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RULE 14L |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 10 17:38:11 2024 "Trains or engines approaching public highway grade crossings shall sound the horn at least 15 seconds, but no more than 20 seconds before the lead engine enters the crossing.The correct signal is LONG-LONG-SHORT-LONG. The last long is sounded just as the train or engine reaches the crossing. The question is why that particular signal. Would not one very long blast ot two long blasts sufice to alert people at or approaching the crossing? How many people actually know the correct 14L signal? |
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Re: RULE 14L |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 10 18:54:51 2024, in response to RULE 14L, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 10 17:38:11 2024. Our light rail and heavy rail trains in Denver blow their horns in that pattern at grade crossings except those that are double-gated, such as what is found on the W line. |
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Re: RULE 14L |
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Posted by Bill West on Wed Jul 10 20:04:43 2024, in response to Re: RULE 14L, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 10 18:54:51 2024. There's a whole list of signals for the loco whistle and the conductor's signal line from the coaches. When standing 2 toots for going forward, when running 2 toots to acknowledge 2 toots from the conductor. 3 toots for backing up, 4 toots is a call for signals from the crew on the ground. I need to re-read the book.One toot is reserved for stop because if any other part of the signal is lost or not heard then the safest action will be taken. That leaves our crossing signal as something other than a single blast. Oh and the last toot is more exactly before the crossing and continued until the crossing is occupied. Bill |
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Re: RULE 14L |
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Posted by sloth on Wed Jul 10 21:15:34 2024, in response to Re: RULE 14L, posted by Bill West on Wed Jul 10 20:04:43 2024. My copy of The Rights of Trains lists whistle indications as rules 14A through W, with only (F) and (M) missing. Rule 14M, one extremely long blast, is for approaching stations, junctions, and diamond crossings. It is no longer in the LIRR rule book.The "Rights" also says that the 14L may be prolonged or repeated until the crossing is reached, but I have never heard anyone blow a double 14L. Perhaps at very low speeds that would make sense. |
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Re: RULE 14L |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Wed Jul 10 21:24:17 2024, in response to RULE 14L, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 10 17:38:11 2024. The only reason I know about it is because of this board. So my guess would be not many people at all. |
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Re: RULE 14L |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 11 02:42:15 2024, in response to RULE 14L, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 10 17:38:11 2024. Although it wasn't required and I was probably the only BMT M/M who knew it, when approaching the E 105th St grade Xing in Canarsie I would blow the 14l mainline RR signal. |
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Re: RULE 14L |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jul 11 08:26:13 2024, in response to Re: RULE 14L, posted by sloth on Wed Jul 10 21:15:34 2024. Pretty common on the LIRR, a train leaving a station which is at a crossing, the engineer will give a courtesy horn ot one or two short blasts |
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Re: RULE 14L |
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Posted by Mr RT on Thu Jul 11 09:16:42 2024, in response to RULE 14L, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 10 17:38:11 2024. It's Morse Code for "Q", a salute to the Queen ! |
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Re: RULE 14L |
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Posted by Q65A on Thu Jul 11 09:46:39 2024, in response to Re: RULE 14L, posted by randyo on Thu Jul 11 02:42:15 2024. Nice! Did you ever see a lot of auto and/or pedestrian traffic at E 105 waiting for the gates to clear?I've heard 14 (g) (the PATH equivalent of Rule 14L in their rulebook) sounded by PATH engineers as they emerged from the portals east of Journal Square. |
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Re: RULE 14L |
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Posted by Q65A on Thu Jul 11 09:49:52 2024, in response to Re: RULE 14L, posted by Q65A on Thu Jul 11 09:46:39 2024. The 2000 edition of the PATH rulebook says this about their Rule 14 (g):"Approaching locations where men are on or about the tracks, at whistle markers, approaching stations where train will not stop and exiting tunnel portals." |
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Re: RULE 14L |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 11 21:12:07 2024, in response to Re: RULE 14L, posted by Q65A on Thu Jul 11 09:46:39 2024. By the time I became a M/M in late 1968, the auto roadway had already been closed in preparation for an industrial park, so the gates only had to be opened for passengers. Interestingly, the last place I worked as a towerman before becoming a M/M was the E 105th St gates. It was on the midnights and most of the time I kept the gates down so that trains could pass without interruption. I only had to open the gates for exiting passengers or if an entering passenger knocked on the bell that was on the gates to alert me to open them. |
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Re: Speaking of RULE 14L.... |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Fri Jul 12 09:55:11 2024, in response to RULE 14L, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 10 17:38:11 2024. whatever happened to the LONG SHORT, LONG SHORT call for police help? |
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Re: Speaking of RULE 14L.... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 12 09:57:21 2024, in response to Re: Speaking of RULE 14L...., posted by r17-6599 on Fri Jul 12 09:55:11 2024. Radios |
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Re: RULE 14L |
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Posted by Q65A on Fri Jul 12 10:35:30 2024, in response to Re: RULE 14L, posted by randyo on Thu Jul 11 21:12:07 2024. Thanks! |
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Re: Speaking of RULE 14L.... |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jul 12 13:45:06 2024, in response to Re: Speaking of RULE 14L...., posted by r17-6599 on Fri Jul 12 09:55:11 2024. The motor mentioned still do that. Now, the cops OTOH....hope that they aware enough to recognize it. |
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Re: Speaking of RULE 14L.... |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 12 14:36:11 2024, in response to Re: Speaking of RULE 14L...., posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Jul 12 13:45:06 2024. While I was working (now 10 1/2 years retired) a few cops told me they are no longer taught that in the academy.Yet at the same time Control Center told us to signal for police en-route. They couldn't care less if you got help or not. As long as the railroad kept moving. Except with a sick passenger. They got burned a few times. |
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Re: Speaking of RULE 14L.... |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jul 13 14:44:08 2024, in response to Re: Speaking of RULE 14L...., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 12 14:36:11 2024. They taught us that in Gold Street, we had to go there for 2 weeks after graduating the NYPD Police Academy, where we learned Transit-Specific stuff. We were taught that, safely walking the catwalks, walked the roadies, flashlight signals to the motor men, what the blue light mean, pulling the power, calling the 5wire (or 6wire) directly to Jay Street etc.... |
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Re: Speaking of RULE 14L.... |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jul 13 14:44:51 2024, in response to Re: Speaking of RULE 14L...., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 12 14:36:11 2024. Stupid autocorrect made roadbed "roadies" |
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Re: Speaking of RULE 14L.... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 13 15:47:52 2024, in response to Re: Speaking of RULE 14L...., posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jul 13 14:44:08 2024. 6 wire |
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