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Posted by MTA T on Wed Oct 23 23:00:47 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Oct 23 22:43:32 2013. They need to preserve 7267 tbh... they already have an R17 (6609?) at the NYCTM. |
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Posted by MTA T on Wed Oct 23 23:01:47 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Oct 23 22:44:44 2013. They should definitely save the R14, but I think the R12 should be a parts car since they already have R12 5760 at the TM (unless RPC looks to preserve 5782). |
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Posted by CJ on Thu Oct 24 01:11:01 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by MTA T on Wed Oct 23 23:00:47 2013. I don't see 7267 being saved. 6895 could be saved, but like Friday said, it's been exposed to the elements. Now I could see parts from both cars being used to bring 7486 back to life, but that's a stretch. |
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Posted by Stef on Thu Oct 24 01:31:42 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by CJ on Thu Oct 24 01:11:01 2013. 6895 was the car to save, there was interest in it early on. For a time, it had track space inside the inspection barn at Mosholu Yard and was later put outside at CCY and forgotten.I reported on the old Subtalk about how 6895 was moved to Mosholu with the Jerome Based R33ML Cars. It was the north operating motor in that consist. With that car stripped I can't see it making a miraculous comeback. 7486 is beyond hope and so is 7267. 7267 is missing the anti-climber on one operating end. Forget it! -Stef |
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Posted by Stef on Thu Oct 24 01:34:59 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by MTA T on Wed Oct 23 23:00:47 2013. There's an R21 and R22 already preserved for the NYTM.-Stef |
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Posted by Stef on Thu Oct 24 01:44:28 2013, in response to R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:18:57 2013. Thanks for following them on their journeys out of 207th St.It was always the plan to get rid of them. You yourself can see the shape 8145 was in when it departed... -Stef |
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Posted by Stef on Thu Oct 24 01:49:03 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Oct 23 00:39:41 2013. And you've learned a valuable lesson in the 20+ years of working with 6398...It's a lifetime commitment!When you do finally "drop", someone else will pick up the welder and continue your work. It's not at all hopeless, you just have to do some re-evaluating and look at the big picture. -Stef |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Oct 24 01:51:15 2013, in response to R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:18:57 2013. loved those cars. sad to see them go. |
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Posted by MTA T on Thu Oct 24 08:25:56 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Stef on Thu Oct 24 01:34:59 2013. I know that, but they were converted into revenue cars lol. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Oct 24 08:47:28 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by r17-6599 on Tue Oct 22 22:29:20 2013. And there was a strange smell of newness, perhaps it was the plastic/ fibreglass finishings, the rubber moldings. Never knew what it was but the R27/30's had it for a long time, while the IRT cars did not.I can identify with that. As a kid, I used to ride my bike up Newkirk Ave. to the Brighton Line station overpass to wait for my dad who returned from work at the Post office. I used to ride along side him as we went home together. My first sighting of a new R-27 was a Coney Island bound (QT) Brighton Local that had pulled into the Newkirk Ave. station. The cars were brand new, olive paint gleaming and shiny aluminum window drop sashes along with brightly lit green fluorescent destination signs. The newness of the paint smell wafted up to the overpass. Compare this scene with the bad old days of the 70's when these cars were silver/blue and covered with graffiti. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Oct 24 08:50:19 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Oct 23 22:30:59 2013. The R30 museum supply pair at 207 Street Yard, 8481 and 8522 - what's the deal with these? Are they also due for scrap or are they sticking around for a while?If these cars are supply cars for the museum fleet, then they must be storing valuable, irreplacable parts to get the old gals running. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Oct 24 09:17:26 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Oct 23 07:08:09 2013. That's the way the TA works. I'm sure there are dedicated staffers who will not have slept sleep well knowing these impossible to find parts whether working or not went out instead of being saved to restore other similar failing parts. Sometimes it takes the hiring of one incompetent individual who is given power that goes to his/her head and this is the result. I sincerely hope this jerk is happy with his/her job performance and one day when they desperately need to run another P.R. train like a MOD, Duke Ellington train or other special event the museum gets the power back to tell this idiot to phuck him/herself. I'm convinced it is one party and not a department that makes the choices. CED and RTO I'm sure don't regret providing the coverage, equipment and crew for these trains. Budgetary concerns, it is easier and cheaper to install another 2CY than it is to weld on new brackets, piping and wiring to accommodate another model with more man-hours, and if it is material sales incompetence, it wouldn't have taken long to find a scrap motor from their Westcode junk left after the R44s left to make the scrap guy happy. For years they threw away copper and steel in the regular garbage before they realized their own guys were cashing in on scrap like some of the ones they recently fired. It is either shop politics, incompetent management, or something was coincidently wrong with all three 2CY pumps, a reason I highly doubt. Unfortunately, it is a sign. Get used to it. 95% of the work force got things done like restoring 1300, getting motor power back to the Low-V and painting cars. But the one or two persons who either doesn't give a damn or are stupid enough to throw away decades of museum progress got new jobs. They would have been fired if they took a real civil service exam for trainmaster or motor instructor. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Thu Oct 24 14:14:17 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by MTA T on Wed Oct 23 23:01:47 2013. Hmmm...don't quote me, but I think both 5782 and 5871 are already part of the New York Transit Museum fleet. Just not restored yet. Some recent pictures of these two show that each have paper signs saying "do not scrap" on them. Like this one....http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?136306 |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Thu Oct 24 14:20:30 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Stef on Thu Oct 24 01:44:28 2013. You're welcome, Stef. A surreal experience indeed seeing these cars come right by me. Even more so when I saw these cars sitting on rails at Pitkin not eve a month ago. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Thu Oct 24 14:21:44 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by renee gil on Thu Oct 24 01:51:15 2013. They looked amazing as BMT Redbirds. Sad indeed. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Thu Oct 24 14:23:52 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Oct 23 06:56:16 2013. I'm wondering that myself; they specifically sent out the TOMC to tow these up to 207. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Oct 24 15:21:51 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Oct 24 09:17:26 2013. I've worked for a state agency (not MTA) as well for 20 years. I've seen succeeding generations of political hot shots come in, do some damage, and leave...it's amazing. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Oct 24 15:22:26 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by 3-9 on Wed Oct 23 12:28:55 2013. True... |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Thu Oct 24 16:09:21 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Thu Oct 24 14:14:17 2013. thanks for posting |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Oct 24 17:34:16 2013, in response to R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:18:57 2013. I'll always wax nostalgic about these cars heading up the RR and the QJ, and later the LL during my high school years (which I preferred over the R-16s). So long. :-( |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Oct 24 20:19:03 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Thu Oct 24 14:21:44 2013. i remember seeing the first rebuilt redbird R30 on the J line in September of 1985. i were surprised that those redbird R30's hadn't got tagged within a few days.the R29's were the next set of cars to received the redbird paint scheme. the redbird R29s made their debut on the 2 line on 10/21/1985. |
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Posted by BEDT26 on Thu Oct 24 20:40:57 2013, in response to R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:18:57 2013. Truly a sad sight, BTW where is Train Dude I'm surprised he hasn't commented on this topic. Thanks for sharing these nice pics Friday. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Thu Oct 24 21:31:42 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by BEDT26 on Thu Oct 24 20:40:57 2013. Thanks, man. Was a sad sight indeed. They had to go, nonetheless. |
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Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Thu Oct 24 23:11:14 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by MTA T on Wed Oct 23 03:38:03 2013. As for R-21 #7267, that car is in horrible condition, as it's missing both anti-climbers. R-17 #6895 is not much better. I photographed both of these cars over 11 years ago, and they are still sitting in the same place on 6 track at Concourse Yard.I'd like to see the former Fire School car/3 Ave. El car R-12 #5782 saved. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Thu Oct 24 23:48:12 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Thu Oct 24 14:14:17 2013. Also to add:5782    5871    Pictures by Wilfredo Castillo, John Dooley, Robert Mencher, and Nicholas Noel. |
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Posted by CJ on Fri Oct 25 00:24:56 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Thu Oct 24 23:48:12 2013. So the R12s survived long enough to receive the orange door treatment as well? I think some were painted white, but I have no confirmation of that. |
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Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Fri Oct 25 06:32:11 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by CJ on Fri Oct 25 00:24:56 2013. The carsthat were assigned to the 3rd Ave. El were:R-12 5753-5802 & R-14 5803-5806. Only 5804-5806 were reassigned to the #2 after the El closed on April 28, 1973. These cars were assigned to the El in 1969 when the Lo-V cars were retired. None of the cars assigned to the El had a PA system installed. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Oct 25 06:59:28 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by CJ on Fri Oct 25 00:24:56 2013. The orange doors came on in 1977 or 1978 (more likely '78), as I recall... |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Fri Oct 25 19:40:34 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Oct 24 08:47:28 2013. Thanx for your recollection, Bill. The days when all the destination signs lit up green. Great stuff.The graffiti days of the 70's; please, I just ate. :) jrc |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Oct 25 21:38:22 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by r17-6599 on Fri Oct 25 19:40:34 2013. I remember those green backlit side signs, too. Plus the dark blue, almost purple, interior door paint. I sat across one such set of doors on that double Ralph train all the way back to Manhattan on April 30, 1967. Left quite an impression, too. |
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Posted by BEDT26 on Sat Oct 26 01:16:41 2013, in response to R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Oct 22 20:18:57 2013. This is really heartbreaking every time I look at these pics. :( |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Sat Oct 26 02:35:00 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by BEDT26 on Sat Oct 26 01:16:41 2013. I know what you mean, my friend. I know what you mean. Sadly, they did had to go. Still a surreal experience to watch 'em go the way they did. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Oct 26 02:56:28 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Sat Oct 26 02:35:00 2013. I rode the first train of R-27s on the Brighton Lcl much the same way I rode the first train of R-26s on the Pelham Line and was surprised to see the QT route sign instead of a #1 which was the traditional designation for the Brighton Line. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat Oct 26 08:30:38 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by BEDT26 on Sat Oct 26 01:16:41 2013. Friday: For the record the first R-27's arrived on NYCTA property on 11/2/60 and the last one left on 10/22/13. Just short of their 54th Anniversary.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by 5119 on Sat Oct 26 18:51:37 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 26 02:56:28 2013. I first saw a train of R 27s/30s at the 59th street station. I was shocked to see the all side seating arrangement. Should've maintained the R 16 seating pattern which, by the way, had 23 square feet more floor area than the 27s/30s. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sat Oct 26 20:46:23 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Fri Oct 25 06:32:11 2013. I don't remember any R12-R14s having PA systems. Only the tens |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Sat Oct 26 22:00:13 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 26 02:56:28 2013. Never got to ride the R27s. Only the R30 Redbirds on the C line in the early 1990s. Decent ride from my recollection. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Sat Oct 26 22:06:43 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat Oct 26 08:30:38 2013. And these R27s retired just about 30 years later. A fairly short run. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Oct 26 22:13:42 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Sat Oct 26 22:00:13 2013. it was hard to tell the difference between those cars...only the car numbers told you what R unit you were in. |
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Posted by BEDT26 on Sat Oct 26 22:19:05 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Sat Oct 26 22:00:13 2013. I guess I'm lucky I can honestly say that I got to ride every NYCTA car class from the R-1 through R-68 the year was 1994 the last time. I haven't been to NYC since 1994but those new High Tech trains I don't care for. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Oct 26 22:20:11 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat Oct 26 08:30:38 2013. these cars were really worn out by the time the GOH program ramped up..out of 550 cars..only half of them,if that..were rebuilt for J service..and even then..they didnt stay long in the East. |
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Posted by David on Sat Oct 26 22:24:30 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Edwards! on Sat Oct 26 22:20:11 2013. It was 162 cars (GE R-30/R-30As 8250-8411).David |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Oct 27 08:58:53 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Edwards! on Sat Oct 26 22:13:42 2013. it was hard to tell the difference between those cars...only the car numbers told you what R unit you were in.The R-27, R-30 and R-30A were virtually identical. It was common place to refer to them collectively as the R-27 car group. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Oct 27 18:08:16 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 26 02:56:28 2013. "What's a QT?":) |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Oct 27 18:46:02 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Oct 27 18:08:16 2013. It was a train that ran on the Brighton Line went through the Montague Tunnel; thereore the T part and ran local via Broadway and then to either to 71 Av or Astoria. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Oct 27 19:12:27 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Oct 27 18:08:16 2013. its the today's version of the Q train. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Oct 27 19:28:48 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Edwards! on Sun Oct 27 19:12:27 2013. except that it is express an runs over the Bridge not the Tunnel. Actually the Q is more like the QB. |
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Posted by renee gil on Sun Oct 27 20:00:10 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by BEDT26 on Sat Oct 26 22:19:05 2013. thank you! I don't like the NTTs also. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 27 20:00:27 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sat Oct 26 20:46:23 2013. They got them late in life after an incident of some sort that made matters worse to not have PA. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Mon Oct 28 01:29:02 2013, in response to Re: R27 / R30 Farewell - History in the Making, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Oct 27 19:28:48 2013. That is true although the Q runs express in Manhattan it is local in Brooklyn. I would prefer that the route run the way it did pre-Chrystie (express in both Manhattan and Brooklyn on weekdays) when the B is running and let the B make the local stops instead. That was a nice ride (as was the N) when the R-32's were new in the mid 1960's. |
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