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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 19 20:32:46 2012, in response to Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by xtimx on Thu Apr 19 20:02:16 2012. Yes. 95th Street, possibly 95th Street Frt Hmltn as well or something similar on the south side sign. |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Apr 19 22:12:32 2012, in response to Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by xtimx on Thu Apr 19 20:02:16 2012. The 1970-issue R32 Technicolor sign had the following:A (dk blue) AA (magenta) B (black) CC (green) D (orange) E (lt blue) EE (orange) F (magenta) GG (green) HH (red) JJ (orange) KK (dk blue) LL (black) M (lt blue) MM (green) N (gold) QB (red) QJ (black) RR (green) S (white) SS (green) TT (dk blue) -wayne- |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by xtimx on Thu Apr 19 22:13:45 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Apr 19 22:12:32 2012. Thank you sir. |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Thu Apr 19 23:48:49 2012, in response to Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by xtimx on Thu Apr 19 20:02:16 2012. R32s were rarely, if ever, on the RR in pre-Chrystie days. The R32s were used on express routes (M, N, Q, T), except for the TT and once I saw one on the QT. Given my recollection from R27/30s, I suspect that the original southbound front destination sign would have been:95th ST 4TH AVE |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by xtimx on Fri Apr 20 00:12:33 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Thu Apr 19 23:48:49 2012. I was wondering if they ever saw RR service. What did the RR use back then? |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Fri Apr 20 10:11:00 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by xtimx on Fri Apr 20 00:12:33 2012. R27/30s exclusively in the era immediately prior to Chrystie. |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by sloth on Fri Apr 20 11:20:05 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by xtimx on Fri Apr 20 00:12:33 2012. they were all over the RR in the early 1980's. about 50% R27/30, and the rest was R32 with a few R42 trains thrown in. |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Apr 20 11:24:04 2012, in response to Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by xtimx on Thu Apr 19 20:02:16 2012. If you had searched the photo archive at nycsubway.org, you would have found these:         |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 20 13:56:56 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Apr 20 11:24:04 2012. The R32's were quite common on the RR in the 70's and 80's, as was everything else not an R38 or an R10. |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by xtimx on Fri Apr 20 14:13:37 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Apr 20 11:24:04 2012. I did search it. Thanks for the shitty attitude, we need more Terrapin Stations on here! |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 20 14:19:13 2012, in response to Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by xtimx on Thu Apr 19 20:02:16 2012. This is the oldest one I could find: System: New York City Transit Location: DeKalb Avenue Route: RR Car: R-32 (Budd, 1964) 3912 Photo by: Doug Grotjahn Collection of: Joe Testagrose Date: 10/8/1968 |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 20 14:49:23 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 19 20:32:46 2012. They had the same readings as the R-27/30s: "95th St 4th Avenue." They also had "RR Broadway" on the original end signs and when the destination signs were replaced by the color coded signs the had a white RR on a green background inside a white circle like the R-42 roll signs did. |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by HANDBRAKE on Fri Apr 20 16:29:41 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Thu Apr 19 23:48:49 2012. R32's were in service on the QB during the weekend of the Christie Street cut (Thanksgiving Weekend 1968). On Sunday Midnight of the cut going into service all R32's running with QB designations were re-flagged at Stillwell terminal to display "D 6th Avenue Express."The first F headed to Stillwell Coney Island was an R38, as the last F from 34th/6th Avenue was charged up and about to depart for 179th Street Jamaica. Confusion reigned supreme the night of the 1968 cut over, especially at DeKalb when R1's rolled in with D line designations, and as NYCTA crews were installing new (First time use) overhead platform subway line designation boards. |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Apr 20 17:12:55 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by xtimx on Fri Apr 20 14:13:37 2012. I don't think he meant it the way you took it. |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Fri Apr 20 17:21:35 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 20 14:19:13 2012. Nice! |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 20 17:25:24 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Thu Apr 19 23:48:49 2012. In pre-Chrystie days, the R27/30/30A covered the QT/RR. Don't know about the QB, a weekend sub for the Q & QT, but do remember them there as well.They also covered some rush hour Q, N, T, & TT's as there were insufficient R32's. The TT-deadheads being the only way onto the Eastern Division to ENY until Nov, 1967. |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 20 17:26:17 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by HANDBRAKE on Fri Apr 20 16:29:41 2012. That would be 1967. |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 20 17:49:56 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 20 17:26:17 2012. Correct. Not only that but the QB did not run that weekend due to the Manny B cutover and Brighton Locals ran as QTs and they like the Sea Beach and Saturday West End expresses ran through the tunnel. I worked Astoria tower that Thursday and Friday and the following Monday, City Hall tower on Saturday and Creek Tower on Sunday helping to drill R-9s arriving off the Culver D, relay into Stillwell Yd and back up the Brighton Line to blend with the R-32s. I'm trying to recall if the cutover did not start actually after the end of the PM rush on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving or not but in either case, the Brighton Lcl's R-27/30s were swapped with the Brighton Exp's R-32s after Wednesday's PM rush so that all Brighton trains arriving Stl that Sunday morning would be R-32s ready for D service. There had been s few R-32s on the Culver D about a week or so prior to Chrystie so that they could be in place in Concourse Yd for the start of the Monday AM rush. Any R=32s that came off the Culver that Sunday morning were also relayed through Stl Yd and back to the Brighton Line. At that time, BMT Southern service was only 8 cars and the weekend D service would also be 8 cars even after Chrystie so by the time I left the Creek that Sunday morning, all the Brighton D service was solid 8 car trains of R-32s. Of course 2 car butts would have to be added to the 8 car trains Monday morning to make up the full 10 car trains required for rush hour D service. |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 20 18:23:51 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 20 17:25:24 2012. QB BROADWAY LOCAL trains operated evenings/weekends and overnights via the Manny B,replacing both Q and QT. |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by xtimx on Fri Apr 20 19:00:01 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 20 14:19:13 2012. Awesome pic. Thanks. I love the blue doors and the old TA logo. God that dot matrix garbage they use now sucks. |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 20 19:19:54 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 20 17:49:56 2012. That was quite something.How did they blend the R27's onto the QJ ? I assume they rolled off QT, and became QJ's Monday morning , and R16's were simply routed to BB ? I was watching this from my apartment window in Woodhaven. After sundown on Sunday, the in service 15 or JJ (whatever they were signed that day) had become NINE (9) car R16's. Do you have any idea why ? |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 20 19:20:52 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by xtimx on Fri Apr 20 19:00:01 2012. The R32's are a lot cleaner now that they were in the 1970's. |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by gbs on Fri Apr 20 20:35:41 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 20 14:49:23 2012. I think the R32s introduced the simplified "Broadway Local" and "Broadway Express" side scrolls, instead of the more informative "Broadway-4th Av Local" or "Broadway-Sea Beach Express" of the R27/30s.I recall thinking that visitors would find it confusing that both the #1 and R trains were both just "Broadway Locals". |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by xtimx on Fri Apr 20 20:43:06 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 20 19:20:52 2012. Completely agree. I just liked the look (under all the grime) a lot more back then. |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 20 20:57:13 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by sloth on Fri Apr 20 11:20:05 2012. What car types were used on the old "EE" Broadway line? I seem to remember just R-1/9's. |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 20 21:15:36 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 20 20:57:13 2012. What car types were used on the old "EE" Broadway line? I seem to remember just R-1/9's.EE Queens – Broadway Local The Orphans of Chrystie Street : Part 3 First Day of Operation: Monday, November 27, 1967 Last Day of Operation: Friday, August 27, 1976 Hours of Operation: Monday through Friday Approx. 6 AM to 8 PM Terminals: 71st-Continental Avenues, Forest Hills, Queens Canal Street (Broadway), Manhattan (Rush Hour Short Turns) Whitehall Street – South Ferry, Manhattan Route: IND Queens Line between Forest Hills and Queens Plaza, Queens 11th Street Connection and 60th Street Tunnel crossing the East River BMT Broadway Line between Lexington Avenue and Whitehall Street, Manhattan Length of Trip : Forest Hills – Whitehall Street : 13.64 Miles ; 48 Minutes Forest Hills – Canal Street : 12.24 Miles ; 42 Minutes Marker Lights: Green – Yellow Map Color : Orange Of all the new subway routes spawned by the opening of the Chrystie Street Subway in November, 1967 the “EE” didn’t garner much of the media attention that was focused on some of the other new routes but is was a solid and dependable service throughout it’s nine year run. It was not the first subway route to use the letters “EE” and it was not the first to operate through the 11th Street Connection between the BMT and IND in Queens and yet it became so strongly identified with that line that it is still remembered after over thirty years. History: A roll sign reading for “EE 8th Avenue Local” appeared on the roll-signs of the R-1’s when they were delivered in 1931. It was one of the eight original local routes provided in the initial planning of the IND. It was to be a local service connecting the Queens Boulevard Line in Queens with the 8th Avenue Line in Manhattan via the 53rd Street Tunnel. This first “EE” began operation on April 24, 1937 running between 169 Street, Queens and Church Avenue, Brooklyn via the 53rd Street Tunnel and the Rutgers Street Tunnel during non-rush hours. During the rush hours “E” trains would run between over the same route but would operate express in Queens while “GG” trains provided Queens Boulevard local service. Two months later on July 1, 1937 with the completion of the Crosstown Line the “E” was made a full time service and the “EE” joined the “AA” in temporary retirement. The proposed route the new “EE” would not have been possible prior to 1955. On December 1 of that year the 11th Street (Queens) Connection was opened between the local tracks of the IND Queens Boulevard Line just south of Queens Plaza Station and the BMT 60th Street Tunnel. The connection on the BMT end was made just inside the portal on the Queens side of the East River. This two track connection was signaled “GD1” for the Manhattan-bound track and “GD2” for the Queens-bound track. Initially service over this line was provided by the BMT’s Rt. 1 Brighton Line until 1961. On January 1, 1961 BMT Rt. 2 Fourth Avenue Local took over the service. With the delivery of the R-27 cars in 1960 these trains could also be identified as “RR Broadway-4th Avenue Local.” Service over the 11th Street connection was provided weekdays only from about 6 AM to 7 PM. The opening of the Chrystie Street Line would result in the functional merging of the BMT and IND divisions into a single entity to be known as “Division B.” Virtually every route of the BMT and IND would be changed, discontinued, re-routed or re-designated. There would also be several new routes, including the subject of this chapter, the “EE.” The main Brighton Local service, (QB/QT) which had previously run to Astoria was to be re-routed up the Nassau Street Line and the Williamsburg Bridge to Jamaica. The Fourth Avenue Local which had run to Forest Hills on weekdays from 6AM to 7PM and to 57th Street – 7th Avenue at all other times would now be extended to Astoria. A new service was now needed to run between Forest Hills and Whitehall Street . This new service would be designated “EE” and be called identified as the Broadway Local or Queens-Broadway Local. An early proposal was to call the new service “QM” for “Queens-Manhattan.” A fleet of 176 R-1/9’s was assigned to the “EE” which needed a maximum of 22 eight cars trains during the rush hours. Most of the R-1/9’s came from the 1100-1399 group and had the proper route signs which would read “EE Via Broadway” others however did not and which decals with black letters reading “VIA BWAY” were pasted over the roll sign readings. The “VIA” and the “BWAY” were printed on top of each other in full size letters so it was impossible to fit the complete reading into the roll sign box. Some R-1/9’s simply carried the original “EE 8th Avenue Local” readings. As time went on other car classes showed up on the “EE” the R-38’s and R-40’s were there used on and off in 1969. The March 1970 car assignment called for 106 R-1/9s and 104 R-16’s though by October 1970 this was pared back to 88 R-1/9’s and 88 R-16’s. The R-1/9s’ were ordered off the “EE” by November 13, 1970 with the R-16’s assuming most of the service supplemented by R-38’s and R-40M’s. In the middle 1970’s the subway system was in a state of virtual collapse. Derailments and fires occurred on a nearly weekly basis while virtually every surface on the subway system; including tunnels, stations and cars were covered with graffiti. Punks and hoodlums roamed the subway system and made it unsafe to ride outside of the peak hours. Riders deserted the subway in droves for the new express buses or if they did ride they did so only during the rush hours. Money for repairs was in short supply as well so the Transit Authority decided on severe service cutbacks that included the complete elimination of the “EE” and the “KK.” The last day of operation was set for Friday, August 27,1976. The last northbound train, left from Whitehall Street at the end of the PM rush with the following consist: 6432,6441,6416,6491,6398,6430,6419,6482. The last southbound “EE” arrived at Canal Street at 8:20PM and had R-38’s 4031-0,4087-6,4066-7,4050-1. The “EE” replacement was a few rush hour only “N” trains running southbound from Forest Hills in the AM and northbound from Whitehall Street in the PM. Larry, RedbirdR33 Note: This information was drawn from several sources the most important of which have been various editions of “The Bulletin” of the New York Division of the Electric Railroaders Association and the rail fans who contributed to it. |
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PHOTOS : Pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Apr 20 21:24:43 2012, in response to Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by xtimx on Thu Apr 19 20:02:16 2012. All photos courtesy of NYCSubway.org          Hope these are useful!! :-) |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Apr 20 22:46:55 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by xtimx on Fri Apr 20 20:43:06 2012. I also liked the R-32s with the blue doors. In fact, my nickname for them when I was a kid (long before I knew about R-numbers) was Silver Blue :) |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Apr 20 22:57:48 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 20 17:25:24 2012. The times I rode the QB pre-Chrystie, even on weekends, R-27/30s were used. I'm sure R-32s appeared at times. Post-Chrystie, I rode the QB exactly once, in August 1976, shortly before I moved to L. A., as a kind of goodbye, I did a "ride every line at least once" railfan trip (I didn't do shuttles). It was tricky, because at that time, there were 3 rush-hour only routes: The CC, the soon-to-be-eliminated K and the QB. I started at like 7:30 AM, got the K and the QB out of the way fairly quickly, but it was getting on 9 AM and I hadn't gotten the CC yet, and I knew the rush hour would be ending soon. I was on the CPW dash on either an A or a D, and was relieved to pass a CC at around 116th St. Rather than taking a chance on misconnecting at 125th, I stayed on the express until 145th (since by passing 135th, we would get further ahead) then made the change (as I recall, I had to go downstairs to get the CC, so I guess I was on the A). Rode the CC to Yankee Stadium, then changed to the 4, I remember seeing the Stadium from the 4 platform, believe it or not, that was the closest I've ever been to either Yankee Stadium in my life! (not much of a Yankee fan) :)When/if I ever get back to NYC, I will do a modern ride 'em all trip. This time I will do the shuttles, don't really have to worry about rush hours only (I consider the Z the same as the J, and I don't count the < 4 >, < 5 >, < 6 > and < 7 > as separate routes. Also, unlike 1976, I will ride each line only once. In 1976, I stayed in the system for the entire ride (found a fairly decent bathroom inside fare control at Herald Square, IIRC, and got something to eat at one of the stations (maybe also Herald Square). For the modern ride, I will leave the system at Coney Island for a lunch break at Nathans :) Upon resuming the ride, I will catch the D to pass by my alma mater, John Dewey HS (I will time it before school gets out lol) |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by zac on Sat Apr 21 05:21:13 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by gbs on Fri Apr 20 20:35:41 2012. That's why they put up the "Know Trains at a Glance" signs. Nobody knew what the letters meant as the old BMT stock either didn't have numbers or letters, or had the old BMT numbers only. |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Apr 21 05:21:52 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 20 21:15:36 2012. And these are problems the MTA is STILL playing catchup from some 35+ years later that led to the elimination of the EE (which did later come back as the (W), though going to Astoria since the (R) now runs the old (EE) route). |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 21 07:48:19 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by xtimx on Fri Apr 20 14:13:37 2012. I don't think he had a shitty attitude.You asked a question, he provided the answer. There are lots of questions asked here that can be easily researched/answered on nycsubway.org I think your attitude is shitty because you failed to thank him for answering your question. Perhaps my attitude is shitty because I am sticking up for R36? |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 21 07:50:09 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 20 19:20:52 2012. They may be cleaner.................but they are uglier! |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 21 07:52:07 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 20 13:56:56 2012. The same with the M. We had everything on it in the 80's, but I never saw an R10, and only rarely saw R38's there. |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 21 08:09:44 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 21 07:52:07 2012. I don't remember R40 slants there, until after they were GOH'ed. |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by zac on Sat Apr 21 08:52:52 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 21 07:50:09 2012. But they are also still running! |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 21 12:08:28 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by zac on Sat Apr 21 08:52:52 2012. Barely running with plenty of problems. Very low MDBF and none of them run around the clock like the equipment on other lines.Last winter, admittedly a harsh one but no excuse because the C is 100% underground and unless a trainset had to go to the yard because of a barn request, overnight lay-ups were underground even in Plan 1. Plus I was at 168 St. last winter. I haven't experienced so many problems with equipment since before GOH: shop the train upon arrival, stuck brakes on relay, trains won't charge in the station, train won't take power, door problems, smoke coming from under the seat due to defective floor heat. There are too many folks on this board who are in love with these cars only because they are old and have a RFW. From what I can see, the current SMS is a bare bones renewal of a few components. |
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Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front? |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Apr 21 13:23:42 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 21 07:50:09 2012. Agreed...100%. Once they got the R32s cleaned up before being shipped out for GOH (late 80s), they looked good, though still not as good as they did when they were new.Like this: 
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Apr 21 13:28:20 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by xtimx on Fri Apr 20 19:00:01 2012. Agreed. I really liked the blue doors, the front roll signs and the old TA logo too. You can't see the tiny flipdot display until the train gets close up. I guess that's not a huge problem now that the R32s are running only on the C line, but when they ran on the E, F and R, it sure was an issue. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 21 14:47:58 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 21 12:08:28 2012. Maybe if the R32's were treated with a bit more respect, instead of a car with one truck in the grave, they wouldn't run like shit. And they can't be any worse than the remaining R42's. One rolled by last night on the Z line and the earshattering din was deafening. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Apr 21 15:10:45 2012, in response to PHOTOS : Pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Apr 20 21:24:43 2012. WTC on the right. I'd make a comment about the photo needing to be photoshopped and such... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 21 16:05:40 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 21 12:08:28 2012. There are too many folks on this board who are in love with these cars only because they are old and have a RFWThey might be forgotten about if RFWs were included on new trains; who knows. Aside from that, about a third of the R32 fleet almost reaching the age of 50 is a milestone, and of course they're the last NYCTA cars in service from the pre-MTA-merger era. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 21 16:08:04 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by zac on Sat Apr 21 05:21:13 2012. When I was working as a platform C/R at 34/Bway in 1966, I heard a boo ing voice form down the platform yelling "What the hell train is this." I observed a male passenger running from car to car checking the route signs. I explained to him about the new train designations and he responded that it was the stupidest thing he ever heard of and he was right. The reason that the cesspool of incompetence that has passed for NYCTA planning almost since the inception of the agency gave for eliminating the individual route descriptions was that neither the IND nor IRT had them. It never occurred to the dummies that the BMT was unique in that it was the only division that had trains going to a common destination by different Brooklyn routes. In fact the BMT was unique in that most of its Southern Division services used a single Manhattan route, the Bway subway and only the West end Lcls and some rush hour bankers' specials used Nassau St. The only sensible route sign the TA came up with was "TT/West End Lcl." since that service used Nassau St for most of the time with a shuttle service at nights and Sundays. The miserable excuses for TA planners didn't seem to think of providing a route description for either the 4 Av or Brighton bankers' specials which operated into Nassau St. Even if the TA wanted to use IND style letters for the BMT route, intelligent planners would have used only the individual Bkln route names on the route signs and provided a single letter "R" for the 4 Av bankers' specials. The TA's answer to the bankers' specials was to use the "M/ Nassau St Exp" signs which were actually intended for eventual use on the Myrtle/Chambers service. It would have made more sense, which the TA planners obviously didn't have, to forget about the description "Nassau St" for the Eastern Division services and use the traditional designations of "Myrtle Av" for the M, "Bway Bkln" for the KK and "Jamaica" for the J and JJ. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 21 16:13:35 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by randyo on Sat Apr 21 16:08:04 2012. The current side route signs on the R-32s include Brighton, Sea Beach, West End and Culver designations where appropriate, although IIRC they still have the B associated with the West End and the D with the Brighton. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 21 16:13:53 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 20 21:15:36 2012. I never saw any of the R-9s with "Via Bway" decals. I remember new "EE/Via Bway" signs and later on some signs that read "EE Local" with the description "8 Ave" merely painted out. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 21 16:14:40 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by zac on Sat Apr 21 05:21:13 2012. I remember seeing such a sign at Whitehall Street in June of 1967 and have since acquired one of them. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 21 16:17:57 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Apr 19 22:12:32 2012. The R-16s had those same curtains, as did some R-27/30s. I remember when they first started to appear. Ironically by then, the double Curly marking was no longer in use. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 21 16:22:35 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 21 16:13:35 2012. True. Some of the newer planners obviously showed a bit of intelligence, however, they went a little too far. Routes that were traditionally IND should have reverted to the old designations of the letter combined with the trunk line over which they would operate. BMT lines that received IND style letters should have carried only the letter combined with the Bkln branch line over which they would operate. Having a route sign with a north branch line, trunk line, and south branch line on the same sign severely limits the flexibility of the fleet and in some cases requires the installation of multiple signs for each route for all the possible variations of the route. Certain routes in recent years have been changed away from their traditional letter designations which in my not so humble opinion should be in stone reenforced with concrete and rebar and changeable only upon Divine intervention!!!! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 21 16:25:10 2012, in response to Re: Does anyone have any pictures of pre-GOH R32's with RR displayed in front?, posted by randyo on Sat Apr 21 16:13:53 2012. IIRC the front route curtains on the R-1/9s had the 8th Ave. subscript covered over. Didn't they also have the 6th Ave. subscript covered over on the B sign?I never rode on an EE or, for that matter, a KK. I do remember seeing a KK once along 6th Ave. |
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