quickly. he extended subway would attract riders who fill up buses now. Extend the E subway to Springfield Blvd and you may have at least half the seats filled, if not more, by the time the train arrives at Jamaica Center.I'm missing your point. extending the E would have the principle advantage of reducing the amount of bus operations. It would result in people who had to ride the bus to Jamaica riding to Springfield, with fewer people getting on at Jamaica. This decreases travel time, and might add a nominal amount of new passengers. |
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Re: Extending E may not work well |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Oct 20 00:27:52 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 20 00:26:18 2006. Doing anything to reduce the number of buses in that area would be beneficial. If it's an E extension, then more power to it. |
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Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 20 00:32:52 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 19 23:58:19 2006. That structure is there for a reason. |
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