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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Mar 23 10:20:08 2014 Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First RunsThe first R-40's entered service today on the "F" Line. The consist was (s) 4351-0, 4359-8, 4352-3 and 4354-5. Source: NYD Bulletin April 1968 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 23 11:42:22 2014, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Mar 23 10:20:08 2014. Here they are at 179th St that day:
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Posted by seabeachexpress on Sun Mar 23 11:50:43 2014, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Mar 23 10:20:08 2014. What a lousy spring , the spring of 68 was. MLK and RFK assinated, the war in Vietnam is raging and the worse and ugliest cars ever made for the NYCTA go into service. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Mar 23 11:53:23 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by seabeachexpress on Sun Mar 23 11:50:43 2014. they were originally designed for the 2nd ave.subway and were supposed to run at 70 mph.I loved the RAILFAN DOOR. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Mar 23 12:34:58 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 23 11:42:22 2014. I really liked that front route sign. You had no question about what train was coming into the station.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Mar 23 12:46:39 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Mar 23 12:34:58 2014. Right on! You knew from the far end of the platform whether to stand back or move forward. Aesthecically challenged, awful choice of materials. Makes one think it was a revision from SLC's lost bid for the BART cars. |
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Posted by bzuck on Sun Mar 23 14:09:26 2014, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Mar 23 10:20:08 2014. Only 8 cars? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 23 14:20:50 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Mar 23 12:46:39 2014. Yeah, the R160's are frustrating. Sometimes can't tell if the arriving train is an E or an F until it's literally on top of you. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 23 14:23:55 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by bzuck on Sun Mar 23 14:09:26 2014. 3/23/68 was a Saturday. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Mar 23 15:00:13 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 23 14:20:50 2014. It took literally 20 years for the bus vendors to get the electronic headsigns legible, but the rail folks seem to have ignored all of the lessons. You would think that having invented color coding fields for the route letters/## that since colored LEDs exist MTA would spec the proper colors on a decent sized screen, but, no. With all the whining about ADA induced features, which are generally useful for everyone, this was missed.Using colored marker lights worked well for passengers who bothered to learn the system. My late aunt in Chicago taught me the colors on the IC Electric when I was a kid--highly useful when you want to stay under the platform roof heaters until the last minute. CTA used a red field for Express Buses and on the L A and B trains had different color fields. |
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Posted by chud1 on Sun Mar 23 18:16:43 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 23 11:42:22 2014. 5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars on this picture.chud1 :).... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Mar 23 19:22:14 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Mar 23 12:34:58 2014. Believe it or not, I didn't notice that sign the first time I saw them at 34th St. because I was so used to looking above the storm door. My mother had to point it out to me. My sister even liked them and she is definitely not a subway enthusiast. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Mar 23 19:23:57 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Mar 23 11:53:23 2014. IIRC the R-44s and R-46s were designed for 70 mph speeds on the 2nd Ave. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Mar 23 19:24:55 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 23 14:23:55 2014. I vivdly remember ten-car Ethel trains on Saturdays back then. Not to mention ten-car Abbotts and eight-car double Abbotts. |
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Posted by zac on Sun Mar 23 19:44:08 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 23 11:42:22 2014. I was at Nathan's the first time I saw one. The thing I didn't understand even back then were the side signs. They had no flexibility. Not that long later when they started moving cars around there weren't signs for all the routes. The R40/42/44 only had the signs for the route they were assigned to. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Mar 23 19:48:47 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Mar 23 19:23:57 2014. that may be true but the slants were the 1st. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Sun Mar 23 19:52:53 2014, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Mar 23 10:20:08 2014. What's interesting is that just last Friday, the New York Transit Museum's Facebook page posted this photo of a rollsign and on the comments, it's said that they hope to have the surviving R40 pair, 4280-81 (ex, 4380-81), worked on this summer.Someone's also willing to donate an original R40 rollsign as well. Would be amazing to see this in person. |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Mon Mar 24 00:11:22 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by seabeachexpress on Sun Mar 23 11:50:43 2014. Notice the floor above the anti-climber was already rusted or discolored here on the first day of service. For a new train, it really looks dull. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 24 03:13:13 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Mar 23 19:48:47 2014. The 40's were a replacement order for the early IND R1 cars and the Standards.It was no surprise that they went to Jamaica given the fact that the Prewar cars were falling apart there.Funny thing about that...when they were sent to the East for JJ,M and LL service,DO got them in shape quick where as there were little problems.They didn't belong there,but they were Eastern Division cars from that moment onward. the 40s were fast as hell,rough on riders,loud as crap and sweet as a new girlfriend...the SAS,meanwhile,a victim of the times,Should have been built during the 50's but not at the cost of watching the rest of the system fall apart...which it did anyway. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 24 03:19:19 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Sun Mar 23 19:52:53 2014. Funny thing..the MM is now in service,while all the others are gone. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 24 03:33:29 2014, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Mar 23 10:20:08 2014. Eight cars..?I remember on weekends most IND lines ran shorter trains particularly at night. BMT lines were awful for that..six car QJ..six car D trains. |
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Posted by renee gil on Mon Mar 24 05:51:22 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 23 14:23:55 2014. yeah trains used to be cut short on weekends back then. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 24 06:40:16 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by zac on Sun Mar 23 19:44:08 2014. Which is why by 1978 they went to the smaller bullets still used today. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 24 06:42:01 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Mar 23 19:24:55 2014. Probably the norm, but back then you could get away with an 8 car F train on a weekend. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Mon Mar 24 07:23:23 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Mon Mar 24 00:11:22 2014. Imagine if they had given BUDD the order? Same design....in stainless steel! :D |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Mon Mar 24 07:28:24 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Mon Mar 24 00:11:22 2014. Imagine if they had given BUDD the order? Same design....in stainless steel! :D |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Mon Mar 24 09:04:39 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Mon Mar 24 07:28:24 2014. That's exactly the difference. When the Brightliners were new, they were bright. The fiberglass front on the slants was dull from the outset making them, in my view, unimpressive in spite of their different design. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Mar 24 09:17:26 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 24 03:13:13 2014. Only toward the end of their lives were the slants assigned to the east. Even before that, early post GOH, even though they were on the M, they were assigned to CIYD for maintenance. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Mar 24 09:21:51 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 24 03:33:29 2014. As a c/r from late 1979 thru early 1981, it was not uncommon to have a 4 car train of 60' cars on the F after the PM rush & weekend evenings.The first R38 I ever rode was on a late Saturday morning 4 car train from 179 to 34/6. |
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Posted by 5119 on Mon Mar 24 09:28:12 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Mar 23 15:00:13 2014. I first rode them on 4/8/68. I was at West 4th street and an F train came into the station. I was on the uptown side. Around 8:40AM |
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Posted by Randyo on Mon Mar 24 18:04:25 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Mon Mar 24 09:04:39 2014. Even if Budd had built the R-40s and 42s, they would still have had the fiberglass end bonnets like the LIRR M-1s which were Budd built since that was what the specs called for. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Mar 24 18:49:22 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 24 03:13:13 2014. The slants were quick all right. Never will forget that CPW dash on a slant Abbott on Easter Sunday in 1978. That train positively rocketed past those seven local stops. Wish I'd timed that run. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Mar 24 18:50:51 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 24 06:42:01 2014. I wonder if it had anything to do with the fact that by then, Fred trains were running via the Culver to Coney Island. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Mar 24 18:53:29 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Mar 24 09:21:51 2014. Once in a while an eight-car Abbott would pull into 42nd on a Saturday morning and I'd have to make a dash for the first car because I was all the way at the end of the platform. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 24 20:26:14 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Mar 24 18:49:22 2014. I wish I'd been on that run. By the time I got to ride it was all timers. |
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Posted by renee gil on Mon Mar 24 22:16:06 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 24 03:33:29 2014. the RR used to run six cars on weekends as well.the same goes for the 7 line. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 24 22:52:15 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Mar 24 09:17:26 2014. I'm sorry..my post wasnt clear enough.i was basically referring to the Prewar R6-9 units that came from JAM to the east replaced by the 40/40a cars. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Mar 25 00:10:33 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by renee gil on Mon Mar 24 22:16:06 2014. When I worked the RR in the summer weekend pick of 1980 as a c/r the would run 4 cars after 7 PM. |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Tue Mar 25 03:13:16 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 23 11:42:22 2014. Loved them in those days. You literally had the same view forward through the storm door as the motorman did in his cab. At express speeds, you felt like you were flying. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 25 04:01:55 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 23 11:42:22 2014. not at all like the cars designed..they looked like that due to the TA tinkering with the roof line..slanted end AND interior..making the car appear more like a R38 with elongated windows and raked back front end.they turned the car into a "old car with new clothes". the TRUE R40 DESIGN was more in line with the BART cars..flatter roof line..better interior ascetics made with hard plastics and far better seating in a bench style. their tinkering made the car a rolling death trap..by sticking with the MARRIED PAIR CONCEPT,instead of the 5 car set like LOEWEY wanted. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 25 04:17:04 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 25 04:01:55 2014. I had HEARD something along those lines many years ago. Hate to do this, but is there any proff of that? Be a really neat story since I did hear something like that many years ago. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 25 04:39:15 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 25 04:17:04 2014. my pops told me about it..my dad told me the "car people" didn't like what the 40 represented..they wanted a "functional car for POINT A to B service with NONE of that newfangled stuff with bells and whistles..and if it was up to them,every car would look the same. He said..they were forced to go along with the new 44 cars design since some guy made a sink about it in the papers[Either that or get the boot]..and ROCKEFELLER made a big deal about bring the "commuter car feel" to the SECOND AVE SUBWAY to match his plans for the LIRR. Pops was a buff on the down low..and kept up with the scuttlebutt. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 25 04:44:43 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 25 04:39:15 2014. Heh. Yeah, back in "our" time, you'd best not LET anybody know you loved trains ... I got into it because I did, told a couple of folks who were obvious that I worked with, and got cautioned out the ass to NEVER let anyone know. "Buffs" were the plague even back then. :)But yeah, I heard that too back in 1970, along with 76th Street. I'd LOVE to see what they actually had in mind because despite the shovel nose, the 40's were kind cute. DANGEROUS, but cute. I'm sure there was more to what the original design was and sure would love to see it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 25 08:49:50 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 25 04:01:55 2014. Had they made them into five car sets, I'd wager half the fleet would be unavailable for service on any given day in 1980-81. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 25 08:52:41 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 25 04:39:15 2014. my dad told me the "car people" didn't like what the 40 represented..they wanted a "functional car for POINT A to B service with NONE of that newfangled stuff with bells and whistles..and if it was up to them,every car would look the same.40 years later, that dream has come true. 
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Mar 25 09:04:18 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Mon Mar 24 09:04:39 2014. Obviously the front of car should have been cleaned up.As a side, those cars were on the property a very long time before the first day of service, much longer than the 32's and 38's, because during the winter the fiberglass fronts were cracking during testing, thought to be from the winter cold. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Mar 25 10:16:33 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Mar 23 12:34:58 2014. I remember those cars on the E and F in the 1970s, when I was a little guy. Somehow, the slant front and large sign made them seem "aggressive" (I didn't know the word then, but still had the impression), and therefore, appropriate for use on the express. Also, once R44s and R46s came on the F first, the E seemed really like the bully on the block, as it was all (or mostly) Slant 40s for a good while longer.In their last years on the BMT (usually the W, but sometimes the N), I could always tell when one was coming into the station, as they were much louder than R68s. But my fondest memory was sometime in November or December of 1999, on a very gray morning, when I caught one on the J out of Broad Street. I remember the "J" on the roll sign was different from the "J" on the R42s... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Mar 25 10:19:14 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Mar 23 14:20:50 2014. That problem could have been prevented (also on the R142/142As) with use of an appropriately colored front route sign. As we all know, the technology to do that exists and is relatively inexpensive. |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Tue Mar 25 14:09:29 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Tue Mar 25 09:04:18 2014. Fiberglass fronts cracking, maybe from the cold? That's interesting! Thanks! |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Tue Mar 25 14:10:47 2014, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - March 23, 1968 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Randyo on Mon Mar 24 18:04:25 2014. Was it not frightening for a T/O to work behind fiberglass rather than steel? |
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