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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 28 11:37:11 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 28 01:39:51 2004. I have been giving this some thought, and maybe there *is* an action that we can do to get in there and get our photographs.If Selley is right, and I have no reason to doubt it, then this ban is being imposed upon the MTA from on high regardless of the circumlocutions articulated in the public directives, ergo maybe the MTA *is* willing to find a way to work with us. (?) The MTA has been very accomodating to railfans what with all of the MOD and railfan trips, perhaps the correct approach to them will prevail. Here is the text of the proposed "ban"... "...No photograph, film or video recording shall be made or taken on or in any conveyance or facility by any person, except members of the press holding valid press identification cards issued by the New York City Police Department or by others duly authorized in writing to engage in such activity by the authority. All photographic activity must be conducted in accordance with the provisions of this Part." I have highlighted the sentence that I am interested in. My proposal: That the MTA might issue such photographic permits to railfans. The catch is to do it without hastle or cost to the MTA. Therefore, Let the Transit Museum handle this project. Allow members of the Transit Museum to purchace an annual photo permit for say $20.00. The permit, a laminated ID card can be clipped in a visible position while taking photographs on the property. Employees and Police will be able to recognize the card, and may ask to examine it. The holder's name and address can be vetted with the Transit Police prior to the issue of the card. What the heck, there is a TA Police Officer on duty in the Transit Museum, right? How hard is it for him to call in for an NCIC check once in a while. Officers do *that* all day long. With the card is a booklet that describes what rules the holders of the card must follow ie: no lights, flash or tripods; not to obsruct passageways or other commuters; what areas may not be photographed, etc. On the obverse side of the card is a list of phone numbers to each Transit Police precinct office. This appears to me to be a win - win - win situation. The hard-ons in Homeland Security get their rule. The die-hard rail phans get their photos. And the Transit Muesum gets increased membership for minimal effort. ++++++++++ I suggest a letter campaign to the Transit Museum, and to the MTA with polite letters supporting this policy. Kevin, what do you think? Doe this have a chance of sneaking past the jackboots? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 28 11:43:34 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by BIE on Sun Nov 28 11:20:26 2004.  but they will have DHS decoys taking pictures of trains, If they don't get hassled But those guys will be easy to spot. They will be the ones riding in black helicopters. |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Nov 28 11:45:11 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 28 11:43:34 2004. Who needs helicopters. land of the free-- HAhAHAhA |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 28 12:01:08 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 28 11:43:34 2004. Low bridge! Oops! My nose. :) |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Nov 28 12:02:37 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 28 12:01:08 2004. helicopters wouldnt do them any good in the subway 8-) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 28 12:04:36 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Nov 28 11:15:37 2004. What's even more amusing though is that once upon a time, "transit cops" worked FOR the Transit Authority. Now they're "regulars" who don't even know the horn signals of a conductor with "unruly geese" on board.Only reason why I stepped in this issue is that I'm sensitive to what happens when you let ONE right go byebye - there was nobody around raising a ruckus when USDOT said "get out of that cab if you don't have a pass number and no, that "ticket from the railroad wigs is unacceptable too" ... and that "no cab rides" even extended to the MTA. Still, if folks are going to try to fight this (and I think they should) it requires an UNDERSTANDING of all the angles and how to pick the right angles to play out. As the saying goes in Civil Service, "choose your battles wisely." |
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Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 28 12:12:40 2004, in response to Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 28 11:37:11 2004. It DOES indeed! *BRAVO!* You spotted the loony! :)To go back to the "chain of command" issues here - DHS wants risks lowered - NYS Department of Homeland Security (yes, there REALLY IS ONE, part of SEMO and NYSP) passed along guidelines, NYPD got a hardon and here we are. LEGITIMATELY, what they really want is "access control" here. This can be accomplished by having a handy database of what they really call "railfans" among law enforcement agencies ("loose wingnuts") with photographs of them (they prefer fingerprints, but that's a hard sell) of what was always called in the military "IFF" ("Identified Friend or Foe") ... Yeah, that WOULD work. The kids might not LIKE it, but that WOULD make everybody who's in a position to CONTROL happy I would expect. GOOD JOB! GREAT fallback position! |
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Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban |
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Posted by JohnL on Sun Nov 28 12:31:25 2004, in response to Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 28 12:12:40 2004. The other factor here is tourism. NYC is looking for tourist dollars. Has anyone noticed the irony that NYCT is running vintage trains on weekends between now and Christmas as a tourist attraction? (Oh, and if it works, will this be a regular seasonal event?) Don’t Dick and Jane from Iowa want their picture taken on the “cute, old train”?If police hassling tourists because of photobans starts to impact the NYC tourism industry, then we’ll start hearing protests that will reach the brains of those in charge! |
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Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Nov 28 12:34:37 2004, in response to Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by JohnL on Sun Nov 28 12:31:25 2004. 99%of the public don't know a Low-V from an R142. If they rode an old car, they'd be thinking G-d, what a POS. |
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Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 28 12:44:29 2004, in response to Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by JohnL on Sun Nov 28 12:31:25 2004. I don't think that the state OR the federal government gives a trainwhistle about that. Remember, the CITY lost its subway in 1968 when Rockefeller took it, the LIRR, NY Central and other "broke" railroads and created the (M)eatball ... while your argument is valid, "terrorism" is MUCH more important to them all than the sensibilities of tourists. "We GOT your money, don't let the door hit you in the ass" ... :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 28 12:51:05 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by BIE on Sun Nov 28 12:02:37 2004. Oh, if you revved it up, it'd probably manage to get 50 feet into the tunnel before bursting into flames. :) |
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Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sun Nov 28 12:54:11 2004, in response to Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 28 12:12:40 2004. I completely agree with Selkirk on this one! :) |
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Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sun Nov 28 12:54:12 2004, in response to Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 28 12:12:40 2004. I completely agree with Selkirk on this one! :) |
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Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 28 12:58:11 2004, in response to Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by JohnL on Sun Nov 28 12:31:25 2004. The other factor here is tourism. NYC is looking for tourist dollars. Has anyone noticed the irony that NYCT is running vintage trains on weekends between now and Christmas as a tourist attraction? (Oh, and if it works, will this be a regular seasonal event?) Don’t Dick and Jane from Iowa want their picture taken on the “cute, old train”? I *have* given thought to this. But boloney is cut one slice at a time. If they can agree to letting the Transit Museum handling the permits, then we can cut another slice. I suggested a guide book for photographers. People could buy this book for say $10.00, It might have some hints about taking photos in the subways, It might also point out several good "Photo Spots" The last page is a photo permit good for 10 days. "Just step over there to that nice police officer, and he will validate it for you." and "just let me staple this permit to your camera strap... There you go!... Have a nice visit to our city." |
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Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sun Nov 28 13:01:16 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 28 12:04:36 2004. I agree with ya, Selkirk. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 28 13:41:59 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Wayne on Sun Nov 28 09:58:20 2004. There's never been anything to explain, especially to a brainless moron like you. Now, if you have anything to add, bring it on. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Nov 28 14:22:23 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Wayne on Sun Nov 28 09:58:20 2004. Go FUCK yourself you scumbag. Its ASSHOLES like you that are the real weasels on this board |
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Posted by ®©® SIRTOA ®©® on Sun Nov 28 14:46:03 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Nov 28 14:22:23 2004. Yep. This FUCKING board is gonna last long. : (We need M O D S! m0ar mods! |
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Posted by ®©® SIRTOA ®©® on Sun Nov 28 14:46:41 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by ®©® SIRTOA ®©® on Sun Nov 28 14:46:03 2004. No offense to yu0 David, i mean the whole board in general. :( |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Nov 28 19:51:55 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by ®©® SIRTOA ®©® on Sun Nov 28 14:46:41 2004. None taken Chris. I didnt even think about what you said. But we really dont need moderators, just some people have this Peter Pan complex and need to grow up. |
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Posted by Flatbush41 on Sun Nov 28 20:17:16 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Bingham C50 on Thu Nov 25 16:02:47 2004. Please, let us all put aside our political and personal differences and join together to fight this thing.Thank you. This would affect all railfans as well as the general public. |
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Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Nov 28 21:46:39 2004, in response to Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by JohnL on Sun Nov 28 12:31:25 2004. Notice that the 45-day comment period expires just after the peak tourist season ends.Coincidence? I think not. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Nov 28 22:08:44 2004, in response to Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Nov 28 21:46:39 2004. And it expires after most 100th anniversary special trips and events will have been over. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Nov 28 22:41:31 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by ntrainride on Fri Nov 26 00:29:46 2004. I am in no way endorsing this position, merely restating some fears that were recently aired by some in the media. I for one would be terrified of such a prospect, which would indeed raise the threat of civil war. But we are really a pretty divided nation as it is. If we continue to be so intolerant of one another (the 'red' states versus the 'blue' states; among other factions), we may indeed begin the proverbial slide down the slippery slope. The current administration is not helping matters either.wayne-MrSlantR40 Not affiliated with any others of the same name. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 28 22:48:37 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Nov 28 19:51:55 2004. Amen ... the ONE thing that Dave Pirrman tried to get across that nobody got was "you don't NEED a mommy - if you don't like people, DON'T READ THEM and if you don't like a topic, DON'T FEED IT. Alas, nobody got that point - instead, the world made Unca Dave "MOMMY" and he SURE didn't appreciate it. :( |
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Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Nov 28 23:22:25 2004, in response to Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 28 11:37:11 2004. I HATE the idea of photo permits. I just don't like the idea of having to obtain permission to take a photograph of a publically visable and accessible passanger vehicle.Having said that... I could live with such a proposal for the forseeable future, providing: It financially benefits worthy and deserving organizations, such as the Transit Museum and the nation's trolley/rail/bus museums A premium version of the permit which would be valid nationally (i.e., other US transit systems), for a longer time period (2-3 years) for a slightly higher price A transit employees' version which would allow for the photographing of vehicles on transit property FOR STRICTLY PERSONAL, NON-COMMERCIAL, NON-PUBLISHABLE USE (depot, car barns) It is easy to apply for and renew every year, or two, or three (in person, via mail, or the Internet) Under those circumstances, I could live with such a proposal. Hey, if all else fails, let's give it a shot. |
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Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 28 23:39:11 2004, in response to Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by BMTLines on Sun Nov 28 22:08:44 2004. Heh. THANK YOU for answering the "cluephone!" Yep, YOU nailed the emperor. All of this (plus diversions like "Scott Petersen trials") are PRECISELY the Machievellian nature of political manipulation in the corporate media age (our motto, "no REALLY! We ARE the liberal press! Really - want a Krsna cookie?") ...And I've been watching for the past 26 hours of my shift, seeing the continuing missing of the POLITICAL points that would make a difference. Ah well ... looks like THIS dog's actually gonna hunt. Dumbass foamers. =( |
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Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 28 23:43:24 2004, in response to Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Nov 28 23:22:25 2004. A premium version of the permit which would be valid nationally (i.e., other US transit systems) That is another reason why I suggested the Transit Museum as the venue for issuing permits. Many Museums do cross honor memberships from similar museums. The Dakota Zoo honors memberships from other zoos (in their association) and provides a list of zoos that accept their memberships. It would be an easy matter for PATH or NJT to honor an NYC pass, and vice versa. Permits ought not be necessary, but if they are, then we need to get them out there and to the people that want them as soon as possible. The MTA would not be able to set something up this fast, but the Transit Museum could. Somebody could donate a computer, and more expensive would be the machine to print and laminate the passes. Somebody *could* donate one of these also. I think that NICE letters suggesting this might help. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 28 23:48:49 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Nov 28 22:41:31 2004. I know that I speak for most here when I say that I'm truly sorry that your disclaimer is necessary. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Nov 28 23:58:19 2004, in response to Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 28 23:43:24 2004. Lion, yours is one of the BEST proposals that I have seen here for dealing with this problem. Along with my suggestions for enhancing it, I believe it CAN and WILL be accepted by the people in power. It's all a matter of proper presentation.And they say there aren't any brains in our community. :-) |
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Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 29 00:13:55 2004, in response to Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Bingham C50 on Sun Nov 28 23:22:25 2004. There's STILL time to avert it if the photogs would get together, look through their collections, and come up with PICTURES that could contain a criminal act, a potential terrorist or "suspicious person" or such ... THAT as a justification for NOT enacting the rules is about the only chance you'll get.You'll have to *PAY* for a permit, "NYS style" ... if you've had to buy any "permit" lately, look at the average annual 50% a year hike in the "fee" (helllllllo! TAX! IMPUESTA!) for those permits. CASH FLOW ... it's just not panty piddling what is proposed, it's also REVENUE to the politicos. Yeah, I can go for THAT. :-\ WHERE'S THOSE DAMNED CRIME PHOTOS?!?!?! (it's the ONLY viable angle that can be sold to stop this) |
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Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Mon Nov 29 00:18:06 2004, in response to Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 29 00:13:55 2004. OK, fine, but what do you think of MY proposal? |
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Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 29 00:30:47 2004, in response to Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Bingham C50 on Mon Nov 29 00:18:06 2004. Oy ... well ... the GOOD news is that it's very nice. I'd love to see it happen. The BAD news however is that the MTA is a "State Authority" and only THEY will be able to issue any "passes" ... I've been up for 26 hours now, and need to get some sleep in the worst possible way. So lemme make it brief here ...There is a legal document in New York State called a "permit" ... any such "permits" are subject to the laws of public authorities in New York State. Those laws provide that any "revenue" generated through the issuance of permits (for those who drool, "user fees") be submitted to the state treasury in the account title of "GENERAL FUND" ... it means that any such "fees" can be deposited into an account that is drawn upon by Yonkers Construction, or an unemployment check to the "weasels," or any other purpose. State law would NEVER allow the Museum or any "liberal thing" to collect the funds - they go straight into legislative "member items" more likely to be spent on a CHEESE MUSEUM than on those poor MOD kids. I'm not trying to be a bastard, just explaining what really DOES happen with these things. If the ban goes in, AND the MTA decides to issue permits, that "W00t" will be saying, "Sure! *TAX* my ass!" *THAT* could very well be the GAME here. I see the cardboard box on the corner, I see the hand jive with those walnut shells. The *ONLY* question is whether there's a pea under ANY of them at all, or not. :) |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 29 01:37:52 2004, in response to Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 28 12:44:29 2004. My my. Guess dat ol' sky is fallin' down yet again! You know, once in a while, just once in a while, you could include a IMO in your posts, when it comes to pronouncements such as:"..."terrorism" is MUCH more important to them all than the sensibilities of tourists. "We GOT your money, don't let the door hit you in the ass" ... :(" See, if you don't admit that it's an opinion, don't come clean and explain that the above (and similar pronouncements) is a "strongly held personal pov of mine, not the summation of any sort of rigorous analysis of the implied question, so I'm speaking more from my heart than anything else.", I will continue to be leary of what you proclaim. Because really, number one, how would you know? You claim beau coupe knowledge on all sorts of topics; but you ain't any different than the rest of us hereabouts as far as opinions go...grain, salt, etc. Now, I, like anyone else, think that I'm just about perfect, thanks. But at least, most guys here have shown themselves to be willing to be wrong. That seems to be hard for you to admit... |
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Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 29 02:02:35 2004, in response to Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by ntrainride on Mon Nov 29 01:37:52 2004. I've come to learn lately (which is WHY I call him "President Bush" with proper respect, rather than "Shrub") that the American people give rainmen a run for the intellectual capital (as opposed to "political droppings") ... Election's OVER ... I don't care. "As ye sow, so shall ye reap." Sorry, "comfort break", I'm not partisan anymore - gave that up on election day. Now I'm simply an "explainer" with PERSONAL, "first person" experience in HOW politics (and its "political subdivisions") function. I HAVE no purpose in "political agenda - elections are now 2-4 years off, matters NOT.My personal "election phase" AS PROMISED, was written here on this board as the swearing of an oath. Nobody's going to get elected upon my thoughts, pro or con, the ACT is done. Horse, whip, dead, why bother? =) My OPINIONS died as of election day - I *did* try to get across many "what if's and this is how the Hindenburgh works, whoops") and I *still can't walk after two weeks, but that's another story. :) SERIOUSLY ... I'm *PAST* that all ... seriously. I live out in the STICKS. I ain't seen a politician in 5 years now when our MAYOR decided to run for "Town Supervisor" and WON. And as a republican, a mayor that got along with everybody turned into a "party prick" ... his ass is OURT next year as surely as you can google "politics soares albany machine defeat", HE DEAD. :) BEFORE the election, I had "opinion," that's my GOD given right as a CHRISTIAN and to hell with you, heh. But NOW, what POSSIBLE influence on the public's CONTROL of politicos could I have now? Nope. I'm MERELY trying to explain how to "inflate your date." (grin) |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Nov 29 12:07:44 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Nov 28 22:41:31 2004. I wish that it were not so.wayne-MrSlantR40 Not affiliated with any others of the same name. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Mon Nov 29 12:11:55 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 28 23:48:49 2004. Amen to that!!!Kind of scarey, isn't it? Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by Metal Management INC on Mon Nov 29 12:34:24 2004, in response to Re: Plan B: Co-opt the Ban. (was... Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 29 00:30:47 2004. And the vicious circle of NY Government will continue. You tax me I evade the tax. You fine me I pay the judge. You incarcerate me I live off the fat of the land. And, then when I'm out of jail, you hire me and I pledge allegience to Paturkey. |
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Posted by Flatbush41 on Mon Nov 29 13:29:51 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Fri Nov 26 15:00:34 2004. But the first step has now been taken."Until further notice," Gardner said, "no one will be summonsed for taking pictures in the subway." And those two other charges against D'Urso were dropped. Having your rights violated when you're not in the wrong should not be tolerated in any circumstance, that's my belief. I'm happy that Ms. D'Urso took a chance and fought for her right to photograph and get rid of that ridiculous fine. At least they realized; well for now anyway; that issuing a fine for doing something that is legal is uncalled for. |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Nov 29 14:28:47 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Flatbush41 on Mon Nov 29 13:29:51 2004. How does what happened 12 years ago apply to a situation where the MTA is going to specifically ban photos? |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Nov 29 14:34:02 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Allan on Mon Nov 29 14:28:47 2004. It does not apply. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Mon Nov 29 19:04:52 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Flatbush41 on Mon Nov 29 13:29:51 2004. Photography was against the rules when D'Urso took her pictures. |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Nov 29 20:39:40 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Wayne on Sun Nov 28 10:16:41 2004. wayne, PWN3D by BIE! |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Nov 29 20:51:05 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by BIE on Mon Nov 29 20:39:40 2004. Look we need to stop the BS and take action RIGHT NOW. I already did an email to CNN (see my earlier post) and made two seperate contacts to the news media. Lets hope what I said will mean something soon. |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Nov 29 21:16:13 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Nov 29 20:51:05 2004. Sounds good to me. CNN is good NATIONAL media. This IS NOT a NEW YORK THING, they want this all across america As the old song said If I can BAN it there, I can BAN it anywhere, IT'S UP TO YOU, NEW YORK, NEW YORK!!!! |
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Posted by Allan on Tue Nov 30 08:22:27 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by BIE on Mon Nov 29 14:34:02 2004. I know but I wanted to know why Flatbush41 brought it up for this situation. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 30 15:16:58 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Allan on Tue Nov 30 08:22:27 2004. It was because of this. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 30 15:35:07 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Fri Nov 26 15:00:34 2004. Thanks for fiding this. Great read! |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 30 15:44:59 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by Booge on Fri Nov 26 01:36:27 2004. All of those coffee (and other beverage) drinkers I see on the subway are going to be PO'ed when they get slapped with a NOV. |
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Posted by BIE on Tue Nov 30 15:53:34 2004, in response to Re: NYCTA moves forward with photo ban, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 30 15:44:59 2004. They mainly serve to support the ecosystem of the subway by providing the food source for the rats which occupy the highest tropic level in the subway.8-) 8-) 8-) |
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