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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sun Feb 8 17:40:33 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by j trainloco on Sun Feb 8 17:36:32 2015. Correct. Thus, the stopping distance, if each type of train has powerful enough brakes to utilize all the available friction, are going the same speed, and have the same type and size and number of wheels would be exactly the same. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 8 17:40:53 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by ElectricTraction on Sun Feb 8 17:38:16 2015. I don't have 1 day's instruction in physics, but I'll take his 30 years experience seriously on this one, when he probably drove everything. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 8 17:41:08 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by ElectricTraction on Sun Feb 8 17:38:16 2015. Right I betya my technical education outweighs your by far . |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sun Feb 8 17:45:36 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 8 17:40:53 2015. But that's irrelevant, as the heavy rail equipment isn't made to brake as hard as LRVs are. I'm not arguing that they should be, or that such a braking system would even be practical outside of Pueblo. But the simple, indisputable fact of the matter is that kinetic energy and friction go up linearly together as mass goes up.Just because LRVs have more braking power per ton doesn't change what the wheel/rail connection is capable of given powerful enough brakes. If an M-7 had the same wheels, rails, and braking power per ton as an LRV, it would stop like an LRV. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sun Feb 8 17:46:42 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 8 17:41:08 2015. BSME here, but again irrelevant. This is high school physics. Anyone who graduated from high school should know kinetic energy and friction. |
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Posted by j trainloco on Sun Feb 8 17:49:54 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by ElectricTraction on Sun Feb 8 16:50:23 2015. I can't put any numbers to it, but the jerk rate on the subway is apparently much higher. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 8 17:50:33 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by ElectricTraction on Sun Feb 8 17:46:42 2015. I don't. Only did Geology and Biology. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 8 18:13:07 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 8 17:40:53 2015. Apples. Oranges.Dutch is talking about how things are actually built. Traction is talking about how they could be built. A heavy train could have as good braking power as an LRV, but it doesn't. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 8 18:44:23 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 8 17:28:02 2015. Maybe someone snuck into Harmon shops and applied rubber on all the treads last night. :) |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 8 18:48:56 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by j trainloco on Sun Feb 8 17:39:22 2015. You are forgetting something you should remember from classroom driver's ed: the occupant suffers from TWO crashes in a single car crash: the initial jolt (followed by rapid deceleration) AND the final stop, which sends you flying forward. When you see bulges in the windshield of cars at the junk yard, that was someone's skull, and that person is probably dead.Train passengers can be sit frontward, backward, or sideways and they don't wear seatbelts. Siemens can boast of its car's abilities, but a San Diego Trolley as yet to decelerate from 60mph at 6mphps with train load of people. Be careful what you wish for if you want trains to decelerate at 6mphps. Passengers will get whiplash in one crash and a banged head in the other depending on which way they are facing. Yes it matters whether they were going 10 or 60 mph, because the speed affects the impact in the 2nd crash. |
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Posted by steamdriven on Sun Feb 8 18:54:48 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by ElectricTraction on Sun Feb 8 17:40:33 2015. It's hard to see why people are arguing with you.You could compare braking to starting tractive effort on a loco; for more initial traction they ballast the loco, up to the road's acceptable axle weight. With clean rail (forgetting about rain, leaves etc for the moment) the cf of steel to steel is around 40%. You can't use 100% of that grip because you don't have perfect control over the amount of torque applied to the axle. Braking, same. Friction doesn't care which direction it's working on. That figure doesn't change appreciably according to the weight on the wheel; if the loco weighs 150,000 or 300,000 it has the same coefficient of friction. If train wheels truly do not stick in proportion to increasing axle weight (up to the practical limit) freight trains as configured now wouldn't move. Nobody's going to put brakes on a passenger coach which are both large and sophisticated enough to brake each axle to just short of a slide, detecting and adjusting for wheel slip like a road vehicle with ABS. After all the cost and effort, you'd need to force passengers to sit and be belted in, and they'd still complain, sue, etc. But it's technically possible. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 8 19:11:15 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 8 18:44:23 2015. Bullfrog snot look it up ;-) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 8 19:16:33 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 8 19:11:15 2015. Heh. Now in convenient 55 gallon drums, as seen on TV! |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 8 19:18:24 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 8 19:16:33 2015. if one ounce is $24.95 wonder how much RR would pay ;-) |
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Posted by j trainloco on Sun Feb 8 19:18:39 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 8 17:28:02 2015. I've met a few people who have done things for a long time and are still bad at them. Being wrong or right is not solely dependent on experience. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 8 19:26:06 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by j trainloco on Sun Feb 8 19:18:39 2015. your absolutly right , in my case ask around MN . |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 8 19:42:51 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 8 19:18:24 2015. If they order RIGHT NOW ...
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 8 19:49:42 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 8 19:42:51 2015. and we trow in extra barrel, you just pay shipping........ |
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Posted by j trainloco on Sun Feb 8 19:57:02 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 8 18:48:56 2015. You're fundamentally misunderstanding the "two impacts", and the force that acts on your body during braking.In an accident, the first impact causes the rapid deceleration of the vehicle. Anything not secured (I.e. - your head) continues forward and impacts a surface (this is the second impact). However, both impacts are introduced on the occupant due to the original jerk. Whether you are traveling 80, or 30, when the train undergoes braking force, it acts on your body at the same force. Let's say that the braking rate is -6 mphps. As soon as that negative acceleration is introduced to your body, you begin experiencing jerk. If that jerk rate is too high, it will cause whiplash. However, maximum deceleration is reached and then jerk rate resets to zero, and there is an extended period of constant force felt from the deceleration. If you withstood the initial jerk, then this time period will not really impact you, and if you smashed your face, then you're going to stay pressed against the seatback in front of you. The only impact that speed has on this time period is how long it lasts. Finally, at 0, the jerk rate increases again as the train stops. If the deceleration doesn't tail off, then you'll feel a high jerk rate that will push you back into your seat, but that jerk will be the same, regardless of whether you started at 80, or at 30. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 8 19:57:21 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 8 19:49:42 2015. ... and handling. But wait! There's more!
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Posted by Joe on Sun Feb 8 20:37:43 2015, in response to How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by SLRT on Thu Feb 5 09:14:04 2015. I often ride backwards in an M-7. Does that help in a sudden stop?Thanks. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Feb 8 20:44:52 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by merrick1 on Fri Feb 6 20:03:02 2015. Excellent point. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 8 20:47:15 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 8 17:28:02 2015. He's what the old timers used to call a "paper asshole" inasmuch have all the answers based upon mathematical calculations & laws of physics that justify the argument without spending as much as five minutes in the field running an engine. A must here is weighing the variables of track conditions, weather conditions,wheel sanding capabilities, grade, load, braking abilities of your consist as in brake shoe & disc pad capability etc. that can't be explained on paper. A true know it all who knows nothing. Run some engines & get your hands dirty, sparky, then tell us what you know. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 8 20:50:54 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Joe on Sun Feb 8 20:37:43 2015. The same way as the head protector on automobile seats help when you get rear-ended. It does help. Plus you press into the seat instead of flying out of it. The only downside is that projectiles flying are headed for you as well. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 8 20:51:57 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 8 20:47:15 2015. were is the Like button ;-) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 8 20:59:38 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 8 20:51:57 2015.  You're welcome. :) |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 8 21:00:54 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by j trainloco on Sun Feb 8 19:57:02 2015. And there is the 3rd crash: your internal bodily organs jump around.From the 2nd or 3rd crash, if it starts at 100, you will die. If it start at 10MPH, you will live. |
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Posted by j trainloco on Sun Feb 8 21:54:30 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 8 21:00:54 2015. Yes, but that is because when you hit a brick wall the deceleration and jerk rates are tremendous at 100mph (approaching 100mphps), but much lower at 10mph (only approaching 10mphps). That is not present in controlled braking. |
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Posted by j trainloco on Sun Feb 8 22:00:40 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 8 20:47:15 2015. For better or worse, those days are going away. Engineering has advanced to the point where nearly everything can be, and is calculated. I suppose we can thank aerospace for that, since "winging it" it's really not an option in airplane or rocket design. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Feb 8 22:30:48 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 7 13:43:07 2015. That sounds like a lot. The lights flash for 39 seconds before the gates come down? If that's true, no wonder people think they can get across before the train comes. That interval should be reduced to something like 10 seconds, so people don't get a false sense of confidence about beating the gates. Or is it 39 seconds between when the lights start flashing and when the train is expected to arrive? If so, when in the sequence do the gates come down? |
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Posted by steamdriven on Sun Feb 8 22:49:23 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 8 21:00:54 2015. I won't volunteer for a 100 mph crash. But it is possible to survive even that. Professional idiots, do not attempt, not covered by vehicle warranty :Best not to sleep at the wheel In a hurry to rise from Lower Pottsgrove? It's not the crash that kills, it's the walking away from it. Here's one way to get free room and board. Will Andy Cuomo cite these misunderstood youths for his proposal to end charging younger felons as adults? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Feb 9 01:01:35 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Feb 8 22:30:48 2015. Oops, I saw the clarification from Lion. Please ignore. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Mon Feb 9 01:05:52 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 8 14:28:37 2015. Wouldn't it be fun to take a road test and have a camera like Candid Camera used to have and use that feature to parallel park the car when asked to do so it would be fun to see the examiners face. Karl |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Feb 9 05:54:24 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 7 14:09:54 2015. Very interesting and important information. If she followed other vehicles onto the crossing before the lights were even flashing, then all the focus on lights and sight lines is completely misplaced. Also, the sign saying "do not stop on tracks" might not be to the point, if she wasn't expecting to stop when she entered the crossing (the vehicle in front of her was moving when she entered and then stopped without leaving her room to get across). How about a sign before the crossing (at the white stop line) saying "Stop HERE if the crossing's not CLEAR"? It rhymes! Direct and to the point.Yes, it should actually say if the crossing and room for your car on the other side are not clear, but that is hard to say simply. "Stop HERE if the tracks you can't CLEAR"? The poetic construction doesn't seem appropriate for a road sign. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Feb 9 07:25:37 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Feb 5 17:14:12 2015. Most unfortunately, this has often been the case. I remember about 20 years ago, I was visiting Garden City on business, and I noticed that LIRR had tried to improve safety at the crossing on Stewart Ave (I think...), with a much larger, high-mounted signal system, at the height of regular traffic lights- so motorists would definitely see it.Yet the NIMBYs in a commercial neighborhood, no less, screamed murder that it was ugly, and the LIRR wasn't able to turn it on. I was only the area for a few days, so I don't know how the story ended. But this is also why I've described eliminating the grade crossings as a long-term solution. Do it one crossing at a time, when the will is there. For example, there probably wouldn't be too much opposition in the near future to eliminating the crossing at Commerce Street in Valhalla. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Feb 9 07:27:23 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Feb 5 19:41:19 2015. I wish this was so, but no.A person cannot, in the USA, be held criminally liable because he legally protested something. Even if the protest was stupid, and the something necessary, and the powers that be listened to the stupid protest. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 9 07:28:36 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 8 17:27:33 2015. No I haven't. And you don't need that much time. Just click on the link on this post to the previous post and repeat until you see the post where you claimed that PCCs don't go 60 mph. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Feb 9 07:29:22 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Feb 6 12:50:41 2015. Is this an issue that could be corrected without re-designing the entire railroad's power system?If it can be fixed easily, it should be. But if it would require changing the whole railroad, including railcars to over-running third rail, I would disagree. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 9 07:31:08 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by j trainloco on Sun Feb 8 21:54:30 2015. Pwn3d |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 9 07:32:03 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by j trainloco on Sun Feb 8 19:18:39 2015. Exactly! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Feb 9 07:32:07 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 6 20:41:19 2015. Wow. Yeah. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 9 07:32:33 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 8 19:26:06 2015. You've been wrong countless times. How do you explain THAT?? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 9 07:33:22 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Feb 8 20:47:15 2015. Wrong. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 9 07:34:45 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 8 18:13:07 2015. OWNED!!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 9 07:35:29 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 8 17:40:53 2015. And THAT's why you're wrong. DRN is wrong too. You are batting for the losing team. Pity. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 9 07:36:07 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 8 17:50:33 2015. Which is why you are wrong. Plus you trust DRN! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Feb 9 07:36:19 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Feb 6 12:24:27 2015. That would indeed be best. But a system that's dependent on all humans to do the right thing all the time will produce results like we just saw here. So I say, the first step is to improve the existing crossings, such as with more prominent warning lights and coordinated with nearby traffic signals.Lone term, these crossings need to be eliminated. Will it be possible to do them all in my lifetime? Probably not. But identify some as priorities, and start there. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Feb 9 07:36:38 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by ElectricTraction on Sun Feb 8 17:46:42 2015. +55555 for engineering! |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 9 08:33:01 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Feb 9 07:25:37 2015. LIRR always cowers to NIMBY's. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 9 08:47:55 2015, in response to Re: How Railroad Could Have Avoided / Ameliorated Fiery Crash, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Feb 9 07:25:37 2015. Since a disaster happened there, that crossing, and only that crossing, will probably go.Herricks Road crossing on the LIRR is gone because of this: http://nyti.ms/1DwyYoq Only one other crossing in Mineola is gone. 2 remain as do all 3 in NHP. |
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