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The East 177th Street killing spree continues |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Sep 28 00:33:35 2005 It's gone from the station signs! It's gone from the subway maps! And now, coming to a (6) line strip map near you, it's the black strip of censorship! Gee, you'd think the MTA was trying to HIDE something from us! Yet oddly enough, Jessica Ettinger still thinks East 177th Street exists. On a similar note, the strip maps on the (2)(4)(5) and (6) have now been "covered" by black sticker "replacements" about three or four times now, and it's starting to look rediculous. The black replacements are a good temporary measure, but c'mon! At this point, with the subway system back to "normal" service, and no changes coming for the forseeable future, I'd say it's about time the MTA orders some fresh new strip maps that are up to date. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Sep 28 00:46:26 2005, in response to The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Sep 28 00:33:35 2005. Actually, since the black strips do the job, why spend money to replace perfectly good strip maps.You know, in the old days, when the northern destination for the PCCs on the McDonald Avenue Line was changed, they sewed a new reading on top of the older. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Sep 28 00:50:54 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by SLRT on Wed Sep 28 00:46:26 2005. Actually, since the black strips do the job, why spend money to replace perfectly good strip maps.Only because the more "cover panels" you pile on, the more obvious it looks that the original map has been covered up four or five times. And with some of the larger panels, they're sometimes placed off center, and or at an angle, and then things look REALLY weird. |
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Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Sep 28 01:06:05 2005, in response to The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Sep 28 00:33:35 2005. True, then again eventually the more they do it then they'd have to print new maps. Better to do it when a number of corrections are made rather than to reprint all the maps and paste it on the interiors.Eyesore, yes. Cheaper, of course! |
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Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues |
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Posted by South Ferry on Wed Sep 28 01:54:40 2005, in response to The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Sep 28 00:33:35 2005. and they're doing this because...........?? |
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238th Street killing spree may be halted |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k5 on Wed Sep 28 02:15:01 2005, in response to The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Sep 28 00:33:35 2005. And 238th Street isn't doing much better, although it has a shot at being brought up at the next Parks and Recreation meeting to be officially restored(it passed through CB12 earlier this year). Hopefully MTA will leave the 238 canopies alone for another 6-7 months allowing for 238 to be brought up to the council and be officially restored(whenever it makes it there, co-namings can take forever to get passed). |
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Re: 238th Street killing spree may be halted |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Sep 28 02:17:03 2005, in response to 238th Street killing spree may be halted, posted by TheGreatOne2k5 on Wed Sep 28 02:15:01 2005. Totally seperate topic: here he is talking about 177th on the strip map, NOT the station itself. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k5 on Wed Sep 28 02:37:19 2005, in response to The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Sep 28 00:33:35 2005. MTA however still keeps Parkchester-E 177 St on the 6 train timetable and 177 ST-PARKCHESTER on the token booth.Ordering new strip maps will probably mean a larger fare hike in 2007 ;). Meanwhile there are some more obsolete names(one even much more obsolete than 177) on the 6 strip map that aren't being removed. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Sep 28 05:48:02 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by South Ferry on Wed Sep 28 01:54:40 2005. East 177th Street no longer exists over there. |
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Re: 238th Street killing spree may be halted |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Sep 28 05:49:34 2005, in response to 238th Street killing spree may be halted, posted by TheGreatOne2k5 on Wed Sep 28 02:15:01 2005. The new Bronx-bound track identification signs at 125 Street now say:To Woodlawn, Dyre Avenue, or Nereid Avenue |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Sep 28 09:58:19 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by TheGreatOne2k5 on Wed Sep 28 02:37:19 2005. Morrison-Sound View Avs? |
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Posted by South Ferry on Wed Sep 28 10:08:55 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Sep 28 05:48:02 2005. no wye. |
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Re: 238th Street killing spree may be halted |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Sep 28 10:42:46 2005, in response to Re: 238th Street killing spree may be halted, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Sep 28 02:17:03 2005. They can censor the 238th Street portion of the 2/5 strip maps and leave it as Nereid Ave.Also on far north end of S/B side, the "other" wooden structure in the entire NYCT system might be gone too. And start saying goodbye to the original mezzanine entrance at Gun Hill/WPR station. A new headhouse entrance now faces the north side of Gun Hill, in front of the current (and soon to be abandoned) 3rd Ave el entrance. |
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Re: 238th Street killing spree may be halted |
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Posted by South Ferry on Wed Sep 28 10:46:46 2005, in response to Re: 238th Street killing spree may be halted, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Sep 28 10:42:46 2005. 238 still exists on the wesside. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 28 11:17:18 2005, in response to 238th Street killing spree may be halted, posted by TheGreatOne2k5 on Wed Sep 28 02:15:01 2005. Names come and go. The 2 train doesn't stop at 163rd St, it stops at Intervale Ave. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 28 11:18:09 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Sep 28 09:58:19 2005. What's obsolete about that? |
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Posted by Allan on Wed Sep 28 11:31:00 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 28 11:18:09 2005. Nothing.It used to be known only as Soundview Avenue. The Morrison part was added in the 1980's (I think). |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k5 on Wed Sep 28 16:17:31 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 28 11:18:09 2005. Soundview Avenue was cut off by a block from the station when the Bronx River Parkway was built(Soundview used to end at the station, it ends a block earlier now) |
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Re: 238th Street killing spree may be halted |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k5 on Wed Sep 28 16:19:45 2005, in response to Re: 238th Street killing spree may be halted, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Sep 28 05:49:34 2005. they may have to change some of those back... |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k5 on Wed Sep 28 16:25:49 2005, in response to Re: 238th Street killing spree may be halted, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 28 11:17:18 2005. Doesn't count since Intervale was the original name(163 was added later to the station). 163 St is a block south of Westchester Av where Intervale Av is. Although the reference was removed, the street was untouched. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Sep 28 17:27:36 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by Allan on Wed Sep 28 11:31:00 2005. It used to be known only as Soundview Avenue. The Morrison part was added in the 1980's (I think).Hello Chrystie:  |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Sep 28 18:11:51 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Sep 28 17:27:36 2005. Since that map was created in 1996, we can't exactly take it as authoritative that it was called Morrison-Soundview in 1967. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Sep 28 18:15:03 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by American Pig on Wed Sep 28 18:11:51 2005. Especially since Morris(s)on is mis(s)pelled on that map. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Sep 28 18:19:34 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by American Pig on Wed Sep 28 18:11:51 2005. This map was created in 1967, and it's Morrison Av-Sound View Av. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 28 18:58:34 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by American Pig on Wed Sep 28 18:11:51 2005. I have a '66 map which says Soundview Ave. only. My 1972 map has both names. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Sep 28 23:12:00 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by TheGreatOne2k5 on Wed Sep 28 16:17:31 2005. Morrison Avenue has been part of the platform signage at least as far back as 1968, which is the first time I visited that line.= Morrison-Sound View Av = wayne |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Sep 29 00:21:40 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Sep 28 18:19:34 2005. That's a hard-to-come-by map, with the NX. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Thu Sep 29 05:30:47 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by South Ferry on Wed Sep 28 10:08:55 2005. Huh? |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Thu Sep 29 05:37:39 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Sep 28 23:12:00 2005. It looks like we're getting toward an accurate date for "Morrison-". It's not on the 1966 map. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Thu Sep 29 05:38:12 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Sep 28 18:19:34 2005. Looking at the Jamaica-end of the (JJ)(QJ) and (RJ) lines, it shows these as the last four stops:Queens Boulevard Sutphin Boulevard 160 Street 168 Street Er-wha? Is that the old el? And it used to go that far? I have no idea where the Queens Boulevard station would be...the Sutphin Boulevard station is now Sutphin Boulevard - Archer Avenue, the 160 Street station I guess would be Jamaica Center - Parsons Boulevard, but then it keeps going and going.... |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Thu Sep 29 06:20:16 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by G1Ravage on Thu Sep 29 05:38:12 2005. The Jamaica Avenue el ran along Jamaica Avenue, not Archer Avenue. |
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Posted by MJF on Thu Sep 29 08:00:15 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by G1Ravage on Thu Sep 29 05:38:12 2005. Queens Blvd & Jamaica Avenue. Queens Blvd ends there. The el continued east along Jamaica Avenue to 168th Street. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 29 08:04:32 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Sep 28 18:15:03 2005. Especially since Morris(s)on is mis(s)pelled on that map....as is "Kosciuszko" St mispelled too (Kosiciusko). But then again, I believe this is the first time in quite a while that both the map and the station signage actually agree on the spelling of "Kosciuszko St". There are about three or four versions of that spelling, and just about all of them have been alternated on the station signage and the maps, most of the time not at the same time! I remember occasionally the signs within the station itself sometimes had different spellings! (At least it didn't say, "Kosciosko-Brodaway", and it's not in "Williamsburgh" - haha). But anyway, they seem to finally have settled it: 
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Sep 29 08:05:46 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by G1Ravage on Thu Sep 29 05:38:12 2005. You wouldn't believe it looking at the neighbohood now. But the Queens Blvd stop on the J line was at Queens Blvd and Jamaica Avenue.And yes the J line used to travel to 168 Street/Jamaica Avenue. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 29 08:08:32 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by G1Ravage on Thu Sep 29 05:38:12 2005. You forgot the Metropolitan Ave station. That was originally the next stop after 121st St along the Jamaica AVe el. When the Archer extention first opened in 1988, I remember riding through on the new alignment, and seeing the trucated el over Jamaica Ave in the distance, and the abandoned Metropolitan Ave station. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Sep 29 08:09:42 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Sep 29 08:05:46 2005. And before someone asks, G1Ravage couldn't imagine where the J line went after 121 Street. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 29 08:11:42 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 29 08:08:32 2005. If you want to see photos of the old Metro Ave, QUeens Blvd, Sutphin, 160th, or 168th St stations over Jamaica AVe, click this link, and scroll down to them at the bottom. The stations looked identical to all the other current Jamaica AVe stations in design (except the terminal at 168th ST).http://www.nycsubway.org/lines/jamaica.html |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Sep 29 08:19:48 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by SLRT on Thu Sep 29 00:21:40 2005. I have that map. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Sep 29 08:20:27 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Sep 29 08:05:46 2005. I remember it well. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 29 08:21:11 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Sep 29 08:19:48 2005. As do I. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 29 09:30:41 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Sep 28 17:27:36 2005. Two questions about that map...Where's the KK train? And, why is the JJ running to both Rockaway Pkway and Jamaica? |
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Posted by appohsmit on Thu Sep 29 09:54:17 2005, in response to The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Sep 28 00:33:35 2005. have now been "covered" by black sticker "replacements" about three or four times now, and it's starting to look rediculous. The black replacements are a good temporary measure, but c'mon! At this point, with the subway system back to "normal" service, and no changes coming for the forseeable future, I'd say it's about time the MTA orders some fresh new Next time you're in Washington DC, look at the labels on the brown pylons in the Union Station metro station. You can see where "Visitor's Center" was covered up 25 or so years ago. (It was barely accurate in 1976.) Every so often some vandal peels away the covering, and a few days later it gets covered back up. So "temporary" coverings can go on for decades. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Sep 29 11:05:03 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 29 09:30:41 2005. And, why is the JJ running to both Rockaway Pkway and Jamaica?From the Service Guide: *Mon.-Fri. during rush hours, some trains operate between Atlantic Av and Rockaway Parkway via the Canarsie Line. Where's the KK train? See above. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 29 11:21:42 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Sep 29 11:05:03 2005. Thanks, I have that map, I have to pull it out when I get a chance. I could swear it had the KK on it. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Thu Sep 29 15:56:51 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 29 08:11:42 2005. Wow...I had no idea. o.oAnd so recently, too... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 29 16:32:46 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by G1Ravage on Thu Sep 29 15:56:51 2005. Yeah, when we think of "abandoned els", we all usually only think of the ones with the "old" trains, and old look....Jamaica's El abandonment was a relatively "recent" event in the scheme of things. Jamaica Ave's el was a normal, everyday el, and if you take paint over the grafitti on the stations, and clean the train, this "could" have been almost have been taken "today", in most J stations we are used to: Sutphin Blvd Station:  160th Street Station:  The stations even had the signs we are all used to: 
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Posted by Tea Biscuit 18th Avenue Dude on Thu Sep 29 16:40:55 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 29 16:32:46 2005. You forgot the incadescent lighting still in use during the time those pictures were taken (look at the last picture....notice the old-style "dish" lamps?) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 29 20:24:09 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by Tea Biscuit 18th Avenue Dude on Thu Sep 29 16:40:55 2005. Actually, that type of lighting lasted into the early 90's on the M line el, and into the late 90's on the Broadway El. I think Jamaica El got it around the time of the Archer Extention opening in the late 80's. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Thu Sep 29 22:05:40 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 29 16:32:46 2005. Well then, if the Archer Avenue extension was meant to be a replacement for the demolished el, then why did they only build it as far as Parsons Boulevard? There are layup tracks east of the station that go a good distance further. |
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Posted by vengence on Thu Sep 29 22:19:35 2005, in response to Re: The East 177th Street killing spree continues, posted by G1Ravage on Thu Sep 29 22:05:40 2005. This was only the first phase of the project ..before the rug was pulled from under it.The MTA really didn't WANT to finish the lines...but did so anyway to aviod the repayment to the FTA [UMTA back then]. |
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