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Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 3 09:28:41 2006, in response to Ever a PATH express?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jul 3 09:23:33 2006. Used to run Newark-WTC during the 90s. Not a common train when it ran. |
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Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jul 3 09:34:17 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 3 09:28:41 2006. Was it non-stop? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jul 3 09:51:04 2006, in response to Ever a PATH express?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jul 3 09:23:33 2006. Weekend and late night trains used to skip Pavonia and IIRC late night trains also skipped Christopher as well. Those were the days when Pavonia was nothing but a parking lot and the area around Christopher was very industrial rather than residential. |
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Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes |
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Posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 09:53:24 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jul 3 09:34:17 2006. It didn’t make any station stops if that’s what you mean! The trains used a bypass track at Journal Square to overtake the train waiting at the platform since there aren’t separate express tracks. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 10:09:13 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 3 09:51:04 2006. I would love to see photos of what the area of Jersey City now called "Newport" looked like in the 1960s/70s/80s/early 90s. If my impression is correct that it was just abandoned rail yards, then why did PATH even continue stopping there once Erie Terminal closed? |
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Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 10:09:48 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes, posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 09:53:24 2006. That's awesome! I never knew about this express service. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jul 3 10:16:40 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 10:09:13 2006. why did PATH even continue stopping there once Erie Terminal closed?In the 1980s there was a huge (and very cheap) commuter parking lot. I used it myself a few times. It only cost $3 per day! |
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Posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 10:18:36 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 10:09:13 2006. I don’t have pictures, but there was always a community in the area. You walk a couple of blocks inland from the waterfront and there are rowhouses.Then the finance firms started hopping across the river followed by the yuppie apartment complexes. But it’s not all bad. We got HBLR out of it! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 10:19:33 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 3 10:16:40 2006. Hmm, interesting. Did Washington Blvd exist? I assume it did. Was the parking lost west of Washington Blvd? |
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Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes |
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Posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 10:19:56 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 10:09:48 2006. It wasn’t as express as you might have thought, since the scheduling was such that it could get caught behind a Hoboken train waiting for the Hudson tubes, the main bottleneck of the system.And you still got a better ride if you waited for the train where the doors opened on your side first so you could get a seat! |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Jul 3 10:20:48 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 10:18:36 2006. I used to frequent the area alot. It was spooky at night. No trouble just eerie. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 10:24:44 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Jul 3 10:20:48 2006. That's so cool. Did you take any "non-railfan" photos of the area with your many fancy cameras, you prolific photographer? |
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Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 10:27:31 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes, posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 10:19:56 2006. Yeah, I'm sure it wasn't much more of a thrill than PATH already is, I just never knew about this service pattern. I only rode PATH a few times pre-2001, and they were all mostly joyrides on weekends (coinciding with the Hoboken Festivals) from Hoboken to Newark and return. |
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Posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 10:29:16 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 10:19:33 2006. Start Here on Google Maps.You can see the lots just to the East of Washington St. There used to be much more parking space: The building at the corner of Christopher Columbus drive & Washington St was a parking lot. On Hudson St, South of York St, there are two small parking lots, a couple of completed buildings on the waterfront and some construction. That was various dirt parking lots at various different times. I remember them building the HBLR tracks through the middle of the parking lots and walking through them to get to the Ferry terminal. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jul 3 10:32:34 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 10:19:33 2006. Did Washington Blvd exist? I assume it did. Was the parking lost west of Washington Blvd?Washington Blvd did NOT exist, at least not at Pavonia Ave. It probably existed further south. Pavonia Ave ran due east from Marin Blvd. IIRC the PATH entrance was very close to the street, on the left, and the parking lot was also on the left, stretching northeast and northwest from the PATH entrance. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 10:34:43 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 10:29:16 2006. Thanks. But those lots and areas are closer to the Exchange Place station, not Pavonia-Newport. |
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Posted by L Train on Mon Jul 3 10:45:07 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 3 10:16:40 2006. At Newport Center Mall they're having a "Newport 20" celebration. It celebrates the 20th anniversary of the mall's opening. Prior to the opening of the mall it was just an open space with no apartment buildings. There was no development at that site.Prior to 9/11 (I'm not sure if 9/11 was the cause for the end of the express) the PATH express ran from Newark to World Trade Center in the AM and PM rush hour. It bypassed Harrison and Grove Street. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 10:52:35 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 3 10:32:34 2006. So the Newport Development really turned Pavonia Ave from the main drag into a short side-street. |
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Posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 10:57:07 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by L Train on Mon Jul 3 10:45:07 2006. I don’t recall any PM expresses (which would have run from WTC to Newark)9/11 ended the express as there was nowhere for it to run. I’m guessing that the expansion of the area around Exchange Place and the fact that Lower Manhattan is still recovering in terms of jobs has negated its (small) benefits. |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Jul 3 10:59:34 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by L Train on Mon Jul 3 10:45:07 2006. Actually no.It is the 20th annivesary of the start of the community. The mall did not open until November 1987 (I was there). There was development. The building to the left of the PATH station was being built. My company was going to move there from lower Manhattan but Ed Koch came up with a better deal and we wound up in MetroTech in Brooklyn. As it turns out we did move to in Newport but in a different building and 15 years later. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 10:59:53 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by L Train on Mon Jul 3 10:45:07 2006. At Newport Center Mall they're having a "Newport 20" celebration. It celebrates the 20th anniversary of the mall's openingInteresting. I found THIS link. Have there been any activities/events since then? And are there historical photos currently on display at the mall? |
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Posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Mon Jul 3 11:07:08 2006, in response to Ever a PATH express?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jul 3 09:23:33 2006. During the transit strike in 1980, PATH ran expresses from WTC to 33rd Street. I worked a 6a-2p shift at 370 Jay Street at the time, and my way home was to walk over the Brooklyn Br, head over to the WTC, take the Special to 33rd street, then walk to 59-2 to get the Tramway home.Off topic, but mornings I would take a 5am tram, share a cab to the Brooklyn Br and then walk against the tide over to Brooklyn. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 11:10:05 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Mon Jul 3 11:07:08 2006. During the transit strike in 1980, PATH ran expresses from WTC to 33rd Street.In the 2005 strike, too... |
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Posted by L Train on Mon Jul 3 11:19:18 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 10:59:53 2006. There's pics at newport20.com |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 11:20:25 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by L Train on Mon Jul 3 11:19:18 2006. Thanks!!!! |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Mon Jul 3 11:22:15 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 10:57:07 2006. I’m guessing that the expansion of the area around Exchange Place and the fact that Lower Manhattan is still recovering in terms of jobs has negated its (small) benefits.If one compares the planed square footage to the square footage that use to be there one will deduce that it will never fully recover. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Jul 3 11:29:56 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 11:10:05 2006. Actually it was bit different.In 1980 the PATH train was a true express - it had only 2 stops: WTC and 33rd St. In 2005 the train made all stops from the WTC to 33rd St. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jul 3 11:39:27 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Sand Box John on Mon Jul 3 11:22:15 2006. If one compares the planed square footage to the square footage that use to be there one will deduce that it will never fully recover.??? About 10% of the office square footage of lower Manhattan was destroyed on 9/11. Why is that an unrecoverable amount? That square footage won't necessarily be recovered fully at Ground Zero, but there is more than that to Lower Manhattan. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 11:41:31 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Allan on Mon Jul 3 11:29:56 2006. In 2005 the train made all stops from the WTC to 33rd St.Hmmm, I thought I remembered Mitch45 (and/or others) saying it went express. But I could be wrong. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jul 3 11:46:05 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by L Train on Mon Jul 3 10:45:07 2006. Was this express service really any good then? It does not seem that it would save anybody (even those for whom it is the perfect setup) more than a minute at best. Of course, I've never experienced a rush-hour PATH but that is how it seems. 30-35 seconds per stop skipped and perhaps less if there is congestion. |
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Posted by Red Line to Glenmont on Mon Jul 3 11:51:33 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jul 3 11:46:05 2006. On a two track line, the value of the express isn't to get people there faster, but to squeeze in an extra train to get more passengers from crowded farthest away stations on their way, so there is more room for passengers taking the next local train. The headways can be closer, because, presumably, the express leaves just before a local, and just catches up to the previous local at the end of the line. Outbound expresses aren't as worth it because everyone gets on at the same stop and gets off uniformly, so all an express does is make the start station (WTC) more crowded when the next local leaves. |
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Posted by Michael Wares on Mon Jul 3 11:52:48 2006, in response to Ever a PATH express?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jul 3 09:23:33 2006. I think there was also an express from Hoboken to Hudson Terminal. |
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Posted by EastSideRider on Mon Jul 3 11:53:15 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 10:18:36 2006. That must have been quite a sight to see apartment buildings hop over a river :P |
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Newport in 1986 and the Pavonia PATH station (Was: Re: Ever a PATH express?) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 11:53:54 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by L Train on Mon Jul 3 11:19:18 2006. I grabbed this photo from Newport20.com. But I'm having trouble finding the PATH station. Wait a sec. That little structure at the southwest corner of the parking lot looks to be the PATH vent(?) building in what is now the middle of Washington Blvd. So that means that the entrance to the Pavonia station would be right inside that parking lot. But I don't see any kind of structure that would cover the entrance. Was it just an exposed staircase like any old sidewalk entrance to the NYC subway?
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Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jul 3 11:55:44 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 10:27:31 2006. coinciding with the Hoboken FestivalsMaybe this was asked before, what ever happened to the festivals. They became "Try Transit" for a while, then stopped. |
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Posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 12:04:59 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by EastSideRider on Mon Jul 3 11:53:15 2006. You never met a metaphor afore? |
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Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 12:06:12 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jul 3 11:55:44 2006. I don't know any official reasons for it. Hmm, maybe I'll email NJT and ask if there will be one this year. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jul 3 12:07:35 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express? Yes, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 12:06:12 2006. Thanks. If it's on a Saturday, I can't go. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Jul 3 12:11:22 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 11:41:31 2006. It was Local. |
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Posted by EastSideRider on Mon Jul 3 12:20:05 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 12:04:59 2006. I was just kidding, I knew it was a metaphor :P |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 3 12:21:27 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by R30A on Mon Jul 3 12:11:22 2006. Ok, thanks. My apologies to all for not remembering correctly. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon Jul 3 12:27:14 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Sand Box John on Mon Jul 3 11:22:15 2006. IMO, recovery is not contingent on having exactly what was there before. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon Jul 3 12:27:59 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Allan on Mon Jul 3 10:59:34 2006. My company was going to move there from lower Manhattan but Ed Koch came up with a better deal and we wound up in MetroTech in Brooklyn.Bear Stearns? |
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Posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 12:28:24 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by EastSideRider on Mon Jul 3 12:20:05 2006. So simile! |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Jul 3 12:34:28 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by EastSideRider on Mon Jul 3 12:20:05 2006. So tell us, what was it you metaphor? |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Jul 3 12:36:48 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by J trainloco on Mon Jul 3 12:27:59 2006. No, Chase Manhattan Corporation |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon Jul 3 12:48:25 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Allan on Mon Jul 3 12:36:48 2006. I like that building. Are you still working in it? |
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Posted by Charles G on Mon Jul 3 12:54:23 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by JohnL on Mon Jul 3 12:28:24 2006. I've never called for a B7 before, but I'm getting close... |
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Posted by Charles G on Mon Jul 3 12:57:48 2006, in response to Re: Ever a PATH express?, posted by Red Line to Glenmont on Mon Jul 3 11:51:33 2006. IIRC there were also a couple of trains each morning that originated at Harrison. (Obviously, they didn't materialize at Harrison -- passed through the station at Newark Penn without opening the doors and then another local would pull immediately in behind it.) |
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