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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 12 14:33:55 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 12 14:24:23 2015. ... a shake of the head in sad agreement.... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 12 14:38:22 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 12 14:24:23 2015. It was actually the mentality of the MTA at the time as well. They were created originally to fix the smoking crater known as the Long Island Railroad. No small job there. When they realized what a mess the subways were as well once they showed up, the priority was STILL the LIRR to them and the subways got the table scraps. And looks like that mindset lasted well into the 80's. :( |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 12 14:44:39 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 12 14:24:23 2015. "... Mentality of the TA was how to provide as little as possible with the money they had."and it was the same sad story with the archer ave. extension - pound foolish, and not penny wise either.... two levels, each a major route, and no track connections built between either one... |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 12 15:03:21 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 12 10:34:47 2015. With the increase activity in downtown Bkln, Myrtle would have eventually taken on increased importance as a link from central Queens. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 12 17:07:04 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Andy on Thu Mar 12 11:01:35 2015. Most of this happened during the 50, 60 to 70s...but the root of it began with Pratt wanting to expand... developers wanting to RENEW northern Brooklyn with so called Model Cities programs, especially along Myrtle ave...and real estate redlining/blacklisting...The resulting effects were the gentrification of those nabs,where people ARE Being PRICED/Forced out. Access To these nabs were curtailed by the removal of those els...and if fully carried out..would have had a detrimental domino effect. That did not stop the MTA from attempting to remove the Broadway El,or shut the Canarsie Line... Public outcry..(my grandfather was one of the protesters),keep the city from removing the trains,And keeping the planned new expressways through those nabs from being built. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 12 17:36:31 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 12 14:14:59 2015. Too many transit planners do not consider how the characteristics of a changing neighborhood over the course of ten - twenty years or more, will affect the transit needs of this area: neighborhood changing or improving, population density increasing along with business and commercial uses, etc.I completely disagree. How did you come up with this incorrect gross generalization? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Mar 13 01:22:53 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 12 14:38:22 2015. Much truth to that.So much of the funding from bonds issue of 1968 indeed went to the LIRR and Not to the TA... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 13 01:25:22 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Edwards! on Fri Mar 13 01:22:53 2015. Sure did. Ronan's snow-eaters (M1's) sure didn't come cheap. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Mar 13 05:44:53 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 12 17:36:31 2015. re: ["Too many transit planners do not consider..."I completely disagree. How did you come up with this incorrect gross generalization?] It is a generalization - "Too many" might better have been expressed as, "Some.." - but from what people have posted about this area of Brooklyn changing, the TA taking into consideration keeping the Myrtle el and upgrading it, with projections for the future, also seems to have some creedence (creedence with a small "c", and yes generalizing). And when the neighborhood was still not that great, in 1969, that's when it would have helped the most - residents of this neighborhood still would have needed transit either north, to Myrtle B'way, or south, if people along that stretch of Myrtle Ave. were traveling south to Jay st. for the IND or a destination in that central Brooklyn area. I was also thinking about three other places - in Boston, the tunnel down Tremont street (abandoned, per below in April 1962), could have been kept in operation - or later re-opened because: 1. Over the next 12-15 years or so, the entire South End neighborhood started to change*, developers began refurbishing residential buildings, New England Medical Center (NEMC) expanded; more potential riders from this are could have used this line (as well as people commuting into this area to work). *(I lived in Boston from '72-'92 and saw this happen - this process seems to be still continuing from what people who live there tell me) 2. With the demise of the original Orange Line, south of the NEMC, since the new one was reloacted "west" of the original el, this tunnel for a light rail line, could have been used in some kind of tie-in with the newly relocated Orance Line, as well as in addition to it, as a supplement; for riders who would have used the original el - see post that follows: post below found at: http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=48384 Postby F-line to Dudley via Park » Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:37 pm "the shell for NEMC station was built extra deep like it is with that spacious lobby upstairs so the Tremont tunnel could be extended to NEMC in a future El replacement configuration...the exact same one Roxbury residents still prefer over a silver-painted 49 bus." -------------------------------------------------------------- The 2nd - the neighborhood areas of London, between the Northern Line (Highgate and south of it) and the Picadilly line currently have no ready access to rapid transit due to the the fact that conversion of the former Great Northern Railway branch (Finsbury Park to Alexandra Palace) to part of the Northern Line was never completed. Steam service was continued on this line after WW 2 and headways were lengthened, with the resulting, if you don't provide sufficient transit nobody will ride it (comparable to shutting down the 3rd ave. el at night and weekends (?) during its last few years). The result being that London Transport never finished the pre-war work and closed this route in 1954. Available post-war money did go to complete the Central Line out to Epping & Ongar, but if LT had had foresight, they might have said, keep the Finsbury park-Alexander Palace going with steam - increase service, and when the money is found, complete the conversion. Over the next three or four decades this would have given the dense bedroom communities of Crouch End, Stroud Green, Muswell Hill & Cranley Gardens immediate access to the Northern Line and central London. I was on a Hornsey (north London) message board for awhile during the 1990s (an OT story for why) and on two occasions, when the uncompleted Northern Line extension was discussed, people always lamented having to take one or more busses to get to either the Northern Line or the Piccadilly, when potentially they could have had a Northern Line branch close by and readily accessible. I imagine it would have been the same for those communities north of Edgware as well. Instead of taking busses south to the crowded Edgware terminal, riders would have had stations nearby at Brockley Hill, Elstree South, and Bushey Heath. But instead of thinking long term about future regional development and preparing transit for it (the waydual contracts routes were built in the Bronx and out to Corona and Flushing) London Transit never proceeded with development. So north of Edgware has no transit access either. The third area was the IND 2nd phase extensions to southeastern to Queens. If these had been completed, a decent size the area north of the Belt would have better access to rapid transit. It's been discussed on this board in detail why this didn't happen, and perhaps, the reality was that money could not have been easily or readily found (Moses $ for highways, and bond issue money going to modernize the system etc.), but again, with proper vision, and perhaps a very assertive "Moses/Delany" type in the BOT or early NYCTA, to "push back," some or all of these routes might have been finished even if it took several year or more longer. This is oversimplification, but my point is no transit = difficulties for commuters several decades down the road. That's what I meant by my general comments. I would guess that if you also spoke with transit enthusiasts in Philadelphia and Chicago (who may also be transit professionals) you would hear similar stories in those cities as well. The above examples are the thoughts behind my original statement. I would be interested hearing why you completely disagree with it, and why you consider it a gross generalization. I'm always ready to listen and learn. Thanks. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 13 07:18:06 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 12 14:14:59 2015. I agree. So they terminate service and remove the infrastructure based on TODAY'S situation, without considering how difficult to impossible it'll be to restore it later on. Myrtle is permanently lost.At least, with some imagination an ingenuity, and was actually planned in 1968, the local tracks of the Harlem Line could be converted to subway service. Wont work, I know, FRA and all that. That's why I specified ingenuity and imagination... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 13 07:22:43 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by VictorM on Wed Mar 11 17:01:04 2015. I believe that DID happen- but the El was already scheduled to close. They shored up the damaged portion of the structure to keep it going a few more days.The fire at Nostrand happened after the closure. The 3rd Ave El had a fire at Claremont Parkway near the end... I think it had the effect of advancing the planned closure from August to April, 1973. Both closures were, IMO, highly unfortunate. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 13 07:23:32 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Nilet on Wed Mar 11 17:06:25 2015. The R39s were also intended to run on the 3rd Ave line.. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 13 09:30:59 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 13 01:25:22 2015. Ronan got the entire LIRR MU fleet to be M-1 by October 1973, parking 130 perfectly good MP72's (and scrapping 80 very reliable MP-70's) until the last were converted to diesel service by Mar 1979.In 1973, how many Arnines were running on the TA ? The bias was truly amazing. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Mar 13 14:13:06 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 13 09:30:59 2015. Not to mention the wholesale waste! The MTA should have been broken up a long time ago! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Mar 13 14:39:57 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 11 23:19:24 2015. Diminishing ridership in that area started in the early 1950's. The first casualty was the Lexington El on Oct 13th, 1950. The second was when the City, citing diminished use of Grand Ave station, ripped out the old Lex station there- plus the Myrtle Ave station connected to it. The City cited the fact that over 8,00 fewer riders used the Myrtle Ave's Grand Ave station since 1950, even though it served Pratt Institute. The decline was hastened when the projects were erected: Raymond Ingersoll Houses, Walt Whitman Houses, Marcy Housing, Tompkins Houses, and the Sumner Housing- all on/near Myrtle Ave. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Mar 13 14:45:55 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Mar 13 14:39:57 2015. By the way, it would have only cost the City about $50,000 to have modified the Myrtle Ave station at Grand Ave. Sadly, they felt that it was not worth the effort to redo the intertwined stairway/passageways with the closed Lex station at Grand Ave. So, after the power cables on grand Ave were relocated underground, both stations were ripped out. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 13 14:50:38 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 13 07:18:06 2015. I suspect that back then FRA regs were a bit less restrictive. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Mar 13 15:01:28 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Mar 13 14:45:55 2015. One more thing- the Myrtle/Grand station closed on Jan 17th, 1953. Demolition began about a week later. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Mar 13 15:06:11 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Mar 13 15:01:28 2015. I always wondered when this station was demolished. There didn't seem to be any trace of it remaining, that I could see, while riding the el. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Mar 13 15:15:37 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Express Rider on Fri Mar 13 15:06:11 2015. As I said, it only would have cost $50,000 more back then to keep the Grand/Myrtle station, after the abandoned Lexington el section had been removed. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Fri Mar 13 15:39:22 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 13 07:18:06 2015. If there was subway service on the Harlem line and the FRA harsher rules had come into effect like they did, what would happen to the subway service? What if it was a popular service. They couldn't just rip out the service if it was popular and used. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 13 15:58:59 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 13 09:30:59 2015. The TA was provided with huge quantities of new equipment on a continuous basis, but was dealing with a much larger fleet. I agree that MP70s and 72s could have been kept longer, but the LIRR was stuck with an aging fleet of a bankrupt carrier. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 13 16:01:53 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Union Tpke on Fri Mar 13 15:39:22 2015. Grandfathering. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 13 16:12:40 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by randyo on Fri Mar 13 14:50:38 2015. What did FRA have to do with New York City transit? |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 13 16:13:48 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 13 07:18:06 2015. Nevermind. I see the connection. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 13 16:14:49 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 13 16:12:40 2015. Sorry. I see the connection. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 13 16:20:31 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by SLRT on Fri Mar 13 15:58:59 2015. The MP70T, MP72, P72, and MP75 were financed by NYS-DOT, not the PRR.It was irresponsible to castrate the MU cars at 10 - 17 years of age. They were also the only cars that could run when it snowed over 4". The original M-1 order was to be just 500 cars, as stated in a 1965 or 1966 article in Trains magazine - enough to finish off the MP54. That became 620 to do in the 80 MP70 to scrap and 44 T72 to diesel service. Then another 150 to do in all the rest of them to diesl service - money better spent on the TA, and buying a Comet-I like car for diesel service, which would have been cheaper than M-1's. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Mar 14 02:44:48 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Express Rider on Fri Mar 13 05:44:53 2015. Beautiful summation.... |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Mar 14 04:33:34 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Edwards! on Sat Mar 14 02:44:48 2015. Thank you! :) |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sat Mar 14 11:26:09 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 13 16:20:31 2015. Those M-1"s were fine running cars, took them from Babylon to Penn Sta for a few years. Karl |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Sat Mar 14 21:20:55 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by VictorM on Wed Mar 11 17:01:04 2015. Truck hit the pillar by Ft. Greene Park. I've seen the photos of the wood shoring, painted in black/white tiger stripes. I'd have to ask Conrad Milster for the photos, but he's got his stuff still packed up from the move. He gave me a slide show one night when I was a Pratt student, it was fascinating, and I was also covered in his and Phyllis' cats. |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Sat Mar 14 21:21:36 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 11 20:12:52 2015. That is correct, vandals set fire to the Nostrand station after service ended. |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Sat Mar 14 21:24:37 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Mar 13 14:45:55 2015. The Grand Ave. station was also less than two blocks from the Washington Ave. station. |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Sat Mar 14 21:26:27 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 12 14:33:55 2015. same here. |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Sat Mar 14 21:30:49 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Edwards! on Thu Mar 12 17:07:04 2015. Pratt was ready to leave Brooklyn and move the campus to LI in 1965. |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Sat Mar 14 21:31:21 2015, in response to PROFF!! (Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western), posted by SLRT on Wed Mar 11 18:43:24 2015. There ya go. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 14 21:48:31 2015, in response to Re: PROFF!! (Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western), posted by SLRT on Thu Mar 12 12:33:24 2015. I don't recall any outries to keep the old Myrtle Ave el running. It died quietly, like the Bronx-3rd Ave el. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 14 21:56:11 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Sat Mar 14 21:24:37 2015. And the (then) "GG" at Lafayette/Washington! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 14 22:05:46 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Sat Mar 14 21:21:36 2015. Pretty mean streets, back then. Younger posters here don't appreciate that. Others think you are a racist for telling the truth! |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 14 22:52:45 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 14 22:05:46 2015. Why would anyone think you are a racist for saying there was a lot of crime back then? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Mar 14 23:06:58 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Sat Mar 14 21:20:55 2015. re: I'd have to ask Conrad Milster for the photosI have been told that he has a marvelous collection of Lexington Ave. el photos. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Mar 15 06:03:48 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by randyo on Thu Mar 12 15:03:21 2015. Right:Had they decided to keep the El, what I think would have eventually happened was the line (as I would do it in a rebuild today) would have been rebuilt to BMT/IND standards (and possibly to handle 600' trains) at some point with many stations consolidated and fewer stations overall while after Navy Street, that portion would have been redirected to a new tunnel that as I would have done it would have connected to the Montauge Street line, joining the (R) at Jay Street/Metrotech and possibly becoming what eventually became the (W) train after Whitehall, possibly being the second Astoria line on weekdays and going to Whitehall on weekends (with perhaps in rush hours a "Brown (W)" that would have run from Metropolitan via regular route to Court Street and then via Nassau and the old (M) back to Metropolitan.. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 15 16:52:22 2015, in response to Re: PROFF!! (Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western), posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 14 21:48:31 2015. Actually, there was some sort of lawsuit to try and get the el reopened, but unlike the Fulton structure which remained up for several years after service shut down, Myrtle was demolished almost immediately. The meant that even if the lawsuit were successful, there would have been no structure on which to restore service since there was never an injunction put in place to halt demolition of the structure. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 15 16:58:03 2015, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue El, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Mar 15 06:03:48 2015. As I mentioned in several posts on the subject, the unique construction of the Myrtle el RR north of Bway made rebuilding the stations for 10 ft wide cars prohibitively expensive. On the other hand, rebuilding those stations with outside platforms would have allowed the girder work at those stations to be modified since thee reason the were constructed that way was to clear the stairways to the street which had to pass under the trackways. |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Sun Mar 15 17:00:10 2015, in response to Re: PROFF!! (Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western), posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 14 21:48:31 2015. My neighbors who were around then basically told me there was a rush of emotion of "How could they do this to us?", soon followed by a resignation that it was another sign the neighborhood and NYC were going straight to hell. |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Sun Mar 15 17:13:58 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Express Rider on Sat Mar 14 23:06:58 2015. Yes, he does, but like the Myrtle slides he took, they are packed away when he moved to a different house at Pratt. Conrad started at Pratt in 58, right when the Q's replaced the 1300's. There are some really good shots on line now taken in the last years of operation.One of my old professors at Pratt, John Pyle, used to lecture in South Hall, above the power plant with the classroom windows facing Grand when the Lexington el was still running. He took pictures from the same window every day of the last days operations and the dismantling of the structure. Wish I knew where those photos are now. He told me he timed his lectures to pause in sync with the el trains passing by. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Mar 16 01:47:35 2015, in response to Re: PROFF!! (Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western), posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 14 21:48:31 2015. There were protesters, but not enough. The Transit museum had a photo gallery about the last days of the Myrtle el, and some of the pics were of people who protested the demolition. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 16 02:43:11 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 14 22:05:46 2015. Hell,it Was bad back then..nobody is denying that..but nobody want to tell the damn truth Why. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 16 02:57:54 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Mar 13 14:39:57 2015. Dude...you don't have to tell me the cause...I KNOW the cause..and things that either you DON'T know,or unwilling to divulge. My parents were activist... my Grandparents were activist...deeply involved in neighborhood affairs. They were OUT there protesting the removal of the Led,which ran right outside their home on Lexington and Lewis. I was There for some of that,seen for myself...so if you were directing that racism crack at me,you were part of the problem. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 16 02:58:50 2015, in response to Re: ''After a fire damaged the structural integrity of the elevated tracks, the western, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Mar 13 14:39:57 2015. Dude...you don't have to tell me the cause...I KNOW the cause..and things that either you DON'T know,or unwilling to divulge. My parents were activist... my Grandparents were activist...deeply involved in neighborhood affairs. They were OUT there protesting the removal of the Lex El,which ran right outside their home on Lexington and Lewis. I was There for some of that,seen for myself...so if you were directing that racism crack at me,you were part of the problem. |
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