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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Mar 5 09:31:16 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 15:36:12 2018. Donald Trump is a very unusual person. A lot of people think he’s unfit to be our president 😥 |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 10:20:28 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by AlM on Sun Mar 4 17:56:15 2018. His hard evidence is between his legs.ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 10:25:31 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 10:20:28 2018. Heh. I wasn't actually referring to the sexual abuse claims against Trump. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 10:40:18 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Mar 4 18:30:14 2018. There is NO POPULAR vote in this country.There is NO NATIONAL ELECTION in this country. All elections are LOCAL. You are voting to determine if YOUR STATE will vote for Hillary or for the Donald. The STATES vote for the president, you do not do so, at least not directly. Remember we are a REPUBLIC not a Democracy. The mob (thank God) does not get to rule. Were it a purrfect situation all decisions would be made by the assembly of states as represented in the Senate and in the House of Representatives. And it used to be that Senators were appointed by the governors rather than elected. YOU might wish that we were a true democracy (I am glad we are not--I do not like mob rule), but it would take a Constitutional Convention to change this, and that WILL NOT turn out to your liking or mine. ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 10:43:07 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 10:40:18 2018. There is NO POPULAR vote in this country.There is NO NATIONAL ELECTION in this country. You are correct. And yet many of your conservative comrades here keep saying that the polls incorrectly predicted that Clinton would win the election. What they actually predicted is that the sum of all Clinton's votes would exceed the sum of all Trump's votes. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 10:44:28 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Mar 5 02:19:28 2018. If that were the case you would never get a young woman elected ever again.ROARING |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 10:48:15 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 4 19:44:31 2018. The kids were not coached, but they were not given free speech either. The way the media shaped the questions shaped the answers as well.The media should have covered the news and not stage-managed the event. Let the kids talk, then tell us what they said, with none of your maple syrup on it. ROAR |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 10:50:14 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 4 20:41:09 2018. You are making too much of the path of the tunnel. That is not what is driving up costs. Rebuilding the entire west end interlocking is very expensive don't matter where the tunnels surface, and you disregard what is costs to move the Empire Tunnel and access to West Side Yard. Penn Station South will also be costly, but the trajectory of the new tunnels is actually better suited for them. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 10:51:48 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Mar 4 16:11:31 2018. Koch Brothers also backed away from Walker when that idiot proposed building a wall along the Canadian border. I don't think that was entirely a coincidence. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 10:53:04 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by 3-9 on Sun Mar 4 22:53:31 2018. Interesting!ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 10:53:46 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by 600vdc on Sun Mar 4 20:45:22 2018. OK, My idiot is richer than your idiot.Does that make you happy. He also has a bigger BUTTON! |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 10:56:26 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 10:43:07 2018. Still and all, the statistical odds of what happened were very tiny, but they happened. Lost the popular by 3,000,000, but won the popular in just the right places by 78,000.But now the Republicans are worried about losing a SW Pennsylvanian rust belt house race, which may be why he is trying to start a tariff war. They think the Mon Valley steel mills are going to open again. Idiots. You can run a steel mil now with robots and 6 humans. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 10:57:42 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 10:53:46 2018. And a smaller DICK. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Mar 5 11:10:29 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 10:57:42 2018. I guess penis size in other males is of great importance to you. We get it. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 11:21:14 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 10:57:42 2018. *I* wouldn't know... I haven't been sucking it. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 5 11:29:52 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 10:56:26 2018. The Bethlehem Steel mill, once among the biggest of all the foundries in America, is now a casino and shopping mall. Trump thinks it's still 1950. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 11:34:56 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 11:21:14 2018. Oh right, that's McConnell, Ryans, and Wylbur Ross's blow job, uh, job. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Mon Mar 5 13:54:23 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 10:53:04 2018. Interesting!More like a Charlie Foxtrot. It provides limited redundancy to Amtrak movements and no redundancy to one third of the movements through the station. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 14:14:37 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 4 20:34:08 2018. You're making a ridiculous assumption that a slightly longer path costs billions more.It doesn't. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 14:16:17 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 5 11:29:52 2018. Yes, with all that went with it - sexism, segregation, and bigotry. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 15:54:25 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 5 11:29:52 2018. Who does a tariff tax anyway? A tariff on Chinese steel will be paid by the buyers in the USA, not the producers in China. Add the Tariff, double it, and Chinese steel will still be cheaper than US steel.We have used up most of our steel ore, but beyond that, steel production is modernized, and automated, even if we were to build or rather re-build a steel industry here there will be almost no workers in the mills. A few master's prepared engineers running the thing from a computer room. This is nothing new. I remember back in the 1960s seeing adverts in the subways... "What will you do when this circuit lears your job?" Well, Hello! That is where we are. there will be fewer and fewer good paying blue collar jobs in this country. You want work... Look toward the Service Sector. ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 16:09:34 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 15:54:25 2018. even if we were to build or rather re-build a steel industry here there will be almost no workers in the mills.But our fearless leader says that the purpose of the tariff is to bring back American jobs. If it's just to raise revenue, it's an extraordinarily inefficient way to do it, and will reduce global prosperity rather than enhance it. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 17:03:34 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 16:09:34 2018. You are so very correct. I do not support this. But, you really have to understand Trump. He will make a proposal like this, put every one in a tizzy, and then learn what their opinions are.Well the Donald is (and has to be) adamant about building the wall. And New York is adamant about new tunnels. Chuck E Schumer is going to have to capitulate on the wall if he wants a tunnel. And Donny is strong enough to make it work. ROAR |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Mar 5 17:22:50 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 16:09:34 2018. But our fearless leader says that the purpose of the tariff is to bring back American jobs.Our fearless leader talks out of his anal cavity. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 18:38:08 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 17:03:34 2018. Chuck E Schumer is going to have to capitulate on the wall if he wants a tunnel.HE ALREADY DID. Then Trump raised the ante. There is a fine phrase for describing Trump's negotiating style. It's called "negotiating in bad faith." |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 5 19:07:01 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 17:03:34 2018. The real problem is he doesn't honor agreements..Chuck caved on the wall bit.. but that wasn't good enough for him. He goes for the hard sell, and tries to humiliate you while doing so. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Mon Mar 5 19:37:34 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 10:51:48 2018. Just a question about this tunnel, why wasn't this tunnel ever evaluated years ago before any damage was caused by Sandy, surely there were at that time experts who made it evident that another tunnel would be needed and yet their warnings landed on deaf ears. Just wondering. Karl M |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Mon Mar 5 19:47:33 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 15:54:25 2018. Somewhat O/T:Jobs are not totally gone with steel mill automation. You still need highly reliable people to keep the automated mill running, and you need many people deeply familiar with whatever industrial process is at hand to automate it in the first place, then go back and troubleshoot/adjust/optimize the automation later. Many things don't get automated because a human can be better and cheaper than a robot, the robot's development, process changes, and possible dependence on an outside automation vendor who actually DGAF about your business. Steelmaking is an awesome process, in the original sense of that word. Talk about a dangerous job. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 20:04:19 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Steamdriven on Mon Mar 5 19:47:33 2018. Jobs are not totally gone with steel mill automation.True. Only 95% of them. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Mar 5 20:44:35 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Sand Box John on Mon Mar 5 13:54:23 2018. You can reduce the lack of redundancy by more than half by adding 1 switch. Still better than tearing up the leads to the Empire connection and West Side yards. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 5 22:04:57 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 10:56:26 2018. Um no. The day before the election, 538 gave Trump about a 30% chance of winning. That's not "tiny." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 5 22:06:43 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 20:04:19 2018. Of course, the Appalachian opiate addicts who long for the jobs that will never return are almost entirely unqualified for those 5% of jobs that remain. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 22:42:47 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Steamdriven on Mon Mar 5 19:47:33 2018. Humans could be cheaper than robots, but never stronger. And robots are dependent on humans for servicing. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Mar 5 22:53:53 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project''?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 22:42:47 2018. And humans pay taxes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 6 00:52:40 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 20:06:39 2018. BUMP |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 6 07:36:50 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by 3-9 on Mon Mar 5 20:44:35 2018. You can reduce the lack of redundancy by more than half by adding 1 switch. Still better than tearing up the leads to the Empire connection and West Side yards.If that was the thinking behind the schema's original intension, then why bother. Might as well have built the new New Jersey Transit facility at Pennsylvania Station like the new Long Island Railroad facility at Grand Central Terminal. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 6 07:53:53 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 10:50:14 2018. You are making too much of the path of the tunnel. That is not what is driving up costs. Rebuilding the entire west end interlocking is very expensive don't matter where the tunnels surface, and you disregard what is costs to move the Empire Tunnel and access to West Side Yard. Penn Station South will also be costly, but the trajectory of the new tunnels is actually better suited for them.Your thinking is both short term and two dimensional. I am am thinking long term as in 100 years and more into the future. Two dimensional as in boring both tunnels under the West side Yard leads and placing track 3 tunnel next to (theres is plenty of room) then under the Empire connection. Like the old Fram Filter saying goes, "You can pay me now or pay me latter". John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 6 08:55:30 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project''?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Mar 5 22:53:53 2018. Unless they're on welfare. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 6 09:18:55 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 5 22:04:57 2018. Almost nobody understands correlation. Sadly, not even Nate Cohn of the NY Times Upshot column. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 6 10:10:23 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 16:09:34 2018. Fearless leader? LOL as opposed to our former "feckless leader"? |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 6 10:14:25 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 14:16:17 2018. Ah yes, the parts that appeal to you. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Mar 6 10:47:47 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Mon Mar 5 19:37:34 2018. This has been done every year since 1950. Or at least that is the WAG of the LION.BTW: Did you know that there are LEOPARDS in New York City? ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Mar 6 10:49:23 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Steamdriven on Mon Mar 5 19:47:33 2018. Yes, but the workers that are left will have degrees in engineering, and will not be high school drop outs or even high school graduates.Stay in School! ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Mar 6 10:50:22 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project''?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 5 22:42:47 2018. But robots do not need salaries, lunch breaks, pensions, heath care et.al.ROAR |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Mar 6 12:46:10 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project''?, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Mar 6 10:50:22 2018. But the human(s) that service & maintain them do. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Mar 6 14:52:24 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project''?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Mar 6 12:46:10 2018. Sure, but that is 100 employees not 10,000 employeesROAR |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 6 15:53:28 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project''?, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Mar 6 10:50:22 2018. Oh, but they do need down time.And if they flame out on the job, it won't necessarily be other robots putting in the replacement robot either. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Mar 6 16:58:16 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Mar 6 10:47:47 2018. They showed up at the Garden from time to time. First name DEF! |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 6 17:49:57 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 6 07:53:53 2018. The project needs to be made cheaper. You are making a mess of the Empire Tunnel and West Side Yard leads. That will make the project even more expensive. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 6 18:05:01 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Mar 6 10:49:23 2018. I suppose they'll be a few janitors and cafeteria workers. |
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