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Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 21 20:23:26 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by South FERRY on Mon Jan 21 18:19:34 2013. Wasn't 2nd Avenue supposed to be IND in the first place? Heh. |
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Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!! |
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Posted by J Trainloco on Mon Jan 21 20:49:15 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 21 08:09:10 2013. The F runs the same headway both directions. Trains are only laid up at the end of the rush hour. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jan 21 20:57:29 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by J Trainloco on Sat Jan 19 14:18:08 2013. My next door neighbor is an enviormental engineer for the MTA. He worked out of #2 Broadway. Any other questions? |
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Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!! |
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Posted by J Trainloco on Mon Jan 21 21:12:46 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jan 21 20:57:29 2013. That doesn't really qualify anyone to speak definitively on a subject like whether or not Schiavone is dirty or how waterproofing was done at South Ferry. Especially if your hook is from EED. |
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Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 22 04:46:18 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Stations (New and Old), posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 21 16:31:09 2013. I would not know that, but from what I remember reading, that station can platform full 10-car trains using the (since bricked up, but that could be undone) arched openings for the center doors. As long as it could be made ADA accessable, it may very be the easiest solution, especially if you can make it so the (1) can use the inner loop if necessary.At this point, it may be what the cheapest option is that is what gets rebuilt. |
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Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!! |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 22 04:50:31 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jan 21 18:39:43 2013. +1That's what I've been saying, and if I were Cuomo, I would order it reopened as quickly as possible and make it clear to anyone looking to file an ADA lawsuit that this was being done due to extraordinary circumstances. |
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Re: { VIDEO } - South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!! |
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Posted by South FERRY on Tue Jan 22 07:03:48 2013, in response to { VIDEO } - South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jan 18 12:26:45 2013. I soooo was not ready for my close-up.... |
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Re: { VIDEO } - South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!! |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 22 07:16:46 2013, in response to Re: { VIDEO } - South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by South FERRY on Tue Jan 22 07:03:48 2013. LOL, we'll come back later.your pal, Fred |
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Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Jan 22 08:59:37 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 22 04:46:18 2013. At this point the cheapest option is to keep both South Ferry stations closed to the public, to wait for federal money to fix up the stations and what was damaged, to not bother with shuttle buses or other efforts to "restore some service"The cheapest thing to do, at this point, is just to let folks coming to/from the ferries who NEED the #1 train to walk to and from the Rector Street station using the south-most end of the station. So any grand talk or fanatasy plans are simply out of the question - because all will cost money. The MTA IS doing the cheapest thing possible right now, on one level. Mike |
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Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 22 09:42:24 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station, posted by Michael549 on Tue Jan 22 08:59:37 2013. That they are:That said, I do think now that we know the old SF station won't re-open for possibly three years that some politicians, especially with the weather this week will soon start demanding the MTA re-open the old SF station quickly just so people don't have to walk from the Ferry to BG, Whitehall or Rector. The idea of re-opening old SF here is NOT a foamer situation, it's to make it so people at the Ferry Terminal don't have to walk to the other stations, especially Rector for those needing the (1) specifically. |
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Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 22 10:39:54 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 22 09:42:24 2013. The (1) train cannot use the inner loop.The Lexington can use the outer loop if it must. LION thinks they could speed up the repairs on the new station. LIONS think a lot, you know. Not always practical, but always thoughtful. LIONS South Ferry Station IS IN SERVICE!   |
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Posted by snarf368 on Tue Jan 22 16:35:17 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 22 10:39:54 2013. awesome model. it is to foam over! |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 22 16:48:28 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 22 09:42:24 2013. Walking from Whitehall to the Ferry terminal is not the worst thing in the world. |
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Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 22 17:03:38 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 22 10:39:54 2013. What would it take to add a switch from the outer to inner Loop before the station and back out after the station ? |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Jan 22 18:07:23 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station, posted by snarf368 on Tue Jan 22 16:35:17 2013. i am out of foam after see Broadway Lions South Ferry station.chud1 |
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Posted by Snarf368 on Tue Jan 22 18:11:51 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 22 17:03:38 2013. More trouble than it's worth. If anything there is a better chance of the outer loop being put back in service than the inner loop. The inner has been out of service since 1977 and would require a lot more work to be useable. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 22 18:57:04 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 22 16:48:28 2013. Agreed, but it doesn't mean people want to necessairly do it, especially late at night (and there are people like that). |
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Re: { VIDEO } - South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!! |
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Posted by South FERRY on Tue Jan 22 19:03:48 2013, in response to Re: { VIDEO } - South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Fred G on Tue Jan 22 07:16:46 2013. Fred G = teh W1N!! |
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Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jan 22 19:33:35 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by J Trainloco on Mon Jan 21 21:12:46 2013. Let me guess! The way you are blindly defending the MTA, you must be one of "Them"! By the way, Company Man, why wouldn't the water proofing possibility and type, if used, not be run past the EED? He told me what he had heard. If you have better info, let's all hear about it! By the way, there have been plenty of atricles about Schiavone Construction, going back to the Reagan Era's Raymond Donovan. They might even have a few in braille!!! |
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Posted by murray1575 on Tue Jan 22 20:08:35 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 22 10:39:54 2013. And it is authentic since it doesn't have any gap fillers! |
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Posted by jabrams on Tue Jan 22 22:28:07 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 22 18:57:04 2013. The MTA could set up a free shuttle bus from the ferry terminal to either Rector St. or the last stop on the IRT |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jan 23 10:29:42 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station, posted by murray1575 on Tue Jan 22 20:08:35 2013. That platform doesn't have gaps. It has CANYONS!ROAR |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Jan 23 11:08:48 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 22 17:03:38 2013. Impossible, since the switches go the other way. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 24 10:38:05 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Jan 23 11:08:48 2013. Make them go the other way ! Obviously there is room between pillars to have crossovers. |
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Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 25 23:30:15 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 22 04:50:31 2013. It is what it is. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 25 23:34:31 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jan 23 10:29:42 2013. Watchyerstep, watchyerstep, watchyerstep.Or as they say across the pond, mind the gap. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Jan 26 00:27:52 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station, posted by Joe V on Thu Jan 24 10:38:05 2013. It's not as easy as that, particularly as it requires taking both loops OOS for the work. Add to that the kind of path the cars would be taking, it'd be a derailment waiting to happen. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Jan 26 03:04:38 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry Inner Loop station, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Jan 26 00:27:52 2013. As much as some folks want to talk about using the inner loop at South Ferry for #1 trains, they have completely forgotten that the #5 train uses the inner loop fairly often fairly regularly for the past couple of decades to return uptown from/to the Bowling Green station.As detailed drawings of the South Ferry tunnels for the new but now flooded terminal show the inner loop track wall openings do not line up with the outer loop platforms or the switches - meaning that it's going to take some major work to switch trains between the tracks. Needless to say, but I will - there's no station opening for the public, but only a MTA staff exit to the street near Battery Park. At least the outer loop had a station opening/exit inside the new ferry terminal, and at one time - token booth, turn-styles, etc. The inner loop platforms have for a long time been turned over to MTA staff usage, with the wall openings bricked over decades ago. Any of this kind of stuff means spending money, whereas right now the MTA is doing the cheapest thing possible, with the last stop for the #1 at Rector Street. Mike |
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Posted by Snarf368 on Wed Jan 30 15:47:26 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 25 23:30:15 2013. http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2013/01/mta_urged_to_consider_re-openi.html |
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Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jan 30 16:26:02 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Snarf368 on Wed Jan 30 15:47:26 2013. Linked |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 30 16:58:19 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Snarf368 on Wed Jan 30 15:47:26 2013. I stand by what I said last week: restart the W train. Just have to find 5 trainsets. |
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Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jan 31 03:48:30 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station, posted by italianstallion on Wed Jan 30 16:26:02 2013. Wouldn't surprise me if the MTA is taken to court to try to force them to re-open old SF, even temporarily.Like I said before, I would NEVER have closed old SF in the first place. This would never have been an issue were it up to me. |
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Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!! |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Thu Jan 31 04:01:52 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 20 19:17:05 2013. It's serving one of the most densely-populated neighborhoods in the city. It's undersold. It's going to make the 1 train on the other side look tame. They'll probably need the N as well as the Q. |
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Re: Second Avenue Subway Phase 2 |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jan 31 04:54:22 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 20 19:21:33 2013. 125th Street should happen. Remember, a considerable portion of that tunnel was built in the 1970s.What could wind up happening there is the last part of Phase 2 is done as elevated coming out of a portal near the end of the existing tunnel portion (around 120th Street or so) with an elevated terminal at 125th Street/Lexington Avenue (since that would be cheaper) and provisions for two things: 1. An eventual extension all the way across 125th Street to 12th Avenue (which I think could happen anyway with Columbia University's massive expansion). 2. A future extension to the Bronx via a rebuild of the Bronx portion of the old 3rd Avenue El that itself could include provisions for a future rebuild of the Manhattan portion of that line. Any elevated portions would likely be built both for cutting WAY down on noise and to better withstand Sandy-like storms. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jan 31 04:57:24 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Grand concourse on Mon Jan 21 01:28:11 2013. As noted, 125th Street is likely, even if in my view the last part (after the existing portion) is done as elevated to save money (but with provisions for both going all the way across 125th Street and to the Bronx via a rebuild of the old Bronx 3rd Avenue El). |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jan 31 05:01:34 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 20 19:29:05 2013. Exactly!!The (Q) to (R) transfer at 14th (OR to a transfer to the (J) at Canal Street if at the front end of Canal Street going downtown) will I think be popular with people going to Wall Street. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Jan 31 11:13:18 2013, in response to Re: SAS Phase 2, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jan 31 04:57:24 2013. (1) No elevated subway line will ever again be built in New York City.(2) The Mets will win another World Series before the SAS is extended to 125th Street. |
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Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Jan 31 11:24:07 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jan 31 03:48:30 2013. The MTA with the building and opening of the new South Ferry terminal, defined the old South Ferry loop station as dangerous and obsolete, so it is going to be difficult for a court to order the MTA to re-open a dangerous station. If the gap fillers are not working or the signals are damaged then the MTA is not going to take the time or effort or money to repair them, let alone to restore the upper level turnstyles and electronic equipment. Much of the electronic equipment within the South Ferry station has been damaged.Mike |
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Re: SAS Phase 2 |
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Posted by Gene B. on Thu Jan 31 12:11:15 2013, in response to Re: SAS Phase 2, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Jan 31 11:13:18 2013. But will the Cubs have won a World Series by then? |
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Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station |
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Posted by zuckie13 on Thu Jan 31 12:36:44 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry-MTA urged to consider re-opening 'old' South Ferry subway station, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jan 31 03:48:30 2013. Wally,Like it or not, the idea of replacing a cramped, short loop station with a larger, full length modern station was the correct choice. It made sense for operations. It made sense for safety. It made sense for the majority of riders. While there may have been some poor engineering choices, the concept itself was the right choice. Please stop flogging this horse. |
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Re: Second Avenue Subway Phase 2 |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 31 14:22:04 2013, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway Phase 2, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jan 31 04:54:22 2013. As envisioned in the 1970s, the SAS in the Bronx was supposed to be connected to the Dyre Av Line near the original NYW&B terminal in Mott Haven. Unfortunately, although the city and later the MTA owned that entire ROW, portions of it S/O E180 have been demolished and would have to be rebuilt should by some miracle the SAS should ever find its way across the Harlem River. Additionally all,of the original SAS plans called for a takeover of the IRT Pelham Line by the SAS since it like the Jerome and Wh Pl Rd lines were built to dual contract standards and can accommodate IND/BMT sized cars by simply shaving back the station platforms as was done with the Astoria Line. Although it was not widely publicized, sometime in the 1970s, a modification was made that left the Pelham Line with the IRT and instead involved the takeover of the Wh Pl Rd Line as a branch of the SAS.. Needless to say that none of the Bronx plans for the SAS will ever come to fruition at least not in the lifetimes of most of us. Depending on the demographics, I tend to agree that the SAS as a panacea for relieving Lex Av overcrowding is highly overrated since the bulk of IRT east side passengers come from the Bronx so a SAS that doesn't address that issue will,probably be of less use than anticipated. |
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Re: SAS Phase 2 |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 31 14:24:10 2013, in response to Re: SAS Phase 2, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Jan 31 11:13:18 2013. Considering the repercussions from Hurricane Sandy that number 1 may not necessarily apply anymore. |
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Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!! |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 31 14:59:55 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 21 20:23:26 2013. Unfortunately, the way the 63 St line was designed, a SAS service via 6 Av would require trains to use the Xover S/O Lex Av station. I addition, what service would you remove from the upper west side to provide a 6 Av/2 Av service? |
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Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!! |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 31 15:02:05 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by grand concourse on Mon Jan 21 12:30:22 2013. I agree that the lcl tks should be connected to 63 St N/O 57/7 but the so called MTA planners did not see fit to do it. |
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Re: SAS Phase 2 |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Jan 31 16:32:04 2013, in response to Re: SAS Phase 2, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Jan 31 11:13:18 2013. An elevated subway line was built along the Van Wyck Expressway. |
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Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!! |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Jan 31 16:32:06 2013, in response to Re: South Ferry (1) Train Station Fix Could Take Up To 3 YEARS!!!, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 21 11:59:10 2013. Ronan and the MTA didn't take over the NYCTA until 1968, several months after Chrystie St. opened. Other than that, you are right about the R. |
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Re: SAS Phase 2 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 31 16:56:03 2013, in response to Re: SAS Phase 2, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Jan 31 11:13:18 2013. hmm..i tend to disagree with you since Airtrain looms over the Van Wyck. |
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Re: SAS Phase 2 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 31 16:59:01 2013, in response to Re: SAS Phase 2, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Jan 31 11:13:18 2013. hmm..i tend to disagree with you since Airtrain looms over the Van Wyck..and the fact that a elevated line wont suffer the same effects a underground line would in heavy storms like Sandy. |
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Re: Second Avenue Subway Phase 2 |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Thu Jan 31 17:09:32 2013, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway Phase 2, posted by randyo on Thu Jan 31 14:22:04 2013. +1 |
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Re: SAS Phase 2 |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 31 18:05:12 2013, in response to Re: SAS Phase 2, posted by WillD on Thu Jan 31 16:32:04 2013. Yep - but he is right if you limit his assertion to Manhattan. |
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