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Posted by steamdriven on Tue Feb 10 23:00:51 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 10 22:24:55 2015. Not a very good lab then. The test needs to be cover enough of the conditions you're trying to prove a product to so that the customer gets a product that works in ZZ% of their conditions, where more ZZ costs more $$.Automakers ship entire cars to waaay North locations where they have groomed snow fields to test a car's snow tolerance; it's so difficult to fully duplicate the extreme conditions they want to test for that the lab needs to Nature, with help from Sno-Cat. a $25K car can be driven through dry, wet, powdered, blizzard or any other kind of snow without fryng the engine, but the MBTA's $1000K subway cars die when run in snow a Chevy Cruz can handle. The MBTA has a long tradition of destroying their own equipment, so it's no surprise that they've never fixed the issue. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 10 23:19:23 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by steamdriven on Tue Feb 10 23:00:51 2015. Heh. I think you missed my point there. What's the formula for an idiot in the rail crossing as far as the angle of the dangle where the third rail hits the floor? Yes, when everything works as planned, then you will almost always get the result in the formula. But no formula covers random, disconnected Kismet. That was my point. |
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Posted by steamdriven on Tue Feb 10 23:29:56 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 10 23:19:23 2015. Uh, I got this tangled with another thread. Half was meant to go into the MBTA shutdown thread, so yeah it did kinda miss! :-|I fully agree, there's no formula for what happens when someone plays disaster movie on the RR crossing. Heck, there's no formula for my brain fades either! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 11 00:03:54 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by steamdriven on Tue Feb 10 23:29:56 2015. No worries! I'm a long time electronics engineer by trade, pure math and science to achieve the intended results. Then shit happens. That was pretty much Dutch's point as well. Absolutes can be entertaining at times. :) |
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Posted by merrick1 on Wed Feb 11 07:17:24 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 9 18:35:01 2015. The mean is one or a little less than one because there are more females than males.On the other hand the median is zero because there are more females than males. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Feb 11 10:39:13 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by ElectricTraction on Tue Feb 10 21:44:21 2015. I do not accept numbers that people propose to me. They are always counting apples, and I was asking about battleships.ROAR |
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Posted by Outside the Box on Wed Feb 11 12:53:20 2015, in response to Re: How 3rd Rail Running Commuter Rail Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 9 18:08:51 2015. I guess we could have inch thick steel box around fuel tanks. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Feb 11 17:32:18 2015, in response to Re: How 3rd Rail Running Commuter Rail Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Outside the Box on Wed Feb 11 12:53:20 2015. Or they could just get rid of those 4 stupid Wassaic runs and do a cross-platform at Southeast. People can get off their butts and on to another train. They could run P40's with Maxi's for the load if needed.Electrify the Hudson to ALB with overhead wire from NYP, and the Danbury to New Milford, and get those POS DMs out of there while you're at it. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Feb 11 17:32:21 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 10 22:24:55 2015. Good engineering accounts for all that. And some testing may be needed to determine things like how much friction is actually available during slip and slide season. But that's all irrelevant to the point. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Feb 11 17:32:24 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 11 00:03:54 2015. We were talking theory, thus the absolutes. It may not even be practical to utilize the full friction available to stop an M-7 train, due to brake heating and material concerns or other factors. But it certainly could be done with a sufficiently complex setup at Pueblo, even if it wouldn't work in the real world. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 11 17:38:50 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Feb 11 17:32:24 2015. And there's the problem. In the real world, away too many variables and unexpecteds, that's why you overdesign and pray that it's sufficient when weird stuff happens. You don't stop at the lab results in other words. Gets expensive though and people complain about you wasting money. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 11 17:40:08 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Feb 11 17:32:21 2015. There you go! All I've been pointing out all along is that you can have lots of fun in the lab, prove your design over and over and then whoopsie happens anyway. Takes real world experience for some to realize that though. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Wed Feb 11 19:28:32 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by steamdriven on Tue Feb 10 22:26:42 2015. The coefficient of static friction is greater than the coefficient of kinetic friction.If you put a block on a board and tilt the board just to the point where the block starts to slide the block will continue to slide if you lower the board a little bit. A rolling wheel is static with respect to the rail. If the wheel starts to slide kinetic friction applies and the braking force decreases. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 11 20:12:47 2015, in response to Re: How 3rd Rail Running Commuter Rail Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Feb 11 17:32:18 2015. "Or they could just get rid of those 4 stupid Wassaic runs"Never happen, MNR put too much money & hype for the service with all positive reactions. BTW what makes them "stupid" If you lived in the area, you would'nt think of them as stupid. Its progress based on suburban sprawl. "Electrify the Hudson to ALB with overhead wire from NYP," Great idea. But will never happen until Amtrak, CSX (who owns the tracks beyond Poughkeepsie) & MNR are allowed to print money. |
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Posted by steamdriven on Wed Feb 11 20:15:26 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by merrick1 on Wed Feb 11 19:28:32 2015. Yeah, I deliberately left that out to avoid the lab vs field thing.An ideal passenger train would not skid any wheels, it would have functioning ABS on every axle and hold either the commanded decel rate or the the decel possible at the limit of static fricton, whichever is greater. Whether a transit bureaucracy would spec, test and propely maintain such a system is another matter. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 11 20:15:39 2015, in response to Re: How 3rd Rail Running Commuter Rail Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 11 20:12:47 2015. And no worries, north of Rheinbeck would really rather not do MTA. I mean you guys are nice and all, but there's the MTA. Maybe we can reconstitute the D&H some day and take you guys and gals along with our railroad instead. :) |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 11 20:35:06 2015, in response to Re: How 3rd Rail Running Commuter Rail Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 11 20:15:39 2015. DEAL!! Lemme know where I can buy my ticket & if I need to bring my own box lunch!:) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 11 20:52:46 2015, in response to Re: How 3rd Rail Running Commuter Rail Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 11 20:35:06 2015. We have Au Bon Pain and Stewarts up here. We provide the food, no worries. Finding a running GP40-2? Well that's the chore. :)
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Posted by j trainloco on Wed Feb 11 20:53:37 2015, in response to Re: How 3rd Rail Running Commuter Rail Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Feb 11 17:32:18 2015. Don't underestimate the power of the one seat ride. It can increase land value and transit usage. It seems to work quite well on the Hudson line. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Feb 11 21:10:47 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by steamdriven on Wed Feb 11 20:15:26 2015. and what happens when all wheels on a car slide and ABS system no longer sees it ??? trains in fall are like roller coaster ride, even with sanders, speedometer just goes to zero all wheels stop and it gets real real quiet. sand does absolutely nothing. longest slide I was on was 4 miles. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 11 21:30:28 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Feb 11 21:10:47 2015. Like Casey Jones in the old TV show, run the wheels backwards furiously until you stop. :) |
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Posted by steamdriven on Wed Feb 11 23:01:18 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Feb 11 21:10:47 2015. Then you get flat wheels. Nobody ABS would work every time ;-)-------------- 4 miles! Well, ya may as well pour a coffee outta the thermos and enjoy the scenery. Q: Do the rules state release the brakes and try again, or just let it slide where it wants to go? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Feb 12 07:28:56 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by steamdriven on Wed Feb 11 23:01:18 2015. no in fall rail is so slick its like running on graphite, no way of stopping no matter how it works in the books. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 12 08:36:06 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Feb 12 07:28:56 2015. Nothing wrong with what the books say in this regard. The coefficient of friction of steel on oiled steel is very low. |
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Posted by steamdriven on Thu Feb 12 09:09:24 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Feb 12 07:28:56 2015. Hm, there must be a way for MTA to spin this.How 'bout christening runs over leaf-oiled rails as "Gambler's Specials", using a mobile app to take bets on which stations the train will slide by. MTA takes 10%, engineers get a bonus based on the betting take. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Feb 12 18:01:10 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Feb 11 21:10:47 2015. If you had ABS, you'd never get to that point. Not that it would help a whole heck of a lot if the rails aren't being maintained in a clean, dry condition in the first place, which is the better solution anyway. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Feb 12 18:01:14 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by merrick1 on Wed Feb 11 19:28:32 2015. Correct. Hence why ABS works in cars. It's probably not practical in a train, but it could, in theory, be used. TCS would go the other way. Probably not needed on MU's, but do locos like the ALP-46a have it? An ALP has to accelerate up to 14 ML's with only it's own weight to create rail adhesion. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Feb 12 18:01:20 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 11 17:38:50 2015. Right, and that's why I'm not suggesting MN or any other heavy rail operation actually sets up brakes that can push the friction to the limit. I think it would be worthwhile for the industry to do this type of testing, however, if it hasn't already been done, to understand how to make better brakes that last longer, what materials are best for brakes, etc, etc. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Feb 12 18:28:15 2015, in response to Re: How 3rd Rail Running Commuter Rail Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 11 20:12:47 2015. Suburban sprawl is not progress, and that's beyond suburban, that's exurban.Let's say, for the sake of our discussion, that the various pols got their priorities straight (yeah, right) and they electrified from NYP to ALB and SoNo to New Milford with 25kV/60 overhead, and cut the third rail back to about W 168th to allow freight trains to get to the Bronx without going over 3rd rail, among two dozen or so other major projects that rail transit in the NYC metro region needs. That would leave the Wassaic run as the only thing using those POS DMs. Would it make sense at that point to have DMs for 4 trains a day when they could be replaced by standard P40's for the peak hour trains? Even Amtrak could toss their stupid DMs, as they could run under the wire with ACS-64's to ALB and switch there, like they do at WAS today with the long-distance trains. Southeast is already a 90 minute trip. Sure, Danbury and New Haven are 120, and New Milford would be longer, but electrification up there makes sense because of the Stamford crowd going up north and train continuity. POK is about 106. So yes, technically that would make the Harlem the shortest one-seat ride of the bunch, but with only 4 trains daily, running DMs just doesn't make sense. Make people get off their butts and get on a different train! My theory is this. If a line warrants one-seat service, then it warrants electrification. Like electrification to POK (POK MN is a freebie doing NYP-ALB) and New Milford and Oyster Bay, Port Jeff, the Central Branch, Yaphank, and Speonk on the LIRR. Same for NJT. NJT's DMs are a cop-out of not stringing more 25kV60 wherever they have the density necessary to support one-seat rides to NYP. If it doesn't warrant electrification. like north of Southeast, or east of Yaphank and Speonk on the LIRR, then it doesn't warrant one-seat service. I would, however, serve that section of the line better by upgrading the line and running significantly more trains to/from Wassaic as cross-platform Mini's and eventually DMU's giving more schedule flexibility, and then only use Maxis as necessary for the passenger load, which may become entirely unnecessary with significantly more trains running. I would do the same with the east end services on LI, and anywhere else diesel extensions go away from the high-density populations and service levels. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Feb 12 18:39:39 2015, in response to Re: How 3rd Rail Running Commuter Rail Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Feb 12 18:28:15 2015. That would leave the Wassaic run as the only thing using those POS DMs. Would it make sense at that point to have DMs for 4 trains a day when they could be replaced by standard P40's for the peak hour trains? Even Amtrak could toss their stupid DMs, as they could run under the wire with ACS-64's to ALB and switch there, like they do at WAS today with the long-distance trains.Amtrak already does an engine change at Albany, with one exception they swap a Dual Mode for a straight diesel so that they don't venture too far away. That said, the Dual Mode Genesis' are good enough for what they do, keep them for Wassaic and the Ethan Allen. In a lot of cases you really only need a one seat ride during the rush hours, makes no sense to electrify the entire line. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 12 19:20:53 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Feb 12 18:01:20 2015. Somehow over the years, I suspect they've done about as good as it gets there. I think what Dutch was trying to put across is that design can only take you so far, it requires additional skills to deal with the unexpected. You can account for all sorts of things in a design and do it well, but failures rarely have a single cause. It's when a lot of unexpected things all come together that disaster thumbs its nose at the engineers anyway. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Feb 12 19:32:58 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Feb 12 18:01:10 2015. yes you do, ABS works by comparing speed of axles on each car. if all wheels stop, the ABS system sees it as perfect situation, and since it has no input from other cars it leaves wheels locked up, same with your car. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Feb 12 19:34:25 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Feb 12 18:01:14 2015. abs won't work on ice, same as trains on leaves, once all wheels stop the ABS no longer sees a problem , it only sees a problem if one of 4 inputs gives a different signal than rest. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Feb 12 19:35:55 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 12 19:20:53 2015. That's fine, but it has little to do with the original point, which is that DRN was flat out wrong about the physics behind braking, and what is theoretically possible/ possible at Pueblo. I'm not so concerned with whether it would work in the real world, because I don't believe in extreme emergency stops and designing trains to crash into each other. Lose the grade crossings, make everything full PTC, and then you will have a safer system anyway. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Feb 12 19:38:51 2015, in response to Re: How 3rd Rail Running Commuter Rail Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Feb 12 18:39:39 2015. True, they already do swap in many cases because of the limited DM supply. Those things are a nightmare. They're horrible electric locomotives, they're mediocre diesels at best.You wouldn't want P32's running the Ethan Allen, as it would be far faster with an ACS-64 NYP-ALB, or maybe even an NJT-style dual mode that could cover those runs, the LSL, and the southern long distance trains out of NYP, and run 125mph electric to WAS and ALB. I'm not so sure there's much point though, as those are major station stops anyway, so the time to swap out isn't that big of a deal. I stand by my philosophy. If the density isn't there to electrify, make people get off their butts and walk across the platform onto another train. Maybe some more parking would be needed at Southeast if people drove instead of taking the train, but that could be done too. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Thu Feb 12 19:50:57 2015, in response to Re: How 3rd Rail Running Commuter Rail Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Feb 12 19:38:51 2015. How are the P32's a nightmare? For several years I rode from Poughkeepsie to GCT a couple times a month. The only problem I ever experienced was one HEP failure. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 12 20:10:18 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Feb 12 19:35:55 2015. I'll agree there, but in the end it still comes down to the unpredictable and those who are competent enough to deal with it as best as they can. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Feb 12 21:29:35 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 12 19:20:53 2015. Hmmmm, I guess that might include forgetting to make your required safety stops and hitting a standing train. Guess you can't anticipate everything, right, crash? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 12 21:40:29 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Feb 12 21:29:35 2015. Heh. And of course you were there to spot me. Poor fella ... retirement sucks so badly all you have left in life is coming here to keep repeating yourself like the uncreative, addled old fool that you are. Carry on then. :) |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Feb 12 22:04:55 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 12 21:40:29 2015. Well I guess all those "sources" you claim to have at the MTA have you right up to date, then. You keep making such a fool ofyourself. Maybe you should hit yourself in the head with your trusty Louisville Slugger |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 12 22:36:25 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Feb 12 22:04:55 2015. You're the one who comes here every day being miserable. I mean really, is there no joy in your life that you couldn't but once come here and spread some joy or chuckles for the kids? Sheesh.
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Feb 12 22:40:57 2015, in response to Re: How 3rd Rail Running Commuter Rail Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by merrick1 on Thu Feb 12 19:50:57 2015. Same here, Albany to NYC. Only one P32 problem: a massive fuel leak on a thanksgiving special (back when they ran some to Albany). |
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Posted by trAIn duDe on Thu Feb 12 22:46:26 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 12 22:36:25 2015. No, come on no, you buffoon. Tell me about my retirement. Dying to hear what your "Sources" at the MTA are telling you that I'm doing. I mean, if you want to keep making a fool of yourself, lets do it right. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 12 22:57:27 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by trAIn duDe on Thu Feb 12 22:46:26 2015. My "sources" at the MTA could give a shit about what you're doing. They're just glad that you're gone. My comments here are about your conduct here. And you continue to be the gift that just keeps on giving. :) |
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Posted by trAIn duDe on Thu Feb 12 23:05:02 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 12 22:57:27 2015. Come on, tell us all about my retirement. Oh that's right, your source at the MTA was fired a long time ago. So you really have no idea what I'm doing, do you, Crash? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 12 23:33:28 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by trAIn duDe on Thu Feb 12 23:05:02 2015. What is WRONG with you that you need to continue this? I mean really. Get some help, yo. The rest of us came here to have some fun, not participate in your continuing malfunction. |
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Posted by trAIn duDe on Thu Feb 12 23:54:54 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 12 23:33:28 2015. So now you set yourself up as "all of you" vs me? You are really a pussy. You make comments about my retirement when, in fact, you know nothing about what I do. At least when I call you on something, it's based on facts. I'd say that there is something wrong with you. Be it a job or your other troubles, it's never your fault. I'd say that it's you who should seek help, yo. No need to list your numerous malfunctions here. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 13 00:07:24 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by trAIn duDe on Thu Feb 12 23:54:54 2015. Your grasp of "facts" is no better than your grasp of politics. 100% pure, unadulterated horsefeathers. Obamacare now covers mental health treatment. I seriously suggest that you check into it. Bad enough your ramblings on OT, you have to come over here and play "get off my lawn" too? Have you no respect at least for the people on this board who want nothing of this? Sheesh. |
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Posted by trAIn duDe on Fri Feb 13 00:25:14 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 13 00:07:24 2015. Hey cunt, do you really want facts? It was you who brought up my retirement over here. So where is your respect for everyone over here? And what do you know about facts, anyway. Most of what you post, outside of an occasional technical burp, most of your "facts" are from your made-up history and self glorification, trying to make yourself relevant in a field that didn't want you and tossed your ass out after a few months. I actually feel sorry for you but in the spirit of kindness, I'll give you another chance. What do your sources at the MTA tell you about what I'm doing in my "retirement"? Come on, flintstone. If you are going to get your nose under my balls, at least come with a few facts. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 13 00:41:52 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by trAIn duDe on Fri Feb 13 00:25:14 2015. Lol. All you ever do is come here to abuse people and you wonder why they get up in your face? Seriously. GET HELP. |
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