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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 13:46:38 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 1 12:50:51 2013.

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True.

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 1 13:47:37 2013, in response to PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Fred G on Sun Dec 1 09:04:53 2013.

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What's that gully just to the north of the engine? It looks like it has undermined part of the s/b local track. It might also have undermined part of the express track but that's conjecture because of the photo angle.

I don't see any such gully at the same spot on Google Maps

https://maps.google.com/?ll=40.880847,-73.923101&spn=0.000392,0.000603&t=h&z=21

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 13:47:39 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 1 12:52:28 2013.

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Yes, longer braking distance but it doesn't sound like this train slowed from 75 to 45 instead of 30, for example.

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Dec 1 13:49:39 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Dec 1 13:14:11 2013.

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kew gardens teleport NEVER stays on topic!!!

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 13:54:31 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by d to e to jamaica on Sun Dec 1 11:17:14 2013.

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Lion's joke, while in somewhat poor taste, is an understandable response to tragedy. And it has nothing whatsoever to do with the ignorance of reporters.



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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 13:55:00 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 1 13:47:37 2013.

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Not sure that's a gully or some sort of shadow effect.

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by Charles G on Sun Dec 1 14:12:27 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 1 13:47:37 2013.

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Perhaps it is where the lead car first left the tracks.

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 1 14:12:50 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by d to e to jamaica on Sun Dec 1 11:17:14 2013.

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Remember CNN in the 1990's with teh Captiol Ltd/ MARC Kensington wreck ? They said the Amtrak engine "was definitely pushing freight cars".
Today CNN is doing pretty good. Glad Anderson Cooper is not doing any reporting.


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Re: Speed Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 1 14:16:21 2013, in response to Speed Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 10:02:43 2013.

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If so,from 75 right to 30 is a design flaw in the system.

LIRR Far Rockaway trains get taken down in at least 2 stages from City Line to the 15MPH curve at Valley, or MP54's and M-1's would have been all over Sunrise Hwy at some point. Crawling along at 30MPH past Green Acres for a mile is a drag, but necessary.

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(FDNY press confernce) Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment

Posted by Gold_12th on Sun Dec 1 15:05:44 2013, in response to Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Dec 1 07:55:15 2013.

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(Cuomo press conference) Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment

Posted by Gold_12th on Sun Dec 1 15:10:35 2013, in response to Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Dec 1 07:55:15 2013.

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http://media.newyork.cbslocal.com/CBSNY_20131201103853063AA.mp4 {.mp4 video format}


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Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 1 15:57:58 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 1 09:03:39 2013.

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It's the only way they'd go that far away from the rails. Indications are brake failure according to the engineer who was interviewed by Reuters. However passengers on the train said that it had been running for a long while "much faster than usual." :(

Not good.

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 1 16:05:05 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 1 12:50:51 2013.

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... OR "Stupidity."

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by Tony Clifton on Sun Dec 1 16:05:20 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 13:46:38 2013.

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True yes.

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Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment

Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 16:14:59 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 1 15:57:58 2013.

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However passengers on the train said that it had been running for a long while "much faster than usual."

Given that the speed limit appears to be 75 until just before the curve, that doesn't sound TOO likely.





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Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 16:23:53 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 16:14:59 2013.

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It may be 75, but as a frequent rider on that line, I know that most engineers slow down to well below 75 some time before the curve.

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by WillD on Sun Dec 1 16:54:40 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 11:03:13 2013.

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I'd expect anyone who worked for the railroad responsible for the tragedy and may have lost colleagues to make themselves rather scarce unil such time as all facts regarding the crash are disclosed lest their speculation be taken the wrong way by those colleagues or management. But that's just me.

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 17:00:00 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by WillD on Sun Dec 1 16:54:40 2013.

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Huh? The joke in questionable taste was made by Broadway Lion. He is not an MNRR employee. The MNRR employees have not engaged in speculation or said anything that could be construed as a negative remark about their colleagues or their management.



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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by WillD on Sun Dec 1 17:10:26 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 17:00:00 2013.

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Eh, if it's worth saying, let the incident commander say it at their press conference.

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Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 1 17:10:52 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 1 15:57:58 2013.

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While the train may have exceeded the MAS thru the area, it doesn't mean the train was speeding. It may have been brake failure which prevented the engineer from slowing down in time. Just north of this area thru Riverdale the MAS is 70 MPH and I've ridden the line enough to know that experienced engineers go as fast as allowed up to the very point they have to slow down.

My gut sez that the brakes failed and the train was still going too fast to navigate the SD curve.

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 1 17:12:14 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by WillD on Sun Dec 1 17:10:26 2013.

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Why WillD you usually spout of your cock hole when not asked.


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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by j trainloco on Sun Dec 1 17:15:53 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Dec 1 12:06:12 2013.

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Photos of the scene don't show excessive leaf cover on the right of way. And that would be an awful lot of wheel slip.

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 1 17:19:44 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by j trainloco on Sun Dec 1 17:15:53 2013.

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Seems unlikely every single car lost rail adhesion.

I'm going with brake failure.

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 17:21:27 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by WillD on Sun Dec 1 17:10:26 2013.

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???

There have been very interesting and informative facts provided by the MNRR employees in these threads. Things like how the cab signals work, etc.




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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 17:23:14 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 1 17:19:44 2013.

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What makes an entire train lose its brakes?


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Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 1 17:28:57 2013, in response to Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 1 17:10:52 2013.

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Very possible. What I posted was what I gleaned from various reports we got up here.

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 1 17:29:16 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 17:23:14 2013.

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That's a question for DRN.

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by Fred G on Sun Dec 1 17:29:26 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 17:23:14 2013.

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Terrorism.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 1 17:39:54 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 1 17:29:16 2013.

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brake stand control valve failure ?


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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by WillD on Sun Dec 1 17:50:35 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 1 17:21:27 2013.

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One MNRR employee has provided informative and interesting facts. The other, not so much.

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by j trainloco on Sun Dec 1 17:53:55 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 1 17:39:54 2013.

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What? There isn't some sort of secondary valve in the cab that could be applied in an emergency?

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 1 18:08:11 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 1 17:39:54 2013.

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Nah ... one of our experts here ASSURES us that something like that can NEVER happen. Nope. :-\

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 1 18:09:44 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by j trainloco on Sun Dec 1 17:53:55 2013.

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if brakes are not set right even a emergency application (dimp) is not gone work.


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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by kew gardens teleport on Sun Dec 1 18:16:01 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Dec 1 13:49:39 2013.

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WADL

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Dec 1 18:30:08 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Fred G on Sun Dec 1 17:29:26 2013.

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That is one that I was thinking about, but said nothing. I'm not sure how a terrorist would do it on this kind of equipment, but maybe a cock valve could still do it.

ROAR

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 1 18:48:53 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Dec 1 18:30:08 2013.

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There are ways a terrorist could tamper with the brake system on a train like this one, but these would involve multiple defeats of the system. Not sure if anyone could pull it off undetected.

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 1 18:50:41 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 1 18:48:53 2013.

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Especially after the train made numerous successful stops prior to where it went off the rails. I've been in a situation where the brakes performed flawlessly until ...

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 1 18:53:49 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 1 18:50:41 2013.

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Exactly.

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 1 18:55:25 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 1 18:53:49 2013.

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NTSB *has* the recorder, so hopefully we'll know what happened. The engineer on this train was no rookie.

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by Fred G on Sun Dec 1 19:00:19 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Dec 1 18:30:08 2013.

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That's not a serious theory. I think there are enough backups and it would be difficult to pull it off in the first place.

your pal,
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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by j trainloco on Sun Dec 1 19:03:47 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 1 18:09:44 2013.

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If the brakes are not set right? What do you mean?

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(Dead people ID); Breaking News MNRR Derailment

Posted by Gold_12th on Sun Dec 1 19:06:04 2013, in response to Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Dec 1 07:55:15 2013.

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A Metro-North train derailed in New York City Sunday morning, killing four people on board and scattering rail cars near the water's edge, authorities said.

The southbound diesel train on the Hudson line derailed about 100 yards from the Spuyten Duyvil station in the Bronx at about 7:30 a.m., a railroad spokeswoman said. Officials said there were 63 others injured, with 11 in critical condition. Three of the dead were ejected from the train, a Metro-North spokeswoman said.

"It's obviously a very tragic situation," said New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who arrived at the scene. "What we do know is four people lost their lives today in the holiday season, right after Thanksgiving."

Investigators with the National Transportation Safety Board arrived Sunday. Earl Weener, an NTSB board member, said officials expect to learn the speed at which the train was travelling from its event recorder, similar to an airplane's black box.

The train left Poughkeepsie at 5:54 a.m. and derailed at 7:22 a.m., said Metropolitan Transportation Authority chairman Tom Prendergast.

The speed limit is 30 miles per hour in the area of the derailment, a sharp curve where the Hudson Line tracks turn east from the banks of the Hudson River to follow the course of the Harlem River, north of Manhattan. It isn't clear how fast the train was traveling when it derailed, Metro-North spokeswoman Marjorie Anders said.

There were no slow-speed restrictions in place on the area of track where the derailment occurred, Ms. Anders said.

The train ordinarily carries about 100 passengers, but holiday traffic could have boosted the total to about 150 riders, Ms. Anders said.

A law enforcement official identified the fatally injured passengers as James Lovell, 58, of Cold Spring, N.Y.; James Ferrari, 59, of Montrose, N.Y.; Donna Smith, 54, of Newburgh, N.Y., and a 35-year-old Queens woman whose family had not been notified.

Mr. Prendergast said the train's operator was among the injured. A law enforcement official identified the operator as William Rockefeller. There were three conductors on the train.

A union official who represents Metro-North workers called the derailment "the worst thing I've seen in 38 years" working on the railroad. The operator was a roughly 20-year veteran of the railroad, Metro-North said.

"The whole railroad's praying right now," said James Fahey, the director of the executive board of Association of Commuter Rail Employees. "Everybody's upset about the deaths."

Spuyten Duyvil is the inlet where the Harlem River meets the Hudson River, just north of Manhattan. None of the cars reached the water, Ms. Anders said. NYPD divers were searching the water and had not found any victims, said Office of Emergency Management Commissioner Joseph Bruno in a televised interview.

The crash is the second major derailment in one year for Metro-North, which calls itself the busiest commuter rail line in the country, and one that has previously had a good record for safety.

Among the injured was an NYPD officer, who suffered a broken collar bone and fractured ribs, according to a spokesman for St. Barnabas Hospital. A 14-year-old boy was also treated and released from the hospital.

Dr. Ernest Patti, senior attending physician of emergency medicine at St. Barnabas, said some passengers were in shock and traumatized by the experience.

"You watch these crazy horror movies or disaster movies and you say 'oh that's only in the movies,'" he said. "But when you're actually in a vehicle like that that's going 50, 60 mph, whatever it is, and comes off the track and starts going through the woods or the marsh, that has to be a traumatic experience."

Ryan Kelly, 26, of Yorktown Heights, was on his morning commute to the city from Croton Harmon when he awoke to the disaster. "We came around the bend; I was sleeping with head phones on. I heard screeching, I felt the tilt, and I woke up. I smashed into the overhead [storage area], then blocked my face with this hand," Mr.Kelly said, displaying a heavily gauze-wrapped left hand. "There was a lot of screaming, and a lot of bodies flying around."

Dazed, Mr. Kelly emerged from the train and was shocked at the wreckage around him. "All the cars were smoking, people were knocking out windows, crawling out... they say my hand is shattered above the wrist, and that my bicep is torn at the shoulder."

A graphic designer for Century 21 Department Stores in Tribeca, Mr. Kelly hopes to return to work Monday, although he acknowledges it will be difficult since his job requires two hands. "I had been listening to Christmas music on my headphones," he said. "It's like something out of a movie."

Eddie Hoti's second-floor apartment balcony at 2400 Johnson Ave. overlooks the tracks. "I saw dust. I heard a lot of squeaking," said Mr. Hoti, 44, who is the superintendent at his building. "I don't know if it's a speed issue, but I hear these trains squeaking on a daily basis

"The response was unbelievably quick. They were here within minutes. We saw two scuba divers, they spent 20 or 30 minutes, making sure no one got thrown into the water from the first car."

FDNY Chief of Department Edward Kilduff said some people were pinned by broken seats and other objects, and rescuers used airbags under the train to remove some of the critically injured.

A few cars remain very unstable, and fire officials are working to stabilize them by using jacks and airbags underneath.

The injured were taken to several city hospitals.

In May, one train on the railroad's New Haven line derailed near Bridgeport, Conn., and was immediately sideswiped by another train headed in the opposite direction. That accident caused dozens of injuries, several of them severe, and interrupted service on the busy Northeast Corridor for days.

In hearings before the National Transportation Safety Board in November, railroad officials acknowledged deficiencies in track maintenance in the area of the Bridgeport derailment. Metro-North has redoubled track improvement work and inspections since the accident, the railroad's president, Howard Permut, said to the NTSB.

The railroad didn't immediately give a cause for Sunday's crash.

A freight train carrying trash derailed on the Hudson Line in July, also near Spuyten Duyvil, hampering service for days until the derailed cars could be removed.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303670804579231830633455674

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MTA Shuttle Buses Monday -Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 19:13:07 2013, in response to Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Dec 1 07:55:15 2013.

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Following this morning’s derailment of a Hudson Line train in the Bronx, MTA Metro-North Railroad will continue to provide bus service from the Tarrytown Station to the White Plains Station on the Harlem Line until 2 a.m. Monday.
Beginning at 5 a.m. Monday, MTA Bus will provide a bus shuttle between the Yonkers Station and the 242nd Street terminus of the Broadway 1 Subway Line Icon local subway, until further notice.
New York City Subways will operate two additional 1 Subway Line Icon local trains per hour during the peak periods.
Hudson Line will continue to be cross-honored on the subway.
Many of the 26,000 people who use the Hudson Line on an average weekday are encouraged to ride the Harlem Line as an alternative.
People who do not have to travel are urged to telecommute. People should expect crowded trains.
In cooperation with Westchester and Putnam counties and local municipalities, special parking is being arranged to accommodate additional drivers at the Southeast Station at the northern terminus of the Harlem line and at Kensico Dam, which is in walking distance to the Valhalla station. Riders should consult mta.info for additional information on the continuing repair effort and service restoration.
Metro-North Customer Service representatives will be on hand to assist customers in making the transfers.
Cranes and other special heavy equipment are being positioned to remove the rail cars from the area so that repairs can begin. The equipment will arrive this evening begin work following clearance from the NTSB and work will continue through the night.
The accident occurred just before 7:30 a.m. on Sunday, a southbound, Hudson Line train with about 120 passengers on board derailed just north of the Spuyten Duyvil station in the Bronx. All cars derailed.
The National Transportation Safety Board sent a team of investigators who arrived on Sunday and immediately began documenting the scene. Metro-North is cooperating fully with that investigation. With NTSB approval, Metro-North workers will begin clearing the cars, using cranes and heavy equipment.

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Re: MTA Shuttle Buses Monday -Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 19:16:36 2013, in response to MTA Shuttle Buses Monday -Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 19:13:07 2013.

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Very poor announcement. Can anyone tell if there are trains from Tarrytown to Yonkers? It doesn't say so, but if not, why run buses from Yonkers to the 1 train? Of course there are no trains south of Yonkers, but the release doesn't say this either.

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Re: MTA Shuttle Buses Monday -Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 19:18:51 2013, in response to MTA Shuttle Buses Monday -Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 19:13:07 2013.

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Here's a better announcement:

Special Service Notices
Hudson Line Service Alert: For Monday, December 2, limited Hudson Line service will operate due to the train derailment in the vicinity of Spuyten Duyvil station. See full service details.

Customers should expect delays and crowded conditions. For southbound service, limited train service will operate between Poughkeepsie and Yonkers stations only and connect with shuttle bus service to Van Cortlandt Park-242 Street for No. 1 Subway service into Manhattan. For northbound service between Yonkers and Poughkeepsie stations only, customers should take the S Shuttle from Grand Central to Times Square for No. 1 Subway Service to Van Cortlandt Park-242 Street. Bus service will operate to Yonkers Station .

Customers are encouraged to take the Harlem or New Haven Lines if possible. Hudson Line tickets will be cross honored on these lines.


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Re: MTA Shuttle Buses Monday -Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 19:20:38 2013, in response to Re: MTA Shuttle Buses Monday -Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 19:18:51 2013.

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And a better one: (Why 3 different notices on mta.info I don't know)

Hudson Line Service Update

For Monday, December 2, limited Hudson Line service will operate due to the train derailment in the vicinity of Spuyten Duyvil station. Harlem and New Haven Line service will operate regular schedules; customers should expect delays and crowded conditions.

For southbound service, limited train service will operate between Poughkeepsie and Yonkers stations only and connect with shuttle bus service to Van Cortlandt Park-242 Street for No. 1 Subway service into Manhattan.

For northbound service between Yonkers and Poughkeepsie stations only, customers should take the S Shuttle from Grand Central to Times Square for No. 1 Subway Service to Van Cortlandt Park-242 Street. Bus service will operate to Yonkers Station and connect with limited train service to Poughkeepsie.

Special schedules to/from Yonkers and Poughkeepsie stations are posted on the schedules page. Customers are encouraged to ride the Harlem and New Haven Lines as an alternative. Hudson Line tickets will be cross honored for these services.

Additional parking will be provided at the following Harlem Line locations:

• Kensico Dam, 600 Park Drive West, Valhalla – 150 parking spaces, which is walking distance to the Valhalla Station.
• Southeast Station – additional parking along Independent Way,, which is walking distance to Southeast Station.

People who do not have to travel are urged to telecommute or carpool if possible.

Customers at stations between Riverdale and Yankees-E.153rd Street stations are urged to use NYC Transit subway and/or bus service. Ludlow customers should use Yonkers Station. Hudson Rail Link buses will operate at Riverdale and Spuyten Duyvil, connecting to No. 1 Subway service.

For the remainder of today (Sun., Dec. 1): Hudson Line service between Tarrytown and Poughkeepsie will operate with bus service being provided between White Plains and Tarrytown Stations for customers wishing to travel in and out of Grand Central. Customers are strongly recommended to make alternate service plans. Customers at stations between Irvington and Yankees-E. 153rd St. Stations are urged to use the Harlem Line, NYCT Subway and/or bus service. Hudson Line tickets will be cross honored for these services.

Please continue to check this website and the news media for updates and listen for station announcements.


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Re: MTA Shuttle Buses Monday -Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 19:26:26 2013, in response to MTA Shuttle Buses Monday -Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 1 19:13:07 2013.

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They are running 4 trains an hour peak hours from Croton to Yonkers (2 express originating in Poughkeepsie, and 2 locals), and 2 trains an hour mid-day.

The temporary schedule says this:

"Transfer to bus shuttles from the New York City Subway 1 at 242 St-Van Cortlandt Park to Yonkers Station."

But it does not say what time the bus shuttles leave 242 for Yonkers.

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Re: Breaking News MNRR Derailment

Posted by Neil Feldman on Sun Dec 1 19:27:10 2013, in response to Breaking News MNRR Derailment, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Dec 1 07:55:15 2013.

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Prayers go out to the families of those who perished!

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by kew gardens teleport on Sun Dec 1 19:42:55 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by Fred G on Sun Dec 1 19:00:19 2013.

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Multiple backups only reduce the risk of catastrophic failure. It is much much less likely that multiple catastrophic failure will happen, but if you do enough tests, one of them may be the one in however many case.

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Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 1 19:44:03 2013, in response to Re: PHOTO - Genny on its side, posted by j trainloco on Sun Dec 1 19:03:47 2013.

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brake failure.


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