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Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 23 15:32:22 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 23 14:56:26 2017. " If it's too complex for you to understand, just say so."This is the demeaning attitude I will no longer respond to. You have no understanding of capital. Capital gain is not a subsidy. The RR took the risk with the land that was now theirs. They keep the gain, no different than a homeowner buying a distressed property and improving it. The capital gain does not go back to the seller, who is out of the picture. Again, I am done with you. You are a demeaning asshole. |
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Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Mar 23 15:37:01 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 23 13:45:06 2017. Actually, it is a public authority created by interstate compact, specifically authorized by Congress, it has rights and privileges in 2 states. it is not taxed, and it can issue tax free bonds. It has no authority to levy taxes, but sure rakes in the bucks from tolls, user fees, and rents. |
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Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 23 15:43:52 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Thu Mar 23 15:37:01 2017. PA = Parking Authority. |
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Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 23 16:06:37 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 23 15:32:22 2017. You have no understanding of capital. Capital gain is not a subsidy.Yes, but you have a fairly vague understanding of what capital gains actually are. I already tried to explain the concept to you, but you seem to be having trouble with it. Try again: Suppose a stock has a value of $10 today. I purchase one share $10. Next week, the value is $20, so I sell it for $20. Question 1: What is my net profit? Question 2: Did I get something for nothing (ie, a subsidy)? Now suppose a stock has a value of $10 today. The government takes one share from Steve and gives it to me for free. Next week, the value is $20, so I sell it for $20. Question 1: What is my net profit? Question 2: Did I get something for nothing (ie, a subsidy)? Now suppose a piece of real estate owned by Steve has a value of $1 million today. The government takes it from Steve (without compensation) and gives it to me for free. I spend $100,000 making improvements to it, which increases its value to $1.2 million. I then sell it for $1.2 million. Question 1: What is my net profit? Question 2: Did I get something for nothing (ie, a subsidy)? The RR took the risk with the land that was now theirs. Yes, but the land was "theirs" because they got it for free. That's called a "subsidy." I refer you to the third lesson above: Now suppose a piece of real estate owned by Steve has a value of $1 million today. The government takes it from Steve (without compensation) and gives it to me for free. I spend $100,000 making improvements to it, which increases its value to $1.2 million. I then sell it for $1.2 million. When I spend $100,000 to improve the property, I have no guarantee it will actually improve the value by twice that amount. I'm taking a risk— my improvements could leave the property's value unchanged (in which case I'd be out the $100,000) or it could even damage the property and reduce its value. Or the real estate market could take a dive while the improvements are being carried out, leaving my property with a value of only $600,000. But the risks I take investing the $100,000 into the property don't change the fact that I got the property itself for free. They keep the gain, no different than a homeowner buying a distressed property and improving it. Except the point, which you consistently fail to grasp, is that the railroads didn't buy the property in the first place. They got it for free. See my example above; if the previous owner gives me a distressed property for free and I improve it, I can legitimately claim the value of the improvements as a capital gain, but it doesn't change the fact that the property itself was a gift. That I improved the property to make it more valuable doesn't erase the fact that I got it for free. Again, I am done with you. You are a demeaning asshole. And this is why SubChat's masculinity culture is so toxic. That you are proven wrong is considered inherently demeaning, but no matter how often you proclaim your desire to leave, you never actually do. You can't. Because if you leave, you submit yourself to the "shame" of having been proven wrong. Your only hope is to continue spewing gibberish in the hope that I get bored and leave, so that you can pretend my departure is a concession and convince yourself that you were totally right all along. Bad news: I have a cold. I'm laid up in bed with nothing else to do but distract myself with completely mindless entertainment. I could do this all day (and probably tomorrow too). |
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Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 23 16:40:51 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 23 16:06:37 2017. Socially dysfunctional foamer.Nothing more need be said. |
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LION:NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Mar 23 17:47:09 2017, in response to NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 12 22:56:47 2017. LION has looked at the issue.Results of LION'sS deep and penetrating examination (15 minutes on google) USE THE OLD STATION Most trains are AMTK albeit only 1 west of BFFLW which would require reverse moves to continue to/from west. With Old station, a shuttle train could run between Airport, Station and Downtown. Shuttle train will develop neighborhoods CAnal Station will knot. Old building knead knot, at least knot with station budget. Let someonte else develop that. Taking that old building out of the picture, the cost will be rather modest to build a new AMTK station, AND that station has much more room for rail development. IE... NYS funded trains BUF-> ALBY et NYC Has space to receive and hold increased traffic. Uest to handle 200 trains per day If we get 20 in there we will be lucky, but it would be a cornerstone for reginal transport. Trains from elsewither can konekt to AMTK which they have no service for now. ROAR |
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Re: LION:NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 23 17:58:55 2017, in response to LION:NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Mar 23 17:47:09 2017. See my post that Downtown (Exchnage St replacement) is cheaper than Central Terminal.Lake Shore Ltd cannot go downtown. Depew is fine. |
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Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 23 17:59:37 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 23 16:40:51 2017. And now we've reached the point where you're not even trying to argue your case. You've been reduced to indignantly declaring: "THE FACT THAT YOU'RE RIGHT PROVES YOU HAVE NO LIFE!"In the kindergarten playground of SubChat, it's how the kids admit they're wrong. |
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Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 23 18:51:23 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 23 17:59:37 2017. I never said you are right. Equating a capital gain to a subsidy just because the original price was $0 is wrong, Period.Your condescending, self-righteous attitude shows who the toddler is here. I have determined you are too infantile and too incompetent to argue with, and am no longer reading your long, demeaning sermons. |
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Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 23 19:37:32 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 23 18:51:23 2017. Even worse, he thinks he's funny. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 23 19:49:30 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 23 19:37:32 2017. He's not. Just a legend in his own mind.I don't set out to attack people, but some people give me no choice. |
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Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 23 20:30:36 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 23 18:51:23 2017. Equating a capital gain to a subsidy just because the original price was $0 is wrong, Period.So if the market value is $10 and the government gives it to me for $0, that's not a subsidy? Seriously, you need to learn what that word means. You're really making a fool of yourself. 1, 1 A, A and am no longer reading your long, demeaning sermons. Ooh, the "I'm responding to your post to say I never even read it" routine. Classic. Nothing demonstrates aloof superiority quite like indignantly declaring: "It's very important to me that you know I don't care about you at all!" I know these "debates" are very formulaic, but you're really aiming for SubChat Argument Bingo here. |
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Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 23 20:30:42 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 23 19:49:30 2017. He's not. Just a legend in his own mind.And now you run away to commiserate with one of your fellow crazies and moan about how mean and horrible I am for proving you wrong. I seriously need to make a SubChat Argument Bingo card because you've probably ticked ALL the boxes by now. I don't set out to attack people, but some people give me no choice. Let's go back in this thread and take a closer look at this one. It started when I made an innocuous factual statement about the history of transportation. And you responded by insulting me. Thus confirming that you're a petty little pissant who started a fight, got owned, and is now desperately trying to recover even the slightest scrap of dignity afterwards. See, there's no point in lying about stuff you posted when I can just, you know, link back to it. |
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Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Mormon in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 23 23:26:04 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Motorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 16 15:24:12 2017. No, he doesn't. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 24 19:18:36 2017, in response to Re: LION:NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 23 17:58:55 2017. Central Terminal would have replaced both stations - so "cheaper" is relative. Yes it is cheaper but they would still need to staff two stations. Larkinville would have been a better option as it was close enough to downtown and could handle all trains. I guess it was more costly than even Central Terminal to pull off. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 24 19:24:44 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 23 13:45:22 2017. The point there is that the gas taxes in Europe cover the cost of road maintenance, whereas they do not here.Canada also has a higher gas tax which pays for the roads, but not fully. It's part of the three reasons Canadians prefer to travel between Canadian cities via the US (1. Cheaper gas. 2. Better roads. 3. Roads aren't desolate and no areas with 50+ miles between gas stations). Thus, our road subsidies are helping Canadian commerce :). |
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Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 24 19:39:46 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 24 19:24:44 2017. Like wise, I always see Canadians on the Empire Builder going from places like Regina to Vancouver. They drive down to Amtrak, then head back up. An over-priced, thrice weekly VIA Rail Canadian on the CN further north doesn't cut it. |
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Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 24 19:43:40 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 24 19:24:44 2017. The point there is that the gas taxes in Europe cover the cost of road maintenance, whereas they do not hereThe roads are abysmal in Europe, so that money (as high as 60-70 percent of the price at the pump in some countries, which is immoral) is going into someone's pockets. Never mind their charging tolls on top of those taxes, on the motorways. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 24 19:59:50 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 24 19:43:40 2017. I don't think the Germans would say that about the Autobahn. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 26 02:14:11 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 24 19:39:46 2017. Like wise, I always see Canadians on the Empire Builder going from places like Regina to Vancouver.How often do you ride the Empire Builder? They drive down to Amtrak, then head back up. Funny, I make a point of traveling up to VIA and heading back down. The Builder is OK, but the Canadian is better than anything Amtrak runs. An over-priced... OK, I'll give you that one. Yeesh. Figures I had to travel when the Canadian dollar was extra expensive. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 26 02:14:13 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 24 19:43:40 2017. The roads are abysmal in EuropeLOL, no. You've clearly never been to Europe. (as high as 60-70 percent of the price at the pump in some countries, which is immoral) How is that immoral? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 26 06:53:18 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 23 02:08:52 2017. i ain't jumping into this...and i'm not saying it maliciously...but here's one totally unavoidable truth: if the land wasn't taken, we wouldn't be around to bitch about the land being taken.only way around it is...we kill ourseves or, if we have a house, go out west, find us some injun family somewhere and give it to them. or we can just...live with it. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 26 07:17:37 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 23 13:44:32 2017. ok, i'm jumping in. succinctly, i hope."subsidy" is a slippery notion.. 1. we all stand upon the shoulders of giants. that's a subsidy. 2. the "will of the people" enables the "government" to provide for our defense from without...and within. that's a subsidy. 3. this basic setup encourages people with lots of money to set up businesses along the railroad property. this puts citizens to work. thats a subsidy. 4. the national railroad grid gave the young country an enhanced sense of purpose and a positive outlook for the future. thereby strenthening it. that's a subsidy. and so on. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 26 07:44:47 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 23 20:30:39 2017. holy crap.seriously...well, you just defined what "overkill" means. and i'm not even taking "sides" here. no offense meant. but that last post kinda reminded me of this... |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 26 07:46:37 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 23 20:30:39 2017. holy crap.seriously...well, you just defined what "overkill" means. and i'm not even taking "sides" here. no offense meant. but that last post kinda reminded me of this... |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 26 07:46:54 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 26 06:53:18 2017. i ain't jumping into this...and i'm not saying it maliciously...but here's one totally unavoidable truth: if the land wasn't taken, we wouldn't be around to bitch about the land being taken.Only in the butterfly-effect sense that making massive-scale changes hundreds of years ago would change the course of history to the point where no one currently alive would ever have been born. We are, after all, the product of so many contingencies. Hell, if you'd convinced every single person who had sex in the 1680s to do so in a slightly different manner (say, starting 3 seconds later), then we wouldn't be around. only way around it is...we kill ourseves or, if we have a house, go out west, find us some injun family somewhere and give it to them. Why them? It wasn't their personal land that was taken. Better option: We pay reparations for the atrocities that still-living people have suffered, we commit to not being dicks in the future by, say, poisoning their water for the benefit of a few billionaire oil barons, and we have the schools teach real American history, not the sanitised version that skips all the genocide. And maybe arrest the people responsible for the "boarding schools." That was a form of genocide that didn't end until the late 90s, so some of the people who committed it are still alive. or we can just...live with it. It's easy to live with it when you're not the one being killed by it. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 26 07:51:22 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 26 07:17:37 2017. "subsidy" is a slippery notion..Not really. A subsidy is when the government gives money or other value to an industry for the purpose of keeping it in business despite unprofitability or to keep its prices low artificially. That's a pretty succinct definition. 1. we all stand upon the shoulders of giants. that's a subsidy. No it isn't. 2. the "will of the people" enables the "government" to provide for our defense from without...and within. that's a subsidy. No it isn't. 3. this basic setup encourages people with lots of money to set up businesses along the railroad property. this puts citizens to work. thats a subsidy. No it isn't. 4. the national railroad grid gave the young country an enhanced sense of purpose and a positive outlook for the future. thereby strenthening it. that's a subsidy. No it isn't. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 26 07:53:01 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 26 07:44:47 2017. seriously...well, you just defined what "overkill" means.With Olog, that's not overkill. Try looking up one of the "Ology of terror" threads. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 26 07:53:35 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 26 07:46:37 2017. damn it. fu*\ing posting from a cell phone sucks. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 26 10:45:56 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 26 07:46:37 2017. He's at least two sandwiches short of a picnic.And if you liked that wacky post of his, you'll love this classic from close to eight years ago. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 26 10:53:05 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 23 20:30:39 2017. Hmm, is someone mad that I went back to ignoring him after necroslamming him? LOLSeriously, it is not your job to take over stinking up Subchat just because the former Sir Ronald of Clan McDonald isn't doing it anymore. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 26 11:06:54 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 26 10:53:05 2017. Hmm, is someone mad that I went back to ignoring him after necroslamming him? LOLThis is such a perfect depiction of you: 
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 26 14:03:25 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 26 10:45:56 2017. Stalker! |
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