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Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Dec 25 22:52:19 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by randyo on Fri Dec 25 16:16:45 2015. You don't see any new buildings in Astoria? It's jammed with scores of new condos, especially west of 31st St. |
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Posted by wathayde1997 on Sun Dec 27 15:38:08 2015, in response to W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by SI 93 on Sun Dec 20 10:21:41 2015. I honestly believe that the (W) will come back once the (Q) goes to 96st/ 2nd Av from Astoria-Ditmars Blvd to Whitehall Street via Broadway Lcl during weekdays and evenings. Maybe even from Ditmars to Bay Parkway via West End and 4th Av Lcl during rush hours to "replace" the old (M) and be a much needed supplement to the (R) on 4th Ave. It'll be more successful than the old (M) since more passengers want Midtown Manhattan than just the Nassau St line.The (N) will return to Broadway Express but should still come from Astoria all times since they want a 2nd service. But is 49th st really that busy? since otherwise the (N) can just switch at 57th and run the complete Broadway Exp with the (Q) to avoid trouble before 34th st. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Dec 27 15:53:37 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by wathayde1997 on Sun Dec 27 15:38:08 2015. The W has to come back, no way around that.Should funds and equipment ever be around to have a new Southern Brooklyn service, I can see your logic in that it should be a Broadway Local service (e.g. W) rather than a Nassau St service (e.g. J). As for 49th St, I've never heard any real evidence that three services need to stop there, in terms of ridership. But whether politics are involved. . .I don't know. Operationally I can't think of a reason to make any switches at 34th once this is all done, unless it is logistically impossible to have the N arrive at 57th in between Qs or vice versa. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Dec 27 16:57:53 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Dec 27 15:53:37 2015. The W has to come back, no way around that.It would be a bit ironic if it didn't. 1942: The 2nd Avenue el is closing. Astoria riders, you will be losing service. 2016: The 2nd Avenue subway is (finally) opening. Astoria riders, you will be losing service. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 27 17:05:26 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Dec 27 15:53:37 2015. "Has to" is one thing. I have yet to hear anyone state an equipment assignment and deployment plan as to where does anyone think 8 - 10 more train sets will come from. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Dec 27 17:11:36 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 27 17:05:26 2015. Most likely, they'll pull the extra 8-10 train sets off the J and M lines, and make up the shortfall on those lines by replacing the subway cars with el cars from the Third Avenue line which will be made redundant by the new subway. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Dec 27 17:29:28 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Nilet on Sun Dec 27 16:57:53 2015. Deja vu all over again! |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Dec 27 17:31:03 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Dec 27 15:53:37 2015. There is no problem with having the N switch N/O 57 St since regardless of where the merge point is the N and Q still have to share the express tracks N/O Dekalb. |
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Posted by SI 93 on Sun Dec 27 19:30:06 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by wathayde1997 on Sun Dec 27 15:38:08 2015. The M train in Southern Brooklyn was a waster, it never hardly had any riders because ridership along the West End Line was going to Midtown Manhattan and ridership along 4th Av local stations was going to Broadway Line stations.Also, the southbound M trains at 36th St was always causing delays for Southbound D,N and R train riders with the merging point there. The M train in Northern Brooklyn and in Queens along Myrtle Av has done so much better since June 2010, it has attacted new riders going to 6th Av and it has taken off some of the pressure from the L Line. Your comments are welcome on this topic. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 27 19:32:43 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Nilet on Sun Dec 27 17:11:36 2015. Keep the remaining R-32s!:) |
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Posted by SI 93 on Sun Dec 27 19:42:15 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 27 19:32:43 2015. They are keeping some R32 after the R179 arrive, the question is how many R32 are they keeping. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 27 21:10:54 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by wathayde1997 on Sun Dec 27 15:38:08 2015. There will not be enough cars on the roster to send the W into Brooklyn if the Dec. 2016 goal is met. The R179's are needed before we can think about this. |
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Posted by bx36ltd on Sun Dec 27 21:32:37 2015, in response to W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by SI 93 on Sun Dec 20 10:21:41 2015. I thought the T train was gonna be the one to run from 125th st |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Dec 27 23:45:02 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by bx36ltd on Sun Dec 27 21:32:37 2015. The T will run the length of Second Avenue, if the subway ever gets built that far, and if the MTA isn't using some other method or scheme of naming train routes by then, and if it isn't decided that a line from Queens will run downtown instead, and if the money isn't swiped for some other purpose, and... |
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Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street? |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon Dec 28 00:15:10 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Dec 25 21:46:20 2015. You could.You'd have to be a total idiot, but you could. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Dec 28 04:34:05 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Dec 25 21:46:20 2015. Obviously if that were done, such would be a VERY quick turnaround (i.e. crew for the return trip ready to go at 57th almost immediately). |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Dec 28 04:40:13 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by randyo on Sun Dec 27 17:31:03 2015. That would make perfect sense to do it there (N/O 57th) and eliminate the problems of merging elsewhere. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Dec 28 04:53:45 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Dec 28 04:34:05 2015. That's NOT how it works. :) |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Dec 28 11:16:36 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Dec 28 04:53:45 2015. When I thought about having the N & Q trains traveling to 96th Street/Second Avenue from their respective terminals at Coney Island, it was with the understanding that the N & Q trains would travel the full route. This would help make the operations easier.When I thought about having the W train revived, it was with the idea that the W would run 24/7/365 between Astoria and Whitehall Street. However during the rush hours to provide the Astoria service and frequencies needed - additional W-trains would be placed into/out of service at the Canal Street/City Hall layup area, and from the 9th Avenue station in Brooklyn. In addition during the midnight hours - the W train would be extended to Brooklyn completely local via Sea Beach to Coney Island, replacing the N-train. The usual midnight hour R train shuttle would run as usual. At the time I wondered about the train requirements for the various services, etc. I get the feeling that extending, for example the W-train to Coney Island rush hours, or short-turn N-trains at 57th Street begins to make very complicated what was proposed as a simple set up. Besides increasing the number of subway trains needed for this setup. If the reality is that just a few additional N-trains are needed along the Astoria line to have the same frequency of service of the current combined N & Q trains there - then there's no "need" for the revival of the W-train. If only a few additional N-trains are needed to Astoria - then the entire switching / merging operations of the N & R trains can be made much simpler. Just have the N & R trains local in Manhattan with the Q-trains having exclusive usage of the express tracks, except for the segment from Canal Street to DeKalb Avenue. Just some ideas. Mike |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Dec 28 12:17:18 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Dec 25 21:46:20 2015. IMO until the 179s come, they should run the SAS as a shuttle between 96th Street and 57th... Q could still go to Astoria... a SAS shuttle would only require like what, 4 or 5 trainsets? Each B div yard could lend one trainset for the SAS shuttle. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Dec 28 13:11:25 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by SI 93 on Sun Dec 27 19:30:06 2015. I have no conflict with the benefit the M line has made by being sent along the 6 Av corridor, but I can’t understand why a West End/ Nassau service didn’t work since prior to Chrystie the West End/Nassau local was a staple in the Southern Division. For the last few years prior to Chrystie, it was the primary off peak M - F West End service, the express being a rush hour and Saturday only service. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Dec 28 13:22:02 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Dec 28 12:17:18 2015. And just how many passengers do you think that would attract when they can now have a one train ride down the east side as opposed to having to change at 57 St for another train that’s already crowded? |
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Posted by caine515 on Mon Dec 28 13:56:41 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Dec 25 16:33:41 2015. I think what will happen is reinstating the "W" from Astoria to Whitehall Street local weekdays only. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Dec 28 14:52:35 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by randyo on Mon Dec 28 13:22:02 2015. If they don't have the cars to run the services, I don't know how much of a choice there would be. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Dec 28 15:27:48 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Michael549 on Mon Dec 28 11:16:36 2015. Yep ... turning around a train these days is a bit more of a chore than it used to be. If you can at least toss it in a pocket after fumigating and relaying, it's not all that much of a challenge. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Dec 28 16:10:53 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Dec 28 15:27:48 2015. I completely agree with the following statement:"Yep ... turning around a train these days is a bit more of a chore than it used to be. If you can at least toss it in a pocket after fumigating and relaying, it's not all that much of a challenge." I also think that attempting to the do ALL of the following within the rush hours is a bit much: A) Having N & Q trains travel to/from 96th Street/Second Avenue & Coney Island. B) On the same set of express tracks on the Broadway line, terminate then relay some N-trains, in the midst of the stream of N & Q trains - as well as not diverting any N-trains to Astoria or Queens Blvd. C) Having large numbers of W-trains traveling between Astoria and Coney Island when there's an open question on the number of trains available. D) My proposed W-train route works better for "mid-line terminating" with using the Canal Street/City Hall layup area, the Whitehall Street station, and the 9th Avenue station - all due to the layup tracks available. Under this scheme, at least to me, anyway it seems less complicated in several ways when what we are trying to do is make it less complicated. The only "complicated" part would be the merging & switching of W-trains into and out of the stream of R-trains. Adding more complications to the scheme then goes counter to making it less complicated - in my view, at least. ----------- My way of thinking is that W-train becomes do-able: a) If one only needs 8 trains to run a service like a W-train from Astoria to Whitehall Street with 10 minutes between trains, then that seems do-able. b) The N-train could easily get trimmed down to a service of an express every 10 minutes and again using 8 trains, since it is only traveling between Manhattan & Brooklyn. The left-over N-trains that were assigned to the N-route in 2015, could be assigned to the W-train for 2016. Now suppose that was 4 to 6 trains. The Q-train could easily get trimmed down to a service of an express every 8 or 10 minutes, using maybe 10 - 12 trains, since again it is only traveling between Manhattan and Brooklyn. The left-over Q-trains that were assigned to the Q-route in 2015 could be assigned to the W-train for 2016. Now suppose that was 4 or 5 trains. c) Several goals could be accomplished - a) the switching mess of the N, Q & R trains would be eliminated on the Broadway line; b) there would be a consistent local W-train with the frequencies needed for Astoria; c) there would a consistent speedy express run for the N & Q trains in Manhattan and the frequencies for the Second Avenue line to serve as an alternative to Lexington Avenue; and d) the creation of overall much smoother operation for the Broadway line. (Of course, I concede that I'm not that well versed in creating train schedules, or figuring out the precise requirements for train sets for a given line, etc. Others are better at that. Of course, the MTA is free to decide to do what ever it is they are going to do.) Just a few thoughts. Mike |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Dec 28 16:39:08 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Michael549 on Mon Dec 28 16:10:53 2015. Great idea! |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Dec 28 18:05:50 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by caine515 on Mon Dec 28 13:56:41 2015. That makes the most sense and it may even be limited to rush hours only since that is when the ridership would demand it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 28 18:53:51 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by R30A on Mon Dec 28 14:52:35 2015. They could save money by not running the line until there are enough cars. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Dec 28 21:00:07 2015, in response to Re: W train returning when Phase I of the 2nd Av subway opens in December 2016?., posted by SI 93 on Sun Dec 27 19:42:15 2015. With their luck, they may spend their final days on the Three Stooges Division. |
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Posted by The silence on Mon Dec 28 21:24:47 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Dec 28 04:34:05 2015. What if there is a problem and the train stalls? you've just gone and shut down the SAS. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Dec 28 23:03:57 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by randyo on Mon Dec 28 13:22:02 2015. Another possibility would be a shuttle to 63/Lex. The F actually empties considerably there in my experience. It wouldn't be ideal, but if there really is a car shortage, it might be better than not running the service at all. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Dec 28 23:12:25 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 28 18:53:51 2015. I would normally agree, but I do not think that it is politically workable to delay a project with the history that the SAS has for something as seemingly ridiculous as not having the cars to run it. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Dec 28 23:50:56 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by R30A on Mon Dec 28 23:12:25 2015. From a previous message:"I would normally agree, but I do not think that it is politically workable to delay a project with the history that the SAS has for something as seemingly ridiculous as not having the cars to run it." I am going to agree with you that if a) the MTA were to open the Phase 1 portion of the Second Avenue subway - the 3 stops to 96th Street AND the MTA were to find itself without any additional subway cars beyond today's current number -- THAT the MTA would NOT delay opening the line to passenger service. In such a circumstance, which is for-see-able - I'm sure that the MTA folk would have checked, double-checked and triple-checked every single rail yard and train storage place to find the cars needed for that segment. Or better yet, simply shuffle and reduce the number trains that are kept as spares - in order to be able to provide trains for that segment. Or simply quietly divert trains from other lines and add them to the Q-line to make sure that the Q-train has the trains needed for that segment. There would be a very, very heavy political and media storm hitting the MTA if the MTA were to declare that the fully completed Second Avenue Stubway will not open until there are enough trains to service the newly completed subway line. That storm would not be pretty! Mike |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Dec 29 00:34:32 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 28 18:53:51 2015. Yeah...they Could...but think of the ridicules |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Dec 29 01:17:03 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Michael549 on Mon Dec 28 23:50:56 2015. Good! Sometimes the citizens w/torches and pitchforks are just the ticket to get the desk jockeys moving. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Dec 29 03:18:41 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by randyo on Mon Dec 28 13:22:02 2015. And just how many passengers do you think that would attract when they can now have a one train ride down the east side as opposed to having to change at 57 St for another train that’s already crowded?How realistic are the TA's projections for 200K daily riders for 3 stations that are already close to existing stations? The weekday turnstile counts for the existing Lex stations are: 96th St - 27K; 86th St - 66K and 68th St - 36K, for a total of 129K. For the SAS to reach 200K, the turnstile count for its 3 stations would need to be 100K or 77% of the count for the corresponding Lex stations. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Dec 29 07:03:40 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Michael549 on Mon Dec 28 23:50:56 2015. Certainly not:This is where the premature retirement of the R44s have come back to bite the MTA. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Dec 29 07:05:43 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Dec 28 04:53:45 2015. Like I said, it would ONLY be done if absolutely needed.This is where not having that third track at 72nd bites the MTA. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 29 07:52:28 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Michael549 on Mon Dec 28 16:10:53 2015. BAD IDEA... You are diverting express trains to local tracks and vice versa, thus delaying the entire railroad.Connect the EXPRESS tracks to 2nd Avenue /96th Street ONLY Connect the LOCAL tracks to the 60th Street tunnel ONLY Connect the Express tracks to the BRIDGE only Connect the LOCAL tracks to the Rat Tunnel only Anything else will cause switching delays. However you run things on these tracks within these liomits *might* be ok witht he LION. You ditz with those switches for revenue trains and it ts the LION whome you will answer to, and the LION thins that you are a WIKDEBEEST! ROAR |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 08:07:06 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 29 07:52:28 2015. I see no reason to further dumb down operations to accommodate lazy dispatchers. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 08:11:47 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Michael549 on Mon Dec 28 23:50:56 2015. With service deteriorating throughout the system, cutting shop margins, which means canceling trains, will also be noticeable.Delay SAS and blame the manufacturer of the R179. Then the rail advocate community can blame the stupid TA in public for over-scrapping R32's and R44's rather than mothballing them for a rainy day. It is ugly don't matter what. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 08:14:26 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Dec 29 03:18:41 2015. I always thought SAS was over-rated. Your numbers prove my point.If headed to Wall Street, they'll grin and bare the 4, 5, and 6 rather than pack a lunch for a long journey on the BMT. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 08:15:09 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by caine515 on Mon Dec 28 13:56:41 2015. Still need 10 train sets, and they don't exist. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 29 08:45:00 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 28 18:53:51 2015. They could save even more money by never opening it. :) |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 29 09:29:55 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 08:15:09 2015. Imagination is therefore required.Run the W only to Canal. The entire Q service to Astoria doesn't have to be replaced, since some Ns and Qs currently turn at 57th. Running all Ns to Astoria will help in part. Run the W at less than 10 minute intervals. Maybe 1 W for every 2 Ns. No one ever needs a W train - it's just a supplementary service to prevent overcrowding. Steal some train sets from other lines. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 29 09:32:27 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 29 07:52:28 2015. Connect the EXPRESS tracks to 2nd Avenue /96th Street ONLYConnect the LOCAL tracks to the 60th Street tunnel ONLY That's a wonderful principle but ignores the reality. At the north end of the N/Q/R, 3/4 of the demand is for the 60th street tunnel and only 1/4 is for 96th Street. At the south end, 3/4 of the demand is for the bridge and only 1/4 is for the Montague. The 3/4 and 1/4 fractions are SWAGs but they're not that far off from the actual numbers. |
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Posted by zac on Tue Dec 29 10:41:42 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 29 09:29:55 2015. I was thinking about all of the trains that run empty out to the more remote terminals (pitkin or concourse say). Some of these could be short turned and put to better use to fill in the late am service from 96th or Astoria since these aren't as remote. Maybe run alternate B or F trains to 96th coming from Brooklyn and return as a Q from 96th.Not sure how it would all work, but there really are a lot of empty trains on the extreme ends that get layed up anyway. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Dec 29 10:52:19 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by R30A on Mon Dec 28 23:12:25 2015. Run some early R-series museum equipment to start. Those cars were supposed to run on that line anyway (albeit several decades ago).:) |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Dec 29 10:57:34 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Dec 28 23:03:57 2015. 63rd Lex is on two levels.. the train would have travel almost to 57th to go back in the other direction, might as well terminate at 57th lol. Plus they would have to option to transfer to Broadway line routes. I would terminate it at Times Square but no X switch near the station IIRC. |
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