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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 24 22:59:23 2025 https://www.yahoo.com/news/inside-mojave-desert-train-heists-110057385.html
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Tue Feb 25 02:25:15 2025, in response to Illegals stealing from trains, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 24 22:59:23 2025.* The thefts are very well organized. If the LA Times account is accurate, there is often "intelligence" from workers where the containers are handled in the portsand or warehouses. Not all of those workers are indocumentados. I am reminded of stories from the 70s-80s of trailers/containers already on wheels were being driven away from railyards in NJ by drivers who had been told exactly which ones to take. That level of organization requires "insiders" who are not recent arrivals. No justification here--just pointing out wide ranging corruption involved. For perspective, photos of containers of computer hardwar being shipped by rail from factories in Chengdu for distribution in Germany, Holland, and Spain, showed armed guards on board.
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Posted by Bill West* on Tue Feb 25 04:14:14 2025, in response to Re: Illegals stealing from trains, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Feb 25 02:25:15 2025.* Well put Jackson. My re-tile was going to be "Citizens buying stolen Nikes". Bet the buyers are politically 50-50 too. More constructively, I learned long ago to swap the people and viewpoints in an argument 180 degrees before coming to a conclusion. It tended to remove the natural emotional reactions and dig into the actual underlying facts. There's whole list of fallacies that people unwittingly let slip into their conversations. Getting them out would reduce the divisions amongst us. Bill
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Posted by Jersey Mike* on Tue Feb 25 08:14:58 2025, in response to Illegals stealing from trains, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 24 22:59:23 2025.* Because obviously American citizens can't be criminals. BTW learn how to code links, unless convincing people of your general ignorance is the point.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Feb 25 13:11:28 2025, in response to Re: Illegals stealing from trains, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Feb 25 08:14:58 2025.* Because obviously American citizens can't be criminals Very funny, fool.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Feb 25 14:03:20 2025, in response to Illegals stealing from trains, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 24 22:59:23 2025.* Some lefties on here don’t believe it was illegal aliens. Even the Associated Press doesn’t hide that fact. Thieves targeting freight trains in California and Arizona deserts make off with $2M worth of Nikes Thieves have targeted freight trains running through the deserts of California and Arizona in a string of audacious heists resulting in the theft of more than $2 million worth of new Nike sneakers, including many that haven’t hit the retail market yet, according to officials and court documents. In a Jan. 13 robbery, suspects cut an air brake hose on a BNSF freight train traveling through a remote section of Arizona and made off with more than 1,900 pairs of unreleased Nikes worth more than $440,000, according to a criminal complaint filed in federal court in Phoenix. Many of the shoes were Nigel Sylvester x Air Jordan 4s, which won’t be available to the public until March 14 and are expected to retail at $225 per pair, the complaint states. It was one of at least 10 heists targeting BNSF trains in remote areas of the Mojave Desert since last March that authorities are investigating, the Los Angeles Times reported. All but one resulted in the theft of Nike sneakers, according to investigators. Eleven people were charged in the Jan. 13 burglary with possessing or receiving goods stolen from interstate shipment. All 11 have pleaded not guilty and were all ordered detained until trial. Ten are Mexicans who were in the United States illegally. Another defendant is a Mexican citizen who was in asylum proceedings in the United States, authorities said in court records. The suspects in the Jan. 13 heist were caught with the help of tracking devices that were inside some of the boxes, the complaint says. In another case, a BNSF train came to an emergency stop near Hackberry, Arizona, on Nov. 20 after it started losing air, according to a complaint filed in the Phoenix federal court. Sheriff’s deputies in Mohave County stopped a white panel van seen leaving the area and found about 180 pairs of then-unreleased Air Jordan 11 Retro Legend Blue sneakers valued at $41,400, the complaint states. Two other cases in which BNSF freight trains were burglarized near Kingman and Seligman, Arizona, last year resulted in the theft of $612,000 worth of Nikes and eight arrests, according to federal criminal complaints. Thieves typically scout merchandise on rail lines that parallel Interstate 40 by boarding slow-moving trains, such as when they are changing tracks and opening containers, said Keith Lewis, vice president of operations at Verisk’s CargoNet and a deputy sheriff in Arizona. Lewis told the Times that the thieves are sometimes tipped off to valuable shipments by associates working at warehouses or trucking companies. In another case, authorities say a Mexican man who controlled crews that burglarized trains had scouts who would tip him off on trains to target, supplied vehicles, paid crews and facilitated the sale of stolen merchandise. The suspects are often aided by accomplices in “follow vehicles,” which track the rail cars. The loot is tossed off the train after it comes to a halt — either for a scheduled stop or because an air hose has been cut, according to Brynna Cooke, a Homeland Security Investigations special agent cited in affidavits filed in federal court. Thefts from cargo trains cost the nation’s six largest freight railroads more than $100 million last year because of a combination of the value of the stolen goods and the cost of repairs to railcars the thieves damaged, and the problem is getting worse in recent years as the thefts have become more organized and sophisticated. The Association of American Railroads trade group estimates that the number of thefts jumped roughly 40% last year to 65,000 nationwide. In 2022, thieves raided cargo containers aboard trains nearing downtown Los Angeles for months, taking packages belonging to people across the U.S. and leaving the tracks blanketed with discarded boxes of items deemed not valuable enough to steal. The audacious thefts prompted authorities and freight companies to step up security in the area. In 2015, thieves stole 111 guns after busting the locks off a train in a Chicago railyard. Railroads have invested millions in measures to help prevent such thefts, but it’s not like they can easily restrict access to the more than 140,000 miles of track they operate across the country. It crosses remote, rural areas and cuts through the heart of many cities carrying millions of shipments of everything from bulk commodities like coal and grain to raw materials like rock. The rail trade group said additional federal enforcement and tougher penalties are needed to deter the thefts. The railroads estimate that only about 1 out of every 10 theft attempts result in an arrest, and many of the people who are arrested are repeat offenders. One railroad even reported arresting the same individual five times in a single day. BNSF and the other major freight railroad that hauls goods across the western United States, Union Pacific, didn’t immediately respond to inquiries from The Associated Press about the thefts. BNSF said in a statement to the Times that its internal police force shares information with local law enforcement and prosecutors as appropriate. The company said its crews are instructed not to confront thieves, but to report the incidents instead. But the crews rarely encounter them, it said, because the trains are so long and the thieves take care to evade detection. Cargo thefts from trains, trucks and ships are a problem in shipping hubs all across the country and a focus of the FBI. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement estimates that cargo thefts at various points along the supply chain from ports to trains to trucks account for between $15 billion and $35 billion in losses every year. Many of the more organized groups target major shipping hubs like Los Angeles, Dallas, Memphis, Chicago and Atlanta.
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Tue Feb 25 14:15:33 2025, in response to Re: Illegals stealing from trains, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Feb 25 08:14:58 2025.* Illegal.
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Tue Feb 25 14:30:28 2025, in response to Re: Illegals stealing from trains, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Feb 25 08:14:58 2025.* lmao - dumb jersey mike has been pw3nd again.
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Tue Feb 25 14:32:39 2025, in response to Illegals stealing from trains, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 24 22:59:23 2025.* You should check out what goes on in the great country of mexico. It is common for containers to have the doors busted open. Various cars broken before they reach their destination. It's so bad, the trains have military nested on their trains. you know, normal stuff going on not far from your homeland. And no one pays attention, as though we were talking about something so far away.
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Posted by Bill West* on Tue Feb 25 14:48:50 2025, in response to Re: Illegals stealing from trains, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Feb 25 14:15:33 2025.* Your original post used to the "undocumented" definition that fits the word "illegals" in the thread title. Mike used the broader "unlawful" definition that fits the word "stealing" in the thread title. If you had read his post from a few directions you could have made a point here instead of a zero. This is what I've been trying to neutrally say the past week, weak arguments hurt a cause rather than help it. Bill
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Feb 25 14:56:59 2025, in response to Re: Illegals stealing from trains, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Feb 25 08:14:58 2025.* Nah, my way is better.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Feb 25 14:59:57 2025, in response to Illegals stealing from trains, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 24 22:59:23 2025.* My Journalism background came in handy! A little "spice" in the headline, it gets the people talking!
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Posted by Bill West* on Tue Feb 25 15:07:04 2025, in response to Illegals stealing from trains, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 24 22:59:23 2025.* Olog, Orange Blossom none of the replies denied the foreigners part of the original story. Nor that it happens elsewhere in the world. So you wasted a few shots into nowhere ....and others noticed your poor aim. You're making your cause look weak not strong. There's changes needed in our society ...work towards that with points that can stand up to critique. Bill
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Tue Feb 25 15:35:43 2025, in response to Re: Illegals stealing from trains, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Feb 25 14:32:39 2025.* "You should check out what goes on" By this I mean you should watch the videos of how the trains are done in Mexico. Except for the Train of Death of course.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Feb 25 16:08:20 2025, in response to Re: Illegals stealing from trains, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Feb 25 14:59:57 2025.* Nothing particularly spicy about an accurate descriptor. Just that the truth is "spicy" to the liberals.
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Tue Feb 25 16:14:00 2025, in response to Re: Illegals stealing from trains, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 25 14:03:20 2025.* As I cited prevbiously, the lA Times report suggested insider information as to which container to hit from employees at the loading/port facilities. Unlikely that ALL of those persons are without legal paperwork. That sdaid, anyone who is surprised that recent arrivals w/o papers would not be easy hires by criminal enterprises ... Of course, no one who entered the US w/false or non existent papers a century ago from "white" Europe ever participated in any criminal behaviors.
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Posted by alm* on Tue Feb 25 16:45:20 2025, in response to Re: Illegals stealing from trains, posted by Bill West on Tue Feb 25 14:48:50 2025.* weak arguments hurt a cause rather than help it. Not among a certain portion of the audience here. :)
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Posted by Train Dude* on Tue Feb 25 17:02:12 2025, in response to Re: Illegals stealing from trains, posted by alm on Tue Feb 25 16:45:20 2025.* You are clearly malignant narcissist.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Feb 26 01:11:46 2025, in response to Re: Illegals stealing from trains, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 25 16:08:20 2025.* Exactly!
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